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Cars outside the Richmond Hotel (via StreetView).jpgDriver says Liverpool cyclist took a "chunk" out of his car when he parked across cycle lane
A man from Devon has accused a cyclist of taking a ‘chunk’ out of his BMW during a trip to Liverpool. Keith Crewe had parked across a cycle lane on a quiet city road, but refused to move for the cyclist who reportedly scratched the car with a pedal in response.
Dash cam footage of the incident has been published on the Liverpool Echo website.
Keith Crewe, who had travelled to Liverpool from Devon for a family funeral, says he had permission to park his car across the bike lane so that he could load his bags after staying at the Richmond Hotel.
The cyclist who pulls up behind is clearly unhappy with this and won’t ride round the car. He instead picks up his bike and walks onto the pavement, at which point he is said to have deliberately damaged the car.
Crewe said: “There’s a chunk out of the driver side bumper, and there’s a load of scratches. The car is only three years old and I think it’s going to be quite expensive because it’s going to need to be resprayed.
“We’d had a lovely time in Liverpool, it’s a fantastic city and we’d caught up with some family, but this did put a downer on it. As a cyclist myself I appreciate the difficulties of cycling in a busy city and the use of cycle lanes. I also think as fellow road users, we should show some common sense in sharing a road.
“The chap in this video clip could easily have rode around us as there were no cars in a very quiet street on a Sunday morning. Instead, he chose to be pedantic about the use of the cycle lane before purposely getting off his bike and causing damage to our car when he knocked his pedal and scraped along the bumper.”
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who would have done nothing.
The car was illegally loading where it is marked no unloading at any time. Doesn't give the cyclist the right to (allegedly) damage the car.
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Correct, but what the hell else could he do? Just blithely continue to accept that driving a car gives you the right to break the law? Reporting it to the police would have resulted in the sum total of sweet fa, and if this had happened to you a hundred times in the past week, you'd probably be pissed enough to actually do something this time.
Should we take the law into our own hands? Sometimes yes. If the police and the judicial system is ignoring our safety and refusing to support the law of the land, then what else is there?
Yes.
The state has left us no other choice.
I suppose one can't defend the cyclist doing something that presumaby is against the law, but the law should be changed so that any car parked in a non-legal manner is no longer treated as a 'car' but instead can be treated like any other bit of junk dumped in an obstructive manner in a public place.
I doubt anyone would consider it an offense to damage an old mattress or sofa someone had dumped on the pavement, or a pile of rubble someone had left in the middle of the road. A car not in a legal parking place should be regarded the same way. Clearly they don't want it any more, or they'd have parked it legally.
(I realise the same logic could be applied to bikes locked in stupid places!)
Well done cyclist! Did he overreact? Did he fcuk. If he dished out the same treatment to every motorist who broke the law in such a way as to cause him distress/inconvenience/harm, then I suppose it might be an overreaction. But if he did that, he would never get to his destination.
It's lucky the intolerant cyclist wasn't there when the Google car was filming - there are two cars illegally parked and apparently unloading!
Someone needs to put the Hotel straight!
I'd prefer it if the police just stuck a camera there and fined all the motorists who did that. The Hotel are free to tell people what they want - it doesn't change what's legal or not on the public road.
Is there actual footage of the pedestrian damaging the motor vehicle?
If not then as there are no witnesses to the alleged damage being done then police are bound by law to do fuck all.
Even if there was they won't do anything except shrug their shoulders and tell the driver to go away and stop wasting their time ... oh wait, that rule/law only applies to people on bikes on the receiving end.
You can see the cyclist moving his bike, but you can't see the contact between his bike and the car. You can hear a bump, so you can infer exactly where and when it happened.
If I was on the jury, I'd say that the cyclist did it, but it could have been accidental - there's no violent movements.
I'm sure it was accidental BUT as I tell my kids when they cry "I didn't mean to..", that's not really the point, if your behaviour results in damage then it's your fault and you pay for it.
...unless you do it with a car of course.
And if any of your kids put their property somewhere it was absolutely not meant to be, had no right to be, and someone who was entitled to be there had to go out of their way to get around said property, and did it a bit of accidental damage in getting around it, and then your kid whinged to everybody who'd listen about the damage...
... you'd fall out with the entitled little shit sharpish, wouldn't you?
There’s a big difference between a kid doing something wrong and an adult doing something wrong.
Allow me to blame bikeman01's imperfect analogy.
that’s a bit harsh on the parents. One of my brothers burnt a school down when he was six. He didn’t mean to. There can be mitigating circumstances you know.
I just hope the Daily Heil, don't get hold of this... Menacing Cyclist Vandalises Car With Driver Inside
It's a one-way road with a cycle lane contraflow. I bet this guy rides down here a lot, and I bet he encounters knobheads like this all the time. I don't blame him one bit. I often come across pavements blocked by idiots and fancy walking over their cars.
Rule 140 of the Highway Code says:
Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. Do not drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a broken white line unless it is unavoidable. You MUST NOT park in any cycle lane whilst waiting restrictions apply.
Motorist shouldn't have parked there, even if the Hotel had said it's Ok!
Cyclist shouldn't have been a d!ck either.
Who gave him permission? If the hotel said so, then they were in error and he ought to take any repair costs up with them, surely? My understanding of double yellows was 'no stopping, no parking, no loading, nothing'.
It makes no difference as to who gives you permission - ultimately you have to obey the law yourself and can't just move responsibility onto someone else ("they said I could do it").
I can give you permission to go round and damage all the cars that annoy you, but that won't hold up in court.
If the driver was confused about the meaning of the road markings and was genuinely mislead by someone (the hotel?) giving him permission, then when confronted by the cyclist, he could have just apologised and moved his car. If a policeman had told him to move, would he have complied?
Not so sir.
I stand corrected. Please explain, mike.
you have to read the plate that explains what is permitted there...
other European contries have things far more simpler... parking etc. ins not permitted anywhere except for expliceltely define parking zones...
as a result, you can only park where you are allowed to park...
no unsightly yellow lines etc..
Double yellows, you're allowed to stop and pick up, drop off.
Double yellows with hash marks on the kerb, zero tolerance.
Couldn’t the guy park his car at the edge of the cycle lane?
The cyclist was a bit of a dick if we consider this incident in isolation. But given that he’s probably had loads of incidents just like it, then it’s understandable.
The police always seem to treat damage to a car much more seriously than dangerous driving (as long as no-one is hurt). Hope this guy isn’t tracked down, or gets a decent lawyer.
Exactly: he could have parked with the side of his car against the cycle lane, not *in* the cycle lane.
In this particular case the cyclist has clearly been a dick, but if the road was busier I'd always prioritise my safety over the safety of someone's illegally parked property. I've seen people on the school run squeeze pushchairs past cars parked on pavements and really don't see an issue with that...
Childish behavour by the cyclist. And (being an electrican) I'll bet he also behaves like an arse to cyclists when he's in his van.
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