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Traffic cops clash with talkRadio's Cristo Foufas about...CyclingMikey?; BBC responds to 'hit by car' headline complaints; COP26 accessibility issues; Hill climb rain and pain; Have you signed for Ineos?; Cycling friends episode 2 + more on the live blog

It's Tuesday and Dan Alexander is in the saddle for another day on the live blog...

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02 November 2021, 16:38
Cristo asks for the complaints form link...positive reviews and thanks flood in for Surrey Roads Policing Unit

Cristo Foufas was quick to deploy the 'I'm telling your boss card' on Surrey Roads Policing Unit's Twitter admin, getting the link for 'thanks and complaints' from Sgt Pascoe, who was only too happy to oblige his request.

Unfortunately for the talkRadio presenter, this too seemed to backfire as his replies were then full of people sharing the positive feedback they'd sent off about Sgt Pascoe's conduct...

Cameron James shared a screenshot of his thanks: "Sgt Pascoe's handling of a 'radio presenter' who seemed to constantly try and twist the wording of posts made through the official Twitter account for Surrey RPU was highly professional and calm. I want to thank them for their continued commitment to keeping the roads of my home county safe whilst professionaly calling out those who try to twist words and threaten to complain. A real credit to Surrey Police! Thank You!"

Cristo claimed these thanks were really helping his cause by proving "just how many people the tweets could potentially put in danger." Anyway, let's see some more of them...

The force also confirmed they'd blocked Cristo for "continually misquoting" their tweets... 

02 November 2021, 16:17
But cyclists...
02 November 2021, 14:57
Mini LTN planters for sale

Don't let your family know you read road.cc otherwise you can be sure to get one of these tenuous active travel gifts for Christmas... similar to those novelty cycling gifts every non-cycling family member has got you at some point.

I'd steer clear of these anyway, rumour has it they increase traffic in neighbouring rooms and stop you getting to the toilet when you need to go...children and pets tend to ignore them too.

Thanks to Tom_77 for pointing these out in the comments, you're already having fun with them...

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02 November 2021, 14:33
Common sense or victim-blaming? Derbyshire Police's hi-vis message goes down like a lead balloon

You'd have thought police forces would have worked out posts like these are more hassle than they're worth. Wear hi-vis and make sure you've got lights. Ask any cyclist who does both of those things and you'll hear countless tales of how both did nothing to prevent dangerous driving, close passes, near misses etc. 

Anyway, here's some of the reaction rolling in...

Thoughts?

> Met Police denies operation issuing hi-vis to cyclists was ‘victim-blaming’

It must be that time of year...last Friday Philip Pullman had a rant about "damn fools" on bikes "speeding through Oxford" without lights or hi-vis.

02 November 2021, 13:48
Victor Campenaerts: Dowsett has 50/50 chance to break Hour Record
Dowsett Hour (YouTube)

One man who will be keeping a close eye on Alex Dowsett's progress in Mexico tomorrow will be Victor Campenaerts. The Belgian, fresh from signing for Lotto-Soudal, has spoken about Dowsett's chances of reclaiming the record he lost to Sir Bradley Wiggins in 2015.

Campenaerts holds the current record, having covered 55.089km in April 2019, coincidently (or not considering the performance marginal gains) at the same high altitude velodrome in Aguascalientes. "I think it’s a 50-50 per cent chance that he can break my record," Campenaerts said in a video posted on his YouTube channel. "I think the biggest benefit Alex has over me is that he already had the Hour Record before. He already did an attempt and the full preparation.

> Alex Dowsett reveals his hour record bike for tomorrow’s attempt

"I prepared for the Hour Record very well but by doing it all I learned some things that I would do differently. That’s a big advantage Alex has – that he has the experience."

We took a look at Alex Dowsett's Hour Record machine, complete with £950 gold chainring, HED's Volo wheels and Aerocoach Ascalon bars, and Campenaerts believes the improved tech two years on will help the Brit's chances.

