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mdavidford wrote:

Steve K wrote:

jacknorell wrote:

You're going to be so upset when you find out about banana bread...

Fruit in cake is great - banana bread; lemon cake; (my personal favourite) Dorset apple cake etc...  It's vegetables in cake that are wrong.

Where do you stand on courgettes, pumpkins (and other squash), or tomatoes? Technically they're fruit...

If you stand anywhere on them, they're squashed.

If you don't stand on them they are still squash.

Anyway, I make a bloody marvelous lemon drizzle cake with mashed potato

mdavidford wrote:

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Where do you stand on courgettes, pumpkins (and other squash), or tomatoes? Technically they're fruit...

I try not to as they get a bit squashy...

mdavidford wrote:

Steve K wrote:

jacknorell wrote:

You're going to be so upset when you find out about banana bread...

Fruit in cake is great - banana bread; lemon cake; (my personal favourite) Dorset apple cake etc...  It's vegetables in cake that are wrong.

Where do you stand on courgettes, pumpkins (and other squash), or tomatoes? Technically they're fruit...

How about that well loved fruit, cucumber?

hawkinspeter wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

Steve K wrote:

jacknorell wrote:

You're going to be so upset when you find out about banana bread...

Fruit in cake is great - banana bread; lemon cake; (my personal favourite) Dorset apple cake etc...  It's vegetables in cake that are wrong.

Where do you stand on courgettes, pumpkins (and other squash), or tomatoes? Technically they're fruit...

How about that well loved fruit, cucumber?

Ooh, you're a cheeky one, cauliflower!

chrisonatrike wrote:

Ooh, you're a cheeky one, cauliflower!

I'll see your cauliflower and raise you a broccoli

hawkinspeter wrote:

How about that well loved fruit, cucumber?

Oh, yes - we had a lovely cake out of our cucumber glut in the summer. But again - yours has been unnecessarily slathered in sugary goop.

mdavidford wrote:

Oh, yes - we had a lovely cake out of our cucumber glut in the summer. But again - yours has been unnecessarily slathered in sugary goop.

I fail to see how a cake can ever be "unnecessarily" slathered in sugary goop - it's an essential part. I mean, just imagine how a brussel sprout cake would taste without some kind of icing?

https://www.cookingbites.com/threads/brussels-sprout-cake.8730/

Steve K wrote:

captain_slog wrote:

I have to come to the defence of carrot cake. I would totally eat a carrot cake energy gel. 

Carrot cake is just wrong, imo.  If you're going to have cake, have cake.  Don't pretend its healthy by putting carrot in it, when all that does is ruin it.

the youngest cub baked a carrot cake only the other night. none of us pretended it was healthy. Sadly it didn't live to see the morn. Next time she bakes one I'll post you a slice.

It won't be a big slice though, else you won't have enough room afterwards to eat your words ....

Nakd bars do a nice carrot cake bar whcih would work

Me too, no doubt that's not much help to carrot cakes cause though.

But hey if others dont like it, means theres more for us

Podc wrote:

How many lives would be saved by banning TT bikes? Give us a stat. 

All those who lost the will to live reading drivel about them here, for a start.

Oh no - wait - it would just be replaced with drivel about something else, wouldn't it?

mdavidford wrote:

Podc wrote:

How many lives would be saved by banning TT bikes? Give us a stat. 

All those who lost the will to live reading drivel about them here, for a start.

Oh no - wait - it would just be replaced with drivel about something else, wouldn't it?

I'm sure a certain someone who thinks TT Bikes should be banned.... is also in favour of banning stairs.... I'm pretty sure more people in the UK will be killed falling down stairs each year than have been killed on or as a direct result of someone on a TT Bike in the last 20 years or so.

If it saves one life...

In principle yes, but in practice it depends on which life doesn't it?

Don't get me started on DIY power tools!

Podc wrote:

How many lives would be saved by banning TT bikes? Give us a stat. 

You won't get facts from him..... only his opinion dressed up as fact.  And because he knows he doesn't have any evidence to back up his opinion he will stop engaging with you and move on to someone else

Who ever told you to shut up was right, you don't know what you're talking about!!!!!

Serious question, have you ever ridden a TT bike to form this opinion?

In the same vein as folks on the forum have argued that cars/ guns aren't inherently dangerous it is all about how they are used. Surely the same is true of TT bikes?

They did change their name to TTdanger last year and then immediately went on to make vile comments about a tt rider who had been badly injured in a crash.

Just so you know their true colours. If there was any doubt in your mind.

