Looks like the ‘greatest cyclist of all time’ debate is alive and kicking again.
It all seemed a done deal on Sunday evening when, in the wake of Tadej Pogačar’s devastating, Cannibal-esque 100km attack to win the world road race championships, Eddy Merckx himself appeared to admit defeat, telling L’Équipe “that it’s obvious that he is now above me”.
“Deep down, I already thought as much when I saw what he did on the last Tour de France, but tonight there’s no more doubt about it,” the Belgian – widely regarded as the finest male rider the sport’s seen – told the French newspaper after Pogačar joined him and Stephen Roche as the only men to secure the Giro-Tour-Worlds triple crown in a single season.
> “It’s obvious that he is now above me”: Eddy Merckx casts his vote in the GOAT debate… and he reckons Pogačar has now nipped ahead with “unimaginable” world championships victory
“Obviously, you can never compare eras, but this is an incredible rider. I didn’t attack with 100 kilometres to go in a world championship, but what he has done is unimaginable. It’s something we’ll remember for a very long time.
“He took a lot of risks against [Mathieu] van der Poel and [Remco] Evenepoel, but that didn’t scare him. That’s when you realise that Pogačar is an immense champion. He’s out of the ordinary.”
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However, after a brief period of reflection on his own cycling legacy, Merckx has suddenly backtracked on his comments, insisting to Spanish site Relevo today that he was simply comparing Pogačar’s exploit in Zurich and his own worlds wins individually, and not their overall careers, before cheekily adding that the UAE Team Emirates rider “has a long way to go to be better than Eddy Merckx”.
When questioned by Relevo on his comments to L’Équipe, Merckx said: “I was referring to what he did at the world championships, on that particular course.
“It was incredible, and I said it like I thought it, but no, beyond that, I don’t think Pogačar is better than Eddy Merckx. He has only won three Tours. He is not better than me yet. He has a long way to go to be better than Eddy Merckx.”
When asked who he thinks, then, is the greatest rider of all time, the five-time Tour de France winner was equally unequivocal.
“I don’t know if it’s right for me to say this, but I think there are few cases of a cyclist who has competed and won so many races from January to December. There was a year in which I did about 190 days of competition. Now, however, they race about 80 days a year, no more.
“Pogačar does a bit of everything, it’s true, but few do what we did, contest the classics, the monuments, and the grand tours by stages. I think there is no comparison.
“He is a very strong cyclist, the best of his generation for sure. But look at what happened last year, Vingegaard was stronger than him at the Tour. And this year, when I think Vingegaard was not yet 100 per cent, he finished second.
“I don’t know, we’ll have to see how the rivalry develops in the coming years. What is clear is that Pogačar has a lot of class.”
Oof. Looks like the GOAT battle – however complicated, contrived, and somewhat meaningless it may be – has recommenced.
(Ed Sykes/SWpix.com)
Of course, as I mentioned on the live blog on Monday, it might be worth pointing out to Merckx – who was quick to note that Pogačar only has three Tours to his name, compared to the Belgian’s five – that at the same age (26), he had only taken two Tour de France victories, and had won the same number of world championship, Tour of Flanders, and Liège-Bastogne-Liège titles as the Slovenian.
To pull at that thread further, Merckx had two Giros to his credit by the time he turned 26, compared to Pogačar’s one, four editions of Milan-Sanremo, which the Slovenian is yet to win (not for want of trying), and two Paris-Roubaixs, which Pogačar is yet to attempt.
However, at that age Merckx was yet to win the Tour of Lombardy (he would go on to win two), while Pogačar is aiming to win his fourth straight Race of the Falling Leaves next Saturday.
Let’s just say, it’ll be worth revisiting this debate in a few years’ time.
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Same here!
I think I'd flog it and buy something smaller and lighter though.
Only on road cc must the driver of a car closely following a professional cyclist be furious at being held up by the cyclist.
Interesting choice of bike for Holden - Landrace Tupelo... I think I'd have gone with a shallower rim profile though, and maybe a smaller chainring.
Here's a surprise - a positive reference to cycling (sort of) in one of the Conservative leadership candidates' speeches -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2024/oct/02/tory-party-confere...
Bicycle tanks!
The Lehairte!
(Bending definitions but not too much else we'd get to the Kettenkrad)
...so alas, we did not give world the bicycle tank though we did arguably give the modern bicycle and definitely the tank.
Finally, we have found it: The missing link between bicycles and electric mountainbikes!
That is an eMTB, isn't it?