"Technology hasn’t been standing still. Everything goes forward," he continued. "Tyres are getting faster, frames are getting more aero, suits are getting faster, you have faster chain rings, faster chain lubes. All marginal gains but those margins are all very important in the end if you want to break an Hour Record. There are also new rules. Alex can ride with aero shoe covers, which I wasn’t allowed, though that’s only a small advantage.

"If he breaks it, I’m happy for him. Records are there to be broken, and Alex is a nice guy. I also know what it would mean to him to break the record, so I would be happy for him."

If Dowsett does set a new world-best distance, Campenaerts won't be jumping back on the boards to reclaim his crown..."I don’t think I’d go back after him - not on short notice anyway - because of changes in my career. I think I lost a lot of my time trial abilities. It would be already hard to break my own record, so if Alex breaks it, I will just cheer hard for him, congratulate him, and not go back after him."

There'll be no shortage of eyeballs on Dowsett's attempt which will be broadcast on the BBC iPlayer, BBC Sport website and the UCI's YouTube channel from 21:45GMT tomorrow evening.

02 November 2021, 13:42
Our new favourite Instagram page: Movethosehoods

Niche but very enjoyable. In their own words: "A page to share mechanic wins/blunders,dream hood/bad hood placement shaming & being generally obnoxious!" Anything to be more aero, right? 

02 November 2021, 12:18
Cristo has been saying things about cycling again...this time it's Santander Cycles and TfL in the firing line

Another one for the collection...presumably he wants way more journeys made by bike?

02 November 2021, 12:01
Dreaming of summer? Chase the Sun registrations open 15th November

The nights are dark and it's suddenly got all very cold here in the UK...if you need any extra motivation to get out on the bike this winter, maybe booking a big ride for next summer will help. Pick a goal, have it in the back of your mind, get out on the bike more as a result, get fitter, smash 2022? That's the plan...

> 16 winter cycling tips to get you motivated and battle the winter blues

Naturally, the people at Chase the Sun reckon you should pick one of their rides. Registration for their UK North, UK South and Italia events opens on 15 November. So, if you fancy it, put 18 June 2022 in the diary for a 205-mile summer adventure.

The North UK route starts on the beachfront in Whitley Bay, north of Newcastle upon Tyne, and takes in the wild hills, forests and rivers of Northumberland and the dramatic southern uplands of Scotland, crossing historic bridges and wilderness, riding over 200 miles to reach a view of mid-summer sunset over the Firth of Clyde from Ayr seafront.

Chase The Sun UK South starts at sunrise on the Isle of Sheppey in Kent, crossing a diverse section of the country, encompassing the urban sprawl of London, country lanes, green vales and the mighty Cheddar Gorge, ending at sunset in Burnham On Sea on the Somerset coast some 205 miles later.

Chase The Sun Italia is a 270 kilometre route full of scenic climbing and thrilling descents, it traverses the country from Cesenatico, birthplace of Marco Pantani, over the Appenine mountains, scenic Tuscan hills and vineyards, and passing historic cultural landmarks in Florence and Pisa, to arrive at the Tirrenian sea, on the coast west of Pisa.

Pick your fighter, and get training...

02 November 2021, 11:31
Cycling friends with Jeremy Vine episode 2: Scott Mills

I know Scott Mills isn't on a bike like Peter Hitchens was last week, but I reckon this still counts for Jeremy Vine's cycling friends series. BBC's Scott Mills using a zebra crossing — tremendous entertainment. Top marks to fellow BBC DJ and Peter Crouch podcast host, Chris Stark, for this...

I wonder if Scott will be back stronger with a reply?

Cycling friends with Jeremy Vine episode 1 was a humdinger...it started with Peter Hitchens on a Santander Cycle in Hyde Park, progressed to Hitchens describing Vine as "wheezing uphill towards me, dressed as an insect, with what looked like a periscope on his head". Before, in a shock twist, ending with Vine defending his pal's lack of helmet. 

