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Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham blasted after claiming there is a “growing debate” about compulsory hi-viz for cyclists

Twitter users react as he also insists that giving more road space to cyclists means they have greater obligations

Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham has claimed there is a “growing debate” around making it compulsory for cyclists to wear high-visibility clothing – and has also implied that part of the cost of having more road space set aside for cycle lanes is that people on bikes need to take on more responsibility.

The Labour politician’s remarks, made during a phone-in on BBC Radio Manchester earlier today, have been criticised on social media not only by cycling campaigners, but also by roads police officers.

Highway Code Rule 59 does not require cyclists to wear hi-viz clothing, nor does it say they “should” do, simply stating that “Light-coloured or fluorescent clothing can help other road users to see you in daylight and poor light, while reflective clothing and/or accessories (belt, arm or ankle bands) can increase your visibility in the dark.”

But one caller to today’s radio phone-in, a taxi driver named Dave from Harpurhey who also said he cycles, told Burnham: “I can’t understand why it’s not compulsory to wear hi-viz when cycling.”

In response, the Mayor said: “There is a growing debate. If more road space is to be given it follows that more obligation is given on users too.”

While there may occasionally be calls for cyclists to have to wear hi-vis clothing – and to be registered or licenced, take out compulsory third party insurance cover, and wear helmets – many would consider that calling it a “growing debate” as Burnham did, is stretching things a bit.

Indeed, Chris Boardman, previously walking and cycling commissioner for Greater Manchester under Burnham before leaving earlier this year to head up the new body Active Travel England has consistently said that making it compulsory for cyclists to wear helmets and hi-vis clothing distract from initiatives proven to make the roads safer for people on bikes, such as building segregated cycle lanes.

In 2020, he told Telegraph.co.uk: “Messaging is something the car industry has known for decades. You don't see a car advert with a car sitting in a traffic jam. You see it on big open roads.

“So we shouldn't be showing cyclists in body armour and high-vis. We should show it how it can be. And cycling can be nice.

“The beauty of cycling is that it is simple. You can wear your work clothes and just ride to work. You don't have to be sweating. You don't need special clothes. That's the bit we forget.”

Responding to Burnham’s comments today, one Twitter user retweeted a post by Surrey Police’s Road Policing Team from last November which included a picture of a patrol car that had been hit from behind by a driver, with the tweet saying that hi-viz is “Part of our uniform and part of H&S requirements. But those of us that have worked on the roads for years know how ineffective high viz is, especially in daytime. If drivers can’t see high viz WITH flashy lights as well, then just high viz is even less effective.”

Another Twitter user retweeted a picture of a lorry that had struck a railway bridge, despite the latter carrying yellow and black hatching and warning that it had a very low clearance.

Several Twitter users took issue with Burnham’s reference to a “growing debate,” while others pointed out that cyclists are allowed to use road space already, and allocating more of it to them in the form of segregated cycle lanes did not carry with it any additional responsibilities being placed on those who choose to get around by bike.

It's not the first time this year that Burnham has been pulled up by cyclists on social media after making inaccurate claims in a Q&A session on the local radio station.

In January we reported how, ahead of revisions to the Highway Code coming into effect, he had urged for the planned changes to be postponed, and also repeated the misconception that one of revisions permitted cyclists to ride “in the middle of the road,” rather than the middle of the lane – something that they were already allowed to do, with the new wording simply clarifying the issue.

> Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham under fire after calling for Highway Code changes to be paused

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to NOtotheEU | 2 years ago
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Try here. 

What happened to the modern C5 his family were planning. Used to appear at the cycle shows in 2017/2018.

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chrisonabike replied to AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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Ah, the Iris eTrike you mean?

https://www.grantsinclair.com/product-page/iris-etrike-electric-vehicle

Don't know what happened but velos in general are hard to sell many of, being niche recumbents.  (They're niche even in NL).  They sort of require a garage at either end of the journey - you're not going to be carrying even the super light ones up a few flights of steps.  Nor storing them in the hall.  Sadly they attract a little too much attention.  Plus high cost / difficult to replace / bodywork often easily damaged.

Some videos (old and new) on the site here:

https://www.bailiwickexpress.com/jsy/life/technology/old-school-electric...

