VIDEO: Moment cyclist is hit by lorry entering cycle lane

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

You're on the motorway overtaking an HGV which is in the inside lane, do you a) overtake in your lane because you are certain they won't move into your lane because they aren't indicating nor have reason to do so (despite them being able to given it's not a solid line) or b) never overtake on the offchance that that 40 tons of mass at 60 mph might move into your lane randomly. ..which we know happens and kills/maims people even on the 'safe' motorway.
Is the risk differential any different to cyling past in a lane, if so, where is the evidence? How many people who ride bikes have being killed cycles ng on the inside on a straight on lane compared to motorists killed by HGV s moving out their lanes into other vehicles. I'd hazard a guess the latter is a higher number.
Again I ask, why would you pass an HGV in adjacent lane if you blame the victim in this case?

of course the risk is different. On a motorway I will like get my car written off, in the cycle lane consequences are more severe.
when the green man comes on at the crossing, do you go straight out, or do you check the cars actually are stopping? yes the driver is at fault but you can take action to reduce risk.

wycombewheeler wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

You're on the motorway overtaking an HGV which is in the inside lane, do you a) overtake in your lane because you are certain they won't move into your lane because they aren't indicating nor have reason to do so (despite them being able to given it's not a solid line) or b) never overtake on the offchance that that 40 tons of mass at 60 mph might move into your lane randomly. ..which we know happens and kills/maims people even on the 'safe' motorway. Is the risk differential any different to cyling past in a lane, if so, where is the evidence? How many people who ride bikes have being killed cycles ng on the inside on a straight on lane compared to motorists killed by HGV s moving out their lanes into other vehicles. I'd hazard a guess the latter is a higher number. Again I ask, why would you pass an HGV in adjacent lane if you blame the victim in this case?

of course the risk is different. On a motorway I will like get my car written off, in the cycle lane consequences are more severe. when the green man comes on at the crossing, do you go straight out, or do you check the cars actually are stopping? yes the driver is at fault but you can take action to reduce risk.

will likely, are you sure that's more or less likely than a person riding a bike being killed whilst cycling in a forward direction and the HGV also going in a forward direction (not turning left)?

C'mon, how many cycling deaths or serious injuries were there last year that involved an HGV moving out of the lane into a cycle lane whilst moving straight ahead? I'm not talking about pulling alongside an HGV at a junction but going straight ahead as per this incident.

How many motorists where killed or seriously injured due to an HGV moving out of its lane unexpectedly/unlawfully?

checking through bez's list of cyclists killed in 2016 I can't see a single death caused by an HGV having deviated from its lane into a cycle lane going in a straight on direction. There is one where a road narrows and a cycle lane ends abruptly (& the collision happens after the lane ends) and that is the nearest but the lane here does not end, the road does not narrow and thus the fault is entirely that of the HGV driver and the risk comparatively doesn't hold water to not cycle on the inside lane when both vehicles are travelling in the same direction.

Now, going up the inside at a junction, different matter but that's not what we're talking about here is it?

Valbrona wrote:

Fellow cyclists .... NEVER EVER GO DOWN THE SIDE OF A BIG LORRY LIKE THAT, CYCLE LANE OR NOT. That is the way you get yourself killed.

And what a load of dumb ass/inexperienced cyclist comments. This was a broken-line cycle lane, allowing vehicles to legally use it if necessary, like if some geezer is driving a giant lorry along what is quite a narrow road.

Phew.

Totally agree...you owe it to yourself not to head up the inside of a lorry (cycle lane or not)...lorries do not see you at all....You can be morally right all you like but you're still risking your life.

Always assume every driver cant see you, doesnt care or is just a crap driver and ride defensively.

Valbrona wrote:

Fellow cyclists .... NEVER EVER GO DOWN THE SIDE OF A BIG LORRY LIKE THAT, CYCLE LANE OR NOT. That is the way you get yourself killed.

And what a load of dumb ass/inexperienced cyclist comments. This was a broken-line cycle lane, allowing vehicles to legally use it if necessary, like if some geezer is driving a giant lorry along what is quite a narrow road.

Phew.

Agreed with most of what you say but:

Any driver of any vehicle should know that although you may cross a dotted white line when it is safe to do so you must always exercise caution when doing so. Being unable to see what might be beside you but continuing and moving cannot be said to be exercising any sort of caution - merely the hope that it will be OK. For that reason, although the cyclist was foolish to take a chance on the lorry driver holding his line, the lorry driver was singly at fault.

shay cycles wrote:

Valbrona wrote:

Fellow cyclists .... NEVER EVER GO DOWN THE SIDE OF A BIG LORRY LIKE THAT, CYCLE LANE OR NOT. That is the way you get yourself killed.

And what a load of dumb ass/inexperienced cyclist comments. This was a broken-line cycle lane, allowing vehicles to legally use it if necessary, like if some geezer is driving a giant lorry along what is quite a narrow road.

Phew.

Agreed with most of what you say but:

Any driver of any vehicle should know that although you may cross a dotted white line when it is safe to do so you must always exercise caution when doing so. Being unable to see what might be beside you but continuing and moving cannot be said to be exercising any sort of caution - merely the hope that it will be OK. For that reason, although the cyclist was foolish to take a chance on the lorry driver holding his line, the lorry driver was singly at fault.

Exactly. If you followed Valbrona's logic, no-one would ever have to look before changing lanes ever.

Grahamd wrote:

Whilst the lorry is at fault, in the interests of protecting myself am unsure if I would have chosen to put myself in the cyclists road position. 

I think the fault is as much the road design and HGV design. The cycle lane is barely more than the width of a cyclists elbows, and it appears the HGV takes up the entire normal lane, leaving no buffer between them.

HGV then naturally moves left before completing a right turn, or because the road narrows, and potentially cannot see whether the space to his left is empty.

The video starts to low to determine whether this is a failed overtake, or undertaking.

Grahamd wrote:

Whilst the lorry is at fault, in the interests of protecting myself am unsure if I would have chosen to put myself in the cyclists road position. 

I'll never go there even with a cycle lane. Shame road confidence has to play such a part in protecting ones self.