02 November 2021, 10:38
BBC responds to 'hit by car' headline complaints — insists wording was "fair and accurate"

Remember this one? A reader got in touch to say they had complained to the BBC, citing the Cycling UK media reporting guidelines and "mentioning it would be better to reframe the focus of the headline away from a passive, uncontrollable vehicle". 

The BBC's official line on the headline, which said 'Woman and three children hit by car in South Lanarkshire', is...

We believe it to be a fair and accurate summary – investigations into the incident still ongoing – and would not propose making any changes to the wording at this time.

The BBC has its own guidance which we follow, and the recommendations you highlight are not a part of that

02 November 2021, 10:01
Who hasn't signed for Ineos Grenadiers? Has your contract been lost in the post?

Four signings from Ineos yesterday has left more than a few punters feeling left out. Surely we could do a job in a couple of early season races? You know, get all the free kit and the flash bike, ride on the front during the neutral zone, go back to the car, fail to rejoin the bunch, jump in the car...that sort of thing. 

They've boringly gone down the signing proven talent route...if you missed the news yesterday, Elia Viviani is rejoining the team for 2022, along with Spanish champ Omar Fraile, German U23 champ Kim Heiduk and promising British talent Ben Turner. What have they got that we don't?

02 November 2021, 09:41
Hill climb nationals vid...rain and pain in the Peak District

We've been sent in this recap of all the men's action from Sunday's national hill climb champs. In absence of any live broadcasting it does a pretty strong job of capturing the protagonists, pain and puddles. There's a women's recap coming soon too, so keep your eyes peeled for that...

02 November 2021, 09:33
More accessibility problems at COP26
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Yesterday we brought you the story from Glasgow that security guards at COP26 were asking cyclists to use a footway and had refused to open a barrier on the road. The footway didn't have a ramp over the kerb, however, making it unaccessible to everyone.

Now, the BBC reports an Israeli minister was unable to attend the conference yesterday because it was not wheelchair accessible. The Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett's delegation said they had formally complained to organisers about the issue.

The UK's Environment Secretary, George Eustice, said the incident was "deeply regrettable" and apologised to the Israeli politician.

02 November 2021, 08:49
Traffic cops clash with talkRadio's Cristo Foufas about...CyclingMikey?

Maybe this is life in the metaverse? Three live blog favourites coming together for one royal rumble. In the red corner it's the Surrey Roads Policing Unit's Twitter admin — a defender of all things cycling. In the blue corner it's talkRadio presenter Cristo Foufas — LTN critic and definitely not a defender of all things cycling. The battleground? CyclingMikey.

We begin with Cristo setting his sights on the catcher of law-breaking drivers..."Mikey is such a desperate and weird character. Imagine being so sad as to spend hours at a time at a junction hoping to film inside peoples’ cars. Odd and perhaps even sinister to say the least," talkRadio's finest begins. 

The presenter took issue with CyclingMikey's hands-on approach to catching drivers on their phones and breaking the rules of the road.

In our book that's round one to the traffic cops...

Cristo went straight for the nuclear 'I'm telling your boss' approach, replying: "Interesting. Looking forward to passing this exchange onto senior officers at Surrey Police how you’re endorsing to over 100k followers, a civilian walking in front of a moving vehicle at a junction with no authority, based on the suspicion of an alleged offence. Thanks for clarifying."

This is getting very tasty...time for closing remarks:

For the backstory on these two, a dip into our archives will let you know how we got to this point...

Surrey Road Cops' live blog career is a glittering highlight reel of education and mic drop moments. We had them calling out a safe driving campaign spouting "dangerous advice" about riding two abreast. The time before that they were sliding into the DMs of one driver calling cyclists "dickheads". And it's not all entertainment...last year they explained to their followers why road safety enforcement focuses on drivers.

Cristo's most recent road.cc mention came when he called a caesefire on one LTN debate to ask an anti-LTN account on Twitter to not use language comparing cyclists to rats or vermin. Last summer he ripped up the Highway Code during one of his talkRadio shows, saying: "I am so sick of drivers rightly being held to account for their behaviour on the roads... but cyclists ignore the law with impunity."