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Surreyrider | 2 years ago
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I'm not surprised he spouts such total drivel. He's a politician. 

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squired | 2 years ago
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Yeah, hi-viz is so effective that when my brother was cycling on a beautiful summer afternoon (30 degrees and blue skies) wearing a luminous yellow top the off duty cop who took him out and left him with a crushed vertebrae didn't manage to see him.  If they don't look they don't see, irrespective of what you are wearing.

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leaway2 | 2 years ago
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I ride with a guy who wears "HI Viz". We ride in the Cheshire lanes. Against all the greenery, it is effectively camo'.

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Sriracha replied to leaway2 | 2 years ago
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Could try pink or orange.

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Seventyone | 2 years ago
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Hang on, I thought we were a far left looney echo chamber. Surely we would never criticise a, and I quote, "lay bur" politician?

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marmotte27 | 2 years ago
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 A politician pandering to the smallest common denominator... What else is new?

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Sriracha | 2 years ago
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By what logic does giving cyclists more segregated road space mean that there would be an increased need for them to protect themselves against motorists? This smacks of petty vindictiveness, exacting a price.

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Eton Rifle | 2 years ago
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Very disappointing response from Andy Burnham. He really should not be putting out this sort of bullshit.

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chrisonabike replied to Eton Rifle | 2 years ago
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Sounds like the kind of "surfing the popular buzzwords" thing that a politician would emit.  Maybe he's reconsidering having a go in Westminster, given there's looking like more chance of a Labour government.  Maybe practicing the kind of guff that ministers are expected to produce daily...

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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This cyclist should have been wearing hi viz

https://twitter.com/john38709746/status/1587904148040667136

(action starts at 30 seconds)

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ooblyboo | 2 years ago
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Aside from the fact that I don't think regulations like this are at all desirable, how would you enforce rules around such clothing? How would you even define hi-vis? I do tend to wear fluorescent clothing by day and reflective clothing in low light. Fluorescent on its own is next to useless in the dark. Reflective by day doesn't do a lot.

It's a personal choice that I have made but I am not convinced that either makes a huge difference thanks to how many distracted drivers there are out there.

How about enforcing existing regulations like, say, those governing use of mobile phones while behind the wheel of a vehicle? Likely more effective in keeping us safe than silly, unworkable rules around precisely what shade of yellow our clothing ought to be.

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JustTryingToGet... replied to ooblyboo | 2 years ago
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ooblyboo wrote:

Aside from the fact that I don't think regulations like this are at all desirable, how would you enforce rules around such clothing? How would you even define hi-vis? I do tend to wear fluorescent clothing by day and reflective clothing in low light. Fluorescent on its own is next to useless in the dark. Reflective by day doesn't do a lot.

It's a personal choice that I have made but I am not convinced that either makes a huge difference thanks to how many distracted drivers there are out there.

How about enforcing existing regulations like, say, those governing use of mobile phones while behind the wheel of a vehicle? Likely more effective in keeping us safe than silly, unworkable rules around precisely what shade of yellow our clothing ought to be.

All of this. Totally unenforceable but will bring more ire down on cyclists who wear what they think is right for the journey.

Louder for the pricks at the back. THE BASTARDS CAN'T SEE MY HI-VIS BECAUSE THEY ARE LOOKING AT THEIR FUCKING PHONES!

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andystow replied to ooblyboo | 2 years ago
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ooblyboo wrote:

Aside from the fact that I don't think regulations like this are at all desirable, how would you enforce rules around such clothing?

I'm not advocating for it, but this part is easy. There are already legal requirements for high visibility clothing on job sites, and (in the US) for hunting. They specify required reflectivity, square centimetres of reflective material and/or of fluorescent material, and manufacturers get items certified to the standard. Then, just like with helmets in Australia, you can be asked to prove you're wearing one with the right sticker on it.

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eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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Very disappointing.  Obviously Andy learned nothing from St Chris.

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Secret_squirrel replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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Agree. He's gone off the rails since Chris left. 

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sean1 replied to eburtthebike | 2 years ago
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In the early days it seemed like Burnham really got active travel and had Boardman by his side.

Now he is back to the usual tropes about cycling in order to appease the motoring masses.

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