SimoninSpalding wrote:

Serious question, have you ever ridden a TT bike to form this opinion?

In the same vein as folks on the forum have argued that cars/ guns aren't inherently dangerous it is all about how they are used. Surely the same is true of TT bikes?

Tom Pidcock had the following to say

"Positions are getting more and more extreme and we spend more time trying to hold these positions," he said.

"You don't necessarily see where you're going."

"I crashed on a time trial bike, Ben [Turner, Ineos team-mate] crashed on a time trial bike. Egan's now crashed - it's getting quite extreme, the position. I think that's the biggest causes of the crashes recently."

There may be an argument that the position achieved by a sunday morning triathlete is not as extreme as what is expected of riders on the pro tour, and consequently not as dangerous. But there will always be a trade off between aero position and visibility of the road ahead.

Of course it's also possible to do this with a normal road bike

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OrKLGEOVRA

So what they should be cracking down on is cyclists looking down, not what sort of bike they are using.

Wait - are you saying that professional sportsmen chasing speed are having crashes? That they seem to be at least as concerned about going fast as reaching their destinations safely?

And now a few members of the public not only aren't condemning this but are copying them? My head will explode (if I don't smash it on something first)!

Maybe you should campaign for the UCI "height of the bottom bracket" rule to be relaxed then? That'd allow you to go at least as fast as on a TT bike, and more safely / comfortably e.g. like this.

Of course for those who want some proper speed there's the wonderful wacky races of the BHPC (video)- coming to a circuit near you!

chrisonatrike wrote:

Maybe you should campaign for the UCI "height of the bottom bracket" rule to be relaxed then? That'd allow you to go at least as fast as on a TT bike, and more safely / comfortably e.g. like this.

 

also maximum braking force is increased by moving the rider centre of gravity backwards and downwards, which 

Wow, must've have been a really top end one if it had a built in coaching functionality!

Or possibly it is how the rider chooses to use it.

You're not encouraged to ride head down, the opposite is true, a head down position can lead to a DQ, as can not going onto the base bar at roundabouts.

There are notices at sign on warning riders about the consequences, both in terms of a DQ or the danger of injury.

Garage at Large wrote:

Yes I have owned a TT bike - you're not only encouraged to ride head down, but the aero bars don't have any access to brake levers. The position isn't condusive to turning or control of the bike.

It's an inherent and deliberate design flaw, they aren't suitable to be ridden on normal open roads.

Who encouraged you to ride head down?

If you are not looking where you are going that is both dangerous cycling and riding with undue care and attention under the road traffic act.

If you were partaking in an authorised time trail then I refer you to Cycling Time Trials Regulations,

1(a) Competitors, officials, helpers or members of affiliated clubs shall not act or behave in a manner such as to give offence to the public interest or such as to bring the sport into disrepute.

14. Competitor's Machine
Every competitor must ensure that their machine is so constructed, equipped and maintained as to be capable of being ridden on the road safely at all times and in all conditions. The riding position shall be set so that the competitor has good forward vision when in a competitive position.

14(d)  Machines fitted with triathlon handlebars and derivations thereof which have forearm supports, or Spinacci type handlebars without forearm supports, may be used provided that when the rider adopts a competitive position on these bars:

    (i)  The wrists are no lower than the elbows.
    (ii)  The height from the ground to the forearm resting position is no less than 80% of the height of the saddle from the ground.

N.B. The Board considers that use of the so called “tuck” and “superman” positions would be a breach of the opening paragraph of this Regulation and that such use is not in the best interests of the safety of riders or the welfare of the sport.

20. Observance of the Law

All competitors in, or in the vicinity of the event, must observe the law of the land relating to road use. In particular, but without prejudice to the general principles of this Regulation, competitors must:

(a) not ride in a manner that is unsafe either to themselves or to other road users;

and

Note: Where there has been an accident as a result of a competitor's contravention of (a) above the competitor shall normally be subjected to a minimum effective period of suspension of six competitive months for a first offence and twelve months for a second offence.

COMPETITIVE MONTHS ARE DEEMED TO BE MARCH TO OCTOBER INCLUSIVE and NON-COMPETITIVE MONTHS ARE NOVEMBER TO FEBRUARY INCLUSIVE.

Also, if a competitor is seen to be riding in a dangerous manner, ie head down, then the same penalty will be applied.

I will also add that all courses used by Cycling Trial and British Cycling have to have a written risk assessment. This must address the risks to both the persons taking part in the event and outside of the event.

So it seems that you were in breach of the rules and/or the law as well as beinga PRAT for riding in such a dangerous manner.