Back in March he received many a joke online for complaining about struggling to drive around south London...because of road closures, bus lanes and a lack of parking. 

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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Clem Fandango replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

No, their job is to catch people breaking the law. If they wanted someone to sit on Twitter all day posting snide, uneducated comments, they could ask one of literally millions of people to do it for free.

I can think of at least one

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HarryTrauts replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

No, their job is to catch people breaking the law. If they wanted someone to sit on Twitter all day posting snide, uneducated comments, they could ask one of literally millions of people to do it for free.

 

Your use of the word "leering" = Snide

Your use of "uneducated comments" = snide

In fact, most of what you post on here = snide.

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sean1 replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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If that was the case they wouldn't be policing football matches, protests, etc.  They would simply arrive after someone committed an offence.

Policing is also very much about prevention, public order and guidance.

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wycombewheeler replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

No, their job is to catch people breaking the law. If they wanted someone to sit on Twitter all day posting snide, uneducated comments, they could ask one of literally millions of people to do it for free.

Did they turn down your offer, as your snide uneducated commetsn didn't fit their agenda of making roads safer for cyclistseveryone?

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rct replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Their comments certainly appear more educated than Cristo's, or yours.

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Flintshire Boy replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Like on Road.cc, yeh?

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Flintshire Boy | 3 years ago
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I realise you want to support Nige like always, but unfortunately I can't tell which of the two posts in this thread you are supporting with that statement. The one agreeing with Cristo that people seen to be breaking the law should not be filmed by members of the public? Or the one about posting snide comments on the internet. I suspect the latter but as 95% of your comments are snide digs at other posters or the site in general, and you post on here..........

I suppose that is why you liked your own comment along with racist, violence promoting boo.

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Hirsute replied to Steve K | 3 years ago
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Much better to allow a crash and KSI to occur and sort it out then rather than spend 1% of the cost of that educating folk.

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Velo-drone replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nice twisting of the facts.

Mikey takes close ups through the window because of R vs Barretto debacle which means that unless you capture footage of someone engaging in "interactive communication" then they cannot be penalised.

Change the law to keep up with the times, so that all you need is to capture the phone in their hand and the close ups won't be necessary any more.

Onus should be on the driver to prove they had valid reason to have their phone in hand while driving, given there's virtually no situation in which that is would be the case.

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chrisonabike replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Well that's a kind invitation for us to replay some classics. Some people don't feel the need for windows! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWzvNr_s14

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eburtthebike replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

chrisonatrike wrote:

Well that's a kind invitation for us to replay some classics. Some people don't feel the need for windows! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSWzvNr_s14

"Former boxer Chris Eubank ran a red traffic light as he fled from a bizarre run-in" - Standard's words not mine.

I've already made my thoughts clear on what I'd have preferred Chris Eubank to have justifiably done in the circumstance

"That's all I have to say on this matter."  If only.  Please feel free not to comment on anything else either.

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stomec replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

And on to Surrey Police. "We don't have enough police"... says the policeman sat behind a desk eating doughnuts and posting Twitter comments.

I found this image online... can't remember where or who posted it 

I guess it places Nigel as the lowest of the low

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mdavidford replied to stomec | 3 years ago
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I think you have that one layer too high - there's no evidence that the SRPU twitter poster does eat doughnuts.

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stomec replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
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mdavidford wrote:

I think you have that one layer too high - there's no evidence that the SRPU twitter poster does eat doughnuts.

This is why I was calling him the lowest. 

Don't know why I decided to use this image. 

You can see from his "edit" that he has managed one whole step up now....

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IanMK replied to stomec | 3 years ago
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Absolutely, and then they come back and say it was "just a joke" or "can't you take a joke". For somebody that continuously suggests that cyclists should be more respectful to reckless drivers that put our lives at risk, this is massively disrespectful statement.

