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Petition against surface dressing gets 10,000+ signatures

Quick and cheap road repairs branded "dangerous" for two-wheelers...

A petition calling for the banning of surface dressing — the technique of resurfacing a worn road by spreading a layer of tar and stone chips on it — has reached over 10,000 signatures on the Government's e-petitions website.

The petition, created by Christopher Caswell, claims that surface dressing leaves roads with "loose chipping for months".

Caswell writes: "Any that are not stuck down can cause a hazard to any road user. This is fastest and cheapest however due to the chipping it is definitely the most dangerous surface for any and all two wheeled vehicles."

While the vehicle damage that concerns drivers and motorcyclists is less of a problem for cyclists, the tendency of recently surface-dressed roads to accumulate piles of stone chippings near the road edge makes the method a potential hazard for cyclists too.

Motorcycle News has got behind the petition with a post on its Facebook page (see below) getting almost 400,000 Likes and over 2,000 shares.

But posters to that page identifying themselves as highways engineers say that, done properly, surface dressing works well in inexpensively and quickly bringing roads back up to standard without the lengthy road closures required for full resurfacing.

Ian Castle wrote: "If done properly surface dressing is very effective, cheap and offers minimal disruption. Modern techniques do rely on cars passing over it slowly to rack in the excess stone, but frequent sweeping and short term speed restrictions control the risk.

"If the restrictions are ignored then accidents and damage do occur. Given a week or so of proper application and after care, less than the equivalent of closing the road for reconstruction, you have a better, cheaper and less disruptive solution."

Sean Foster added: "I'm a highways engineer in Derbyshire and a lot of the back roads are little more than decades of surface dressing laid on top of each other. The fact is they perform well, drain well and as long as a dressing is swept properly after a new 'layer' has been laid there is nothing to worry about."

However, another engineer, Andy Hardiman, wrote that he won't use surface dressing as he believes relying on 10mph speed limits and proper implementation by contractors is not enough to ensure safety.

Hardiman wrote: "I cannot advocate the use of this method due to the fact that you know as a designer idiots will speed on it and can kill themselves on it… The fact that the contractors very rarely sweep the road in regular enough or in time to stop build up of gravel in dangerous layers affecting motorcycles and cars [and] the fact that we as designers dismiss our responsibility by putting in unenforced speed limits or advisory signs to simply wash our hands of designer's responsibility under CDM [Construction Design and Management] regs does not cut it for me and I for one will never sign one of these jobs off again."

Chris Peck, policy coordinator with the CTC, said that resurfacing is a better solution, where possible. However, reliance on surface dressing is all part of a pattern of reduced road maintenance over the last few decades. Even surface dressing is used only half as much as it was 20 years ago, he said.

Peck told road.cc: "I agree that poor workmanship may be part of the problem here.

"If applied poorly onto an already deformed or damaged surface, surface dressing can make cycling conditions worse, as it will result in small deviations in the surface texture and increases in vibration.

"Loose chippings must be swept up soon after surface dressings have been applied as these can cause a hazard to cyclists. The standard approach is to make at least two sweeps, but anecdotal evidence suggests that this is often not performed correctly."

"Well laid, in good conditions, on smooth roads, surface dressing can preserve a deteriorating surface for longer, extending the life of the road and preventing pothole formation."

In a blog post today explaining the decline in maintenance of the roads in the last couple of decades, Peck wrote: "CTC would much prefer roads to be fully resurfaced, but, as this costs almost 9 times as much as dressing, it is understandable that local authorities, with tight budgets, resort to this method to waterproof the roads and improve skid resistance.

"I agree that surface dressing is awful, but if it prevents potholes forming (which it will only do if laid correctly), then it's probably worth doing, for both safety and fiscal reasons, even if ride quality suffers."

As you can see from this Facebook discussion, motorcyclists are generally strongly against the use of surface dressing. Should cyclists get behind this petition too?

 

 

John has been writing about bikes and cycling for over 30 years since discovering that people were mug enough to pay him for it rather than expecting him to do an honest day's work.

He was heavily involved in the mountain bike boom of the late 1980s as a racer, team manager and race promoter, and that led to writing for Mountain Biking UK magazine shortly after its inception. He got the gig by phoning up the editor and telling him the magazine was rubbish and he could do better. Rather than telling him to get lost, MBUK editor Tym Manley called John’s bluff and the rest is history.