The ideal ride for the war on motorists!
Pride or shame?
"If the nineteenth and twentieth centuries were the centuries of ‘progress’, wherein material prosperity and technological advancement appeared within reach of all humanity, the twenty-first century and beyond are the time of reckoning with the ignored externalities and consequences of this progress."
https://www.whp-journals.co.uk/JPS/article/view/1142/773
There was also a very large helping of luck. The industrial revolution only happened where and when it did due to coal mining having technical issues with removing water and the same coal mines provided lots of fuel to allow steam engines to operate. If the solution and problem weren't so closely linked, then it'd be like the chinese inventing gunpowder and not taking full advantage of the military applications.
Some consideration should also be given to the fact that a significant part of the industrial revolution was bankrolled by entrepreneurs who had made their fortunes in the slave trade, that many of its innovations were developed in order to take advantage of the cotton produced by slaves in the Americas, and that the people, including children, who worked in the factories of the industrial revolution weren't treated much better than the aforementioned American slaves. So not necessarily something to point to with unalloyed pride, Mr not very Cleverly.
What does he mean by "gave the world the vaccine (twice)"? Hope one of them wasn't our wonderful AZ covid vaccine, which came after the Biontech one, was less effective than it, and was some banned in some places, because people kept dying. But "world-beating vaccine rollout".
I think there isn't such a really a big connection of cycle road racing and sustainability/cycle commuting.
I know a lot of hobby cyclists who drive hundreds of kilometers or even worse fly to cycle a single race or go cycling vacation. It is quite common expensive bicycle owners have -guess what- expensive cars that are usually large SUVs.
I guess so. Consider the numbers of times we've all been close-passed by some shiny SUV with two even shinier MTBs strapped to the back…
Yeah, definitely. There are notable exceptions who have gone from professional cycling (on either side of the mic) to active travel advocates (Boardman, Boulting) but they are the exception.
Personally, I've had a very circuitous route - from taking up cycling in the late 90s purely for commuting; to getting a 'proper' road bike and doing sportives etc in the mid 2000s; to getting properly interested in the sport on the 2012 wave; to now being full on utility cyclists using a bike as my main form of transport for pretty much everything.
MTB riders are probably an even bigger problem.
That's in cricket, isn't it?
Or golf. Or track running. Baseball, and other field sports (historically anyway). Basically anything on a non-hard surface.
Maybe it could be useful for Cyclocross?
If the spikes were on the shoes and not the pedals my shins would be in a lot better condition
Wow - that's some real dedication to the team - changing her name to match.
There's a difference between being a car enthusiast and a luxury enthusiast.
There's an creeping encroachment of 'luxury' on most people with money. It's fine, they've earned it I suppose, and their success means they will get paid to attach their name to other luxury items. But it comes with the wasteful world on first class travel, disposable everything and resources wasted on unimportant luxury signposting and once you're in, you don't see it, because it's normal.
The opposite of what cycling means to most people, but this isn't about cycling. It's a world most of us can't know, which is a good thing, otherwise the world will be completely doomed.
Eat the rich.
Well, yes ... but that isn't a new thing. People have always indulged their magpie-interests in shiny things whenever they can, and almost all human societies have an "elite" which is profligate with resources. The "waste" - well that is often deliberately so, but who's judging? If it seems you "have to have this new thing / have to go first class / have to fly / have to drive" then it's not waste from your perspective...
Unfortunately the "not sustainable" part (in terms of resources, not in terms of "we can't stand it!") largely comes from the fact we now have a vast number of "little people" all consuming resources at the level of lords of former ages. Even if we don't realise it because we just go and buy what's there not caring how these things came to be or get to us. (And we still feel poor because that's always relative to other people). And living on average for about twice as long as very recently - and quite a bit of that at a "high resource using level" (old with chronic conditions and not particularly "economically productive").
Good for Cav. You know guys, its ok to like cars and bikes at the same time. I'm no fan of SUV's, but not all car fan's drive like c**ts. He'll bag an SUV to transport the big family around in, for sure.
This car is far too small (inside) for a big family but will emit for three (families).
(Apart from looking like the Essex-version of a Ford Puma...)
Seeing as he lives in Essex and the IoM, it'll be a good fit
Ten promotional photos of Cavendish and an SUV on this page as content, and you wonder why the car company signed him up.
Recently, a famous German DJ became an ambassador for another British car brand.
He doesn't even have a driving license.
Car advertising is far more about image than actually getting from A to B.
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