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Rendel Harris replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

Completely agree with Cristo

Well colour me shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

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MattieKempy replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Do you get off on being an irredeemable c0ck? Just shut up and crawl back under your rock.

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Sniffer replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

That's all I have to say on this matter.

Excellent news.  Could you widen that scope of your silence please?

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stomec replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

EDIT: It's hardly surprising to see the "institutionally misogynistic" and "sexist" police in lockstep with some of the regular posters here, but if you cannot see the problem with allowing vigilante males to video lone females in their private vehicles then there's something wrong with you.

That's all I have to say on this matter.

 

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sean1 replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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"That's all I have to say on this matter."

This is your best post so far.
 

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open_roads replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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"if you cannot see the problem with allowing vigilante males to video lone females in their private vehicles"

and how do you square that position with the widespread use of in vehicle cameras constantly filming other vehicles, cyclists and pedestrians - typically installed at the front and rear?

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Rendel Harris replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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"That's all I have to say on the matter."laugh

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Sniffer replied to Rendel Harris | 3 years ago
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Silence was golden..... but short lived.

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Clem Fandango replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

Additionally, there are a number of GDPR directives regarding dashcams in fleet vehicles, taxis and the like to precisely stop invasion of privacy in an unreasonable manner.

 

Bloody Cycling Mikey - filming poor downtrodden drivists who are *checks notes* driving on the wrong side of the road  (I mean if that's not reasonable what is?) -  totally unreasonable I tell you.  The swine.

I have plenty more to say on this matter.

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Secret_squirrel replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

So this is a completely different issue compared to the one Surrey police have endorsed, which involves camera-carrying male vigilantes pre-emptively filming inside any car they see fit, superficially for the purposes of "road safety".

BZZZTT Wrong.  Capturing someone in the midst of committing a crime is absolutely permitted under GDPR.  Even if they merely suspect them of commiting a crime if its reasonable and proportionate its 99% ok too.

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brooksby replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

Vehicle cameras (assuming you mean dashcams) aren't positioned in a way as to deliberately invade others' privacy. For example, I have a front dashcam in my car. It films the rear of other vehicles and the road as I'm driving, for the purpose of footage in the case of a collision. It doesn't film inside other vehicles.

Additionally, there are a number of GDPR directives regarding dashcams in fleet vehicles, taxis and the like to precisely stop invasion of privacy in an unreasonable manner.

So this is a completely different issue compared to the one Surrey police have endorsed, which involves camera-carrying male vigilantes pre-emptively filming inside any car they see fit, superficially for the purposes of "road safety".

What exactly is the expectation of privacy if you are driving around breaking the law while in a motor vehicle with windows (made of see-through glass!) on the front, the back, and along both sides?  Why, anyone could look in!

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hawkinspeter replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

What exactly is the expectation of privacy if you are driving around breaking the law while in a motor vehicle with windows (made of see-through glass!) on the front, the back, and along both sides?  Why, anyone could look in!

Surely all the proles would be averting their eyes and doffing their caps whenever their betters are driving past.

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GMBasix replied to Lance ꜱtrongarm | 3 years ago
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Nigel Garage wrote:

EDIT: ... if you cannot see the problem with allowing vigilante males to video lone females in their private vehicles support members of the public recording evidence of criminals ​on the public highway then there's something wrong with you.

FTFY

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Rendel Harris | 3 years ago
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There's been much discussion as to the propriety of using the term "Karen" (certainly my three friends named Karen don't like it) for pompous entitled females who immediately and pointlessly demand to see management the second someone refuses to kowtow to their bullying; perhaps we could start calling that type a Christo instead, as in, "He knocked over his own drink then demanded to see the manager when we wouldn't replace it free of charge. Total Christo."

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Chris Hayes replied to Rendel Harris | 3 years ago
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Have to agree with that. I've always though Karen a beautiful name, but how about just not name calling or labelling...it's bound to upset someone or other...

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