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Three Peaks cyclists angry after train "fiasco"

Nottingham cyclist who experienced similar incident complains about having to buy a ticket with no guarantee that he will be allowed on board

A group of cyclists kicked off a train at Settle station this weekend have called for common sense application of the rules relating to the number of bikes permitted on trains. The Craven Herald reports that around a dozen cyclists who wanted to travel with their bikes for the start of the Three Peaks Cyclo-Cross were ushered off a train by a guard who cited health and safety concerns.

One of the group, Kevin Harrison, said that they had only wanted to travel one stop down the line.

"There were about 30 people getting on the train in an orderly and considerate fashion when the guard started running up and down the train ordering the cyclists to get off. We then had the ludicrous situation where the guard is getting cyclists off at one end of the carriages, while other cyclists are getting on at the other. It was chaotic and farcical.

"Then she was scuttling down the other end and the same thing was happening. She was saying it was for health and safety reasons, though it is difficult to see what those could have been.”

Northern Rail was named Operator of the Year at the 2014 National Cycle Rail Awards for its role in the Tour de France Grand Départ. However, Harrison said the experience gave a very negative impression and that the line needed to cater for all passengers.

A spokeswoman said that Northern Rail trains were able to accommodate two bikes and that space was allocated on a first come, first served basis. Harrison, however, said that there was a lack of common sense in the application of the rules.

The same complaint has been made by a Nottingham cyclist who suffered a similar incident on his way to work last week.  Roger Whiting was told the CrossCountry train he was trying to board could take no more than three bikes, but Whiting told the Nottingham Post that as the carriage was half-empty, there had been no need for the conductor to stick so strictly to the rules.

"The conductor said, 'No, I have already got two bikes on board and I can only have three.' There was a young lady with a bike as well so I let her on instead. I then find out the next train would only allow two bikes so, knowing I might be unlucky again, I got on my bike and cycled.”

Whiting points out that he had to buy a ticket in advance with no certainty that he would be allowed on the train. "You have to buy a ticket before you board the train anyway – then what are you supposed to do if you see more than two or three bikes? Leave the bike behind?"

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Yanglifeng | 9 years ago
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surely, we just need to set up a petition to parliament and encourage as many people to focus around a simple solution like:

we the people want a train service fit for 2015

we want carriages to provide:

*4 clugs fitted to allow bikes to be stored vertically
*allen keys to be provided so handlebars and stems can be twisted to reduce the footprint of the bikes

seems fair

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Potiriadis | 9 years ago
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Basic point, the conductor can neither touch you or your bike. The only authority the have is that which give them.
Having said the above I have also been in a similar situation where while the conductor acknowledged they could not force me from the train, he could however hold the train in the station until I got off. I disembarked to avoid being disembowelled by hostile fellow passengers.

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Toro Toro replied to Potiriadis | 9 years ago
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Potiriadis wrote:

Basic point, the conductor can neither touch you or your bike. The only authority the have is that which give them.
Having said the above I have also been in a similar situation where while the conductor acknowledged they could not force me from the train, he could however hold the train in the station until I got off. I disembarked to avoid being disembowelled by hostile fellow passengers.

This person is not a lawyer, and you should never, ever take legal advice from somebody on the internet; particularly someone telling you "X has no authority to do Y; they act as though they do, but only have it if you consent".

Google "freemen on the land"; these people are a serious problem. And the world would be a better place if they *were* disembowelled.

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bobbinogs | 9 years ago
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Then again, if the picture shown was taken on board the train and of the incident in question, I can actually see how H&S comes into play. If there was a major incident that necessitated an emergency evacuation (which could happen at any time and is not negated by only travelling for one stop) then I would not have liked to have been in that carriage or, a very likely scenario, having to quickly pass through it.

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brooksby replied to bobbinogs | 9 years ago
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Bobbinogs wrote:

Then again, if the picture shown was taken on board the train and of the incident in question ...

Its not. Thats a photo from the blog entry about the Dunwich Dynamo, and how friendly that local rail company was in letting people get back to points west.

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esayers | 9 years ago
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The capacity for bikes on Rail transport is a joke. I remember looking to book a train to west Wales over a month in advance and was told then that the bike reservation for the train was full. This was in the middle of the day on a Friday during term time, hardly peak time. Hey, as long as the shareholders are happy, who cares about the state of trains for any passengers!

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