Since then he has worked on MTB Pro magazine and was editor of Maximum Mountain Bike and Australian Mountain Bike magazines, before switching to the web in 2000 to work for CyclingNews.com. Along with road.cc founder Tony Farrelly, John was on the launch team for BikeRadar.com and subsequently became editor in chief of Future Publishing’s group of cycling magazines and websites, including Cycling Plus, MBUK, What Mountain Bike and Procycling.

John has also written for Cyclist magazine, edited the BikeMagic website and was founding editor of TotalWomensCycling.com before handing over to someone far more representative of the site's main audience.

He joined road.cc in 2013. He lives in Cambridge where the lack of hills is more than made up for by the headwinds.

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Chuffy replied to Binky | 10 years ago
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Binky wrote:

Is someone getting a bung so councils use this method instead of doing a proper job!

This is a more expensive method, for a bad job that can not handle the weather in England.

A bung? You'll be reporting this to the police, of course. Or are you just spouting rubbish from the Mail's big book of council-bashing lies?
The truth of the matter is that this is a cost-effective method of road maintenance. Council highway budgets have been underfunded for years and frankly the petition is little more than a tantrum thrown by a toddler who wants more sweets.

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Binky replied to Chuffy | 10 years ago
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@ Chuffy

Good grief! (sighs shakes head)

If a shortcut costs more than doing the job correctly there is no point in doing the shortcut

I'll leave you and your Daily Mail fetish to think about it  35

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rggfddne | 10 years ago
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This has been circulating on pistonheads (car forum, with an active motorcycling and cycling section as well)...

similar case of people being mostly for, except for one "highway engineer" with a remarkable ability to blame everyone but himself for everything... seems to run in the culture there.

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Some Fella | 10 years ago
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I could post pictures of countless examples in the lanes of Cheshire where i ride where it has failed after one year. In Gatley it failed in less than 6 months and had to be redone (im sure it will start failing again after this winter).
Its a false economy apart from all the safety issues it presents to cyclists (and motorcyclists) and its also not true that it doesnt damage your vehicle - i was cleaning tar that had splattered up off my bike for weeks after going over a newly dressed road last year.

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Kapelmuur replied to Some Fella | 10 years ago
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Some Fella wrote:

I could post pictures of countless examples in the lanes of Cheshire where i ride where it has failed after one year. In Gatley it failed in less than 6 months and had to be redone (im sure it will start failing again after this winter).
Its a false economy apart from all the safety issues it presents to cyclists (and motorcyclists) and its also not true that it doesnt damage your vehicle - i was cleaning tar that had splattered up off my bike for weeks after going over a newly dressed road last year.

We must ride the same lanes, even on lightly trafficked roads the surface wears away in less than 12 months.

I've seen no evidence of the roads being swept and the notion that traffic will adhere to a 20 mph limit is hilarious.

It seems to me that Councils think they must be seen to be doing something, even if it is ineffective.

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turboprannet | 10 years ago
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This is happening in Bristol now. Not even council vans adhere to the 20mph max and it's just amazing that they still use this. Put up a temporary speed camera or something, it's the only way people will do what's best for them on a hazardous surface. I'm amazed they haven't on the Portway given a man died speeding on the loose chippings last year.

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dodgy | 10 years ago
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" If your going to do a job you may as well do it properly! "

Quite.

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Gashead | 10 years ago
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A couple of weeks ago when I couldn't drive having fallen off my Brompton and broken my wrist I walked my dog to the local heath. Foolishly not wearing socks I got the mother of all blisters on my heel and had to walk back barefoot. It was extremely painful walking two miles back along pavements covered in gravel from the recent road resurfacing and I don't think the dog reckoned much to it either.

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Leodis | 10 years ago
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Leeds is going through this now, they don't fill pot holes at all and what you are left with is a gravel mess with potholes, great for car tyre grip in winter useless for anyone else.

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Airzound | 10 years ago
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Same old story - use a substandard alternative to cut costs instead of doing a job properly which costs a lot more. Probably doesn't cost that more as a proper newly laid road will last a lot longer than a crappy worn out one that has been surface dressed. The loose stones are really dangerous for cyclists and presumably even more so for motor cyclists. I have been hit by flying stones thrown up by passing cars as they speed by and I had to replace two car windscreens as well due to loose stones thrown up by inconsiderate t**ts who don't adhere to the reduced speed limits shortly after the stones chips have been laid. Also numerous chips on car paintwork. This cheap dressing alternative should be banned.

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SteppenHerring | 10 years ago
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I particularly like it when they do this without filling the potholes first. You're riding along and suddenly you're on 2" deep gravel.

I seem to recall they did it on the lower part of Coldharbour Lane coming down from Leith Hill. Not dangerous at all ...

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