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chrisonatrike wrote:

Yo momma's so fat, she will have to ride at the front of every peloton so as to not block motorists' view of the other riders.

Yo momma's so fat she couldn't get a room at Hilbert's hotel

hawkinspeter wrote:

chrisonatrike wrote:

Yo momma's so fat, she will have to ride at the front of every peloton so as to not block motorists' view of the other riders.

Yo momma's so fat she couldn't get a room at Hilbert's hotel

Surreal!

chrisonatrike wrote:

Captain Badger wrote:

Argos74 wrote:

Garage at Large wrote:

...and one which I've shared with my mum.

your mum?

yo momma....

Yo momma's so fat, she will have to ride at the front of every peloton so as to not block motorists' view of the other riders.

yo Momma so fat she needs a boomerang to put her belt on

Argos74 wrote:

Garage at Large wrote:

...and one which I've shared with my mum.

your mum?

Honestly, that was the line that scared me the most. I'm now imagining a cycling Norman Bates........

Argos74 wrote:

Garage at Large wrote:

...and one which I've shared with my mum.

your mum?

This more than anything suggest that Mr. GaL is on a very elaborate pisstake on here.

marmotte27 wrote:

Argos74 wrote:

Garage at Large wrote:

...and one which I've shared with my mum.

your mum?

This more than anything suggest that Mr. GaL is on a very elaborate pisstake on here.

On Eben Weiss's blog, there's a regular commenter (Leroy) who always posts along the lines of "My dog always thinks that..." or "My dog says..."

Also reminds me of Emma's sister in law in 'Emma' - "My friends say that... "

Perhaps our Nige is a bit like that ("My mum says...").

It says "Should" not "Must", not law not a requirement, just a suggestion.

Simple soloution to make everyone happy is for the cyclists to move to Single file and ride primary position.

Totally in line with the HWC then.

Garage at Large wrote:

Top tier lawyer and road safety expert Nick Freeman is once again completely justified in pointing out this disgraceful group's blatent disregard of the highway code: "you should never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends." As I've mentioned before, I don't believe that Nick's proposed registration scheme is proportionate. However, there are other means to ensure this kind of antisocial behaviour is discouraged, with my own preference being to limit group rides to 4 people maximum, with police being at liberty to confiscate law-breakers' bikes and sell them to fund road safety measures. Nonetheless, a fantastically articulated video from Mr Freeman, and one which I've shared with my mum. I'll report back when she's reviewed the footage and given her opinion.

Nick, you've surpassed yourself with todays first post! 

I've never seen anyone support Nick Freeman in any way ever apart from, 1) Nick Freeman the publicity whore himself 2) those who profit from his work... and now you. I reckon if you started a Nick Freeman fan club, Nick Freeman would be very pleased about that indeed, he might even send you a signed picture of himself, wouldn't that be nice! 

Am I missing something here? I thought the Garage at Large persona was a parody account...

Compact Corned Beef wrote:

Am I missing something here? I thought the Garage at Large persona was a parody account...

He's usually serious, but after todays post.. honestly I'm not sure anymore.. 

That's Nasal Forage although the lines are getting rather blurred.

Garage at Large wrote:

 I've shared with my mum.

Does she know Geoff Boycott's mum?

"Top tier lawyer and road safety expert" - sorry that's just too much for one post, I haven't laughed so much in ages.  It's like calling OJ Simpson's lawyer an expert on advocacy in preventing Femicide.

Mr Loophole is just angry that this "disgraceful group" is doing him out of business by calming the traffic.  How's anyone supposed to speed or drive dangerously in such a situation? The absolute swines - he'll be claiming for loss of earnings next.

Highway code for that rule is 'should not', not 'must not'. Therefore there is no legal obilgation for them to ride single file whilst traffic builds up, just that 'should' ride single file.

matt_cycles wrote:

Highway code for that rule is 'should not', not 'must not'. Therefore there is no legal obilgation for them to ride single file whilst traffic builds up, just that 'should' ride single file.

In addition it is advice for cyclists, and bears no relevance for those following. It is more about ensuring that you don't meet oncoming fackwits cutting corners - a bit like that fackwit poophole, or whoever was driving him

Garage's Mum

Garage at Large wrote:

Top tier lawyer and road safety expert Nick Freeman is once again completely justified in pointing out this disgraceful group's blatent disregard of the highway code: "you should never ride more than two abreast, and ride in single file on narrow or busy roads and when riding round bends." As I've mentioned before, I don't believe that Nick's proposed registration scheme is proportionate. However, there are other means to ensure this kind of antisocial behaviour is discouraged, with my own preference being to limit group rides to 4 people maximum, with police being at liberty to confiscate law-breakers' bikes and sell them to fund road safety measures. Nonetheless, a fantastically articulated video from Mr Freeman, and one which I've shared with my mum. I'll report back when she's reviewed the footage and given her opinion.

Ok Nige.... where during that video was it safe to overtake a group of 7 cyclists riding 2 abreast?  In my opinion nowhere, as there was not a sufficently long stretch with clear visibility to overtake the group of cyclists.

Ergo, logically it also means that there were no suitable places to overtake a group of 7 cyclists riding single file.

The only thing riding single file would have done would have been to put the cyclists in danger as some drivers would see thinning down into single file as an inviation to overtake.

Even if it was a group of 4 cyclists there were no real places for the cars to overtake safely.  Again you are trying to praise a person who makes a living out of getting rich people out of breaking laws on technicalities, whilst simultaneously berating law abiding road users.

"Top tier lawyer"

In that case one cannot but wonder what lawyers from the lower tiers are actually worth...

Depends how you define worth in this field. Geoffrey Cox is probably right near the bottom on my measure.

So are you actually going to answer the question..... when in the 1 minute video was it safe for either of the drivers to overtake any cyclists.  Either a solo cyclist, a group of 4 or the 7 in question.

I'm going to guess you won't answer, because you know that there were no opportunities to safely overtake due to the twisting road and high hedges.

Garage at Large wrote:

The point isn't whether it was safe or unsafe to overtake during Nick's video clip - the point was that this group of cyclists had set off on a jolly without giving any kind of forethought as to whether their actions might anger and frustrate other road users and whether their behaviour aligned with the highway code.

I wonder where Mr. Freeman was going?

Garage at Large wrote:

I'm assuming Mr Freeman [ ... ] doesn't go around permanently filming on his mobile phone permanently, hoping to spot a group of cyclists behaving badly.

Maybe there's your answer. As he is a Top Self-Publicist could this be a trip out for exactly this purpose? Getting in the papers is pretty easy for him but it takes some work.

Garage at Large wrote:

The point isn't whether it was safe or unsafe to overtake during Nick's video clip - the point was that this group of cyclists had set off on a jolly without giving any kind of forethought as to whether their actions might anger and frustrate other road users and whether their behaviour aligned with the highway code.

There are many lawful things I do as a driver and cyclist which seem to anger and frustrate other road users - observe 20mph speed limits, stop when the traffic lights change to amber etc. It is not reasonable to be angered and frustrated by other road users behaving lawfully, so why should their unreasonable frustration change my behaviour?        

Garage at Large wrote:

The point isn't whether it was safe or unsafe to overtake during Nick's video clip - the point was that this group of cyclists had set off on a jolly without giving any kind of forethought as to whether their actions might anger and frustrate other road users and whether their behaviour aligned with the highway code.

I'm assuming Mr Freeman and the driver had already been held up for a long time prior to the start of filming, as I'm pretty certain he doesn't go around permanently filming on his mobile phone permanently, hoping to spot a group of cyclists behaving badly. It therefore stands to reason that this group had already exasperated and tested the courtesy of the waiting motorists for a number of minutes before filming began.

You and your assumptions again.

Assuming that they had already been held up with absolutely zero proof.  Because that fits your narrative.  Just as likely they just came across the group and then decided to take their phone out and film them.

But the point remains on roads like that it does not matter if it is one cyclist or 50 if it's not safe to overtake its not safe to overtake.

I regularly do solo rides on roads like that and occasionally I hold drivers up because it's not safe for them to overtake and most drivers are courteous.  So I guess  on those occasions I have just set out on a jolly without giving any kind of forethought as to whether my actions might anger and frustrate other road users and whether my behaviour aligned with the highway code?

I mean, just the other day you insulted my partner on the basis of one of your assumptions which could not be further from the truth...... I mean you didn't have the emotional intelligence to bite your tongue you just had to spout your reprehensible opinion

Don't worry. Nige won't / didn't answer your question. He struggles with that kind of thing.

He routinely attacks riders going about their business in legal activity while defending drivers who carry out illegal manoeuvres.

I suggest we don't waste our time. There is nothing in his conduct that suggests he reflects on any replies he receives.

It's amazing how much effort someone can put into being utterly wrong. Clearly the apple didn't fall far from mum's tree.

It's like watching a James Bond villian - if they put as much effort and technology into doing good and legal things, surely they would be immensely richer than pursuing their private war against the world.

I mentioned before, his mum hates cyclists, boo does cycle, hence his mum hates boo. Boo is then full of self loathing and trying to win mums love, hence boo hates cyclists. 

But in reality, Boo is only here to troll and get responses. I'm not sure if he is ever warned or temp banned in his new guises which explains his occasional normalness, but it doesn't take him long to post what is essentially "look at me, notice me" posts.  

Crikey. Seek help.

Garage at Large wrote:

Top tier lawyer and road safety expert Nick Freeman is once again completely justified in pointing out this disgraceful group's blatent disregard of the highway code

...

my own preference being to limit group rides to 4 people maximum, with police being at liberty to confiscate law-breakers' bikes and sell them to fund road safety measures.

...

Nonetheless, a fantastically articulated video from Mr Freeman, and one which I've shared with my mum. I'll report back when she's reviewed the footage and given her opinion.

...

OK, my mum has had chance to review Nick Freeman's footage and she's articulated her opinion via Whatsapp.

This account has gradually morphed into a parody (either that or it has been hacked).

This is NOT the real Garage. It's too witty and self-aware.

Wasn't sure at first if you were talking about Freeman or Nige, but then I noticed he commented after you.

kamoshika wrote:

Wasn't sure at first if you were talking about Freeman or Nige, but then I noticed he commented after you.

But equally applicable in either case.  (I'm not sure how Nige can describe Loopy as a 'road safety expert' as his professional life is based on increasing road danger by helping dangerous drivers avoid accountability.)