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Researchers hope to run 'drivers passed by themselves' study after high-speed close pass test; Cyclists discuss "optical illusion" cycle lane that drew Rees-Mogg ire; Bizarre Express story blames TikTok for 'half-wheeling trend' + more on the live blog

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28 April 2023, 07:51
Researchers hope to run 'drivers passed by themselves' study after high-speed close pass test

This video comes from Katja Kircher of the Swedish transport research institute VTI who last weekend collected data on how experienced cyclists felt when close passed by the driver of an HGV at distances of one to two metres, at speeds of 50 and 80km/h (31 and 50mph)...

Results to follow, but I'm sure you can all take a decent guess at the way that would make you feel. Katja explained it will take a while to analyse the data but made a policy suggestion that in these real-world scenarios drivers should be "switching lanes, and on narrow roads going over to the other edge and slowing down should be the rule. Clear and easy to understand and to enforce".

Interestingly, she also said she would like to repeat the study but have drivers "passed by themselves" to evaluate the same manoeuvre from both perspectives. "But as demonstration it should maybe be part of taking a driver's licence — that would reach many more people," Katja added.

We're going to get in touch with Katja to find out more...

28 April 2023, 17:48
“It’s problematic to have a value like that”: Researcher calls for better guidelines than “just 1.5 metres” for passing cyclists
Close pass 1.5 metres mat (Cycling UK)

To follow up on the high-speed close pass test which made y'all flock here today morning (and made our entire team question their confidence on rollers), we've got something for you to wrap up this week's final blog.

road.cc reached out to the researcher from Sweden's National Road and Transport Research Institute VTI and Dr Katja Kircher had some really interesting things to say on if there even is one safe passing distance to rule them all, how drivers misinterpret the 1.5 metre rule as the "target space" and not as the "mininum distance", and how it feels to ride a bicycle surrounded by people operating "vehicles to kill".

> “It’s problematic to have a value like that”: Researcher calls for better guidelines than “just 1.5 metres” for passing cyclists

28 April 2023, 15:47
Juan Ayuso wins Tour de Romandie time trial, takes control of GC

Not to be for Matteo Jorgenson, beaten by Juan Ayuso by five seconds...

The UAE Team Emirates rider takes control of the race and now leads by 18 seconds ahead of the Movistar American going into a big weekend of climbing. Tomorrow, the race climbs to 2,090m and the summit finish at Thyon 2000 before a couple of big climbs on Sunday finish the week of climbing.

28 April 2023, 15:18
"Ah, a lovely space to ride my bike..."
28 April 2023, 14:26
Trek-Segafredo part ways with rider who shot and killed cat belonging to San Marino's former head of state
28 April 2023, 13:54
A world champion, four-time Monument winner and Alpecin Deceuninck teammates walk into a bar... (anyone got the punchline?)

Remco Evenepoel and Mathieu van der Poel are back training together in sunny Spain. The Belgian is putting the finishing touches on his Giro d'Italia preparation, Van der Poel rebuilding after an incredibly successful classics campaign, the pair finidng a minute to shade from the sweltering heat at Velosol Cycling Bar in Xalo along with two of the Dutchman's teammates.

28 April 2023, 13:26
Is it April 1st already? Endura teams up with... *checks notes* honey badgers to... *checks notes again*... encourage riders to enjoy the great outdoors to the maximum by clearing their minds from the worries of work

Right, let's try to work this one out together. We get hundreds of press releases from brands, companies, manufacturers, PR companies and more, all fighting for publicity for their products and campaigns... one of today's is this from Endura...

This is Endura's 'Don't Badger Me' campaign, aiming to put the leave back in annual leave... get it? Apparently the Scottish cyclewear manufacturer — who raised eyebrows last month by designing the "world's most graphic cycle helmets" featuring CAT scans of cyclists' brain injuries to encourage helmet wearing — has now "acquired the help of the world's most fearless animals to stand up to badgering bosses, colleagues and clients".

The initiative urges Brits to rid their minds of work worries and enjoy their free time by putting the laptop away and getting behind the handlebars, we're told. Interesting stats provided: four out of five (81 per cent) of Brits spend some of their free time thinking about work... AND since 2002 the honey badger has held the title of 'most fearless animal in the world' by the Guinness Book of World Records. Well, there you go...

In short, go for a bike ride this bank holiday weekend. Unless you're a pro cyclist... then go for a bike ride but don't think about the fact you're going for a bike ride...

STOP PRESS

LATE EDIT... they've offered quotes from a honey badger...no, really...

Horace the honey badger said: "As a honey badger, the two things that define me are giving zero fks and loving the great outdoors. Now I get to merge the two, by playing my part in allowing the brilliant Endura customers to enjoy the UK’s wonderful outdoor environment, all while standing up to irritating bosses and clients by telling them to do one!"

Brilliant.

28 April 2023, 13:09
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28 April 2023, 11:59
Should experiencing a close pass be part of learning to drive?
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Some thoughts on the study from Sweden, with a bit of discussion in the comments about the role cycling could take in learning to drive...

kil0ran: "Unless there's a strong medical exemption I think cycling should be part of the test. If they haven't learnt to cycle then they can always ride a trike. Can be an e-bike too for the unfit. If not all drivers then definitely professional drivers on something other than a car licence."

tigersnapper: "I think it would be a great idea for all drivers to at least go through the close pass scenario even if no cycling is included in the test, as suggested by Kil0ran.  Although for some I suspect it would be 'now I know how scary it can be I'll do it all the more'!"

the little onion: "I think this would be a great alternative to those demonstration mats that the police are using to show appropriate distances during close pass enforcement!"

 And more generally on the theme of close passes (and the effect on your bibs)...

HoldingOn: "For me, the best analysis after that kind of close pass isn't my heart rate, but the colour of my shorts." The instant AG2R edition, as suggested by the little onion...

SimoninSpalding: "1m/ 80kph+ HGV = f***ing scary. Even worse if it is windy. Part of my old commute home had a couple of miles of national speed limit A road with no cycling provision so this was an everyday experience."

28 April 2023, 11:43
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28 April 2023, 10:46
Driver flips car onto side... minutes after seriously injuring cyclist in hit and run
28 April 2023, 10:05
Bizarre Express story blames TikTok for 'half-wheeling trend'

Ah the half-wheeling trend, the latest cycling fad (apparently, according to the Express)...

Express half-wheeling

"The new trend of 'half-wheeling' is causing a stir in the cycling community with it becoming more popular this year after going viral on social media. This is when a cyclist chooses to ride half a wheel's length in front of another cyclist, forcing them to work harder and cycle faster to keep up."

Right.

Lena Farnell of Cycle SOS told the newspaper: "If a fellow cyclist does attempt half-wheeling, calmly yet firmly ask them to stop." There's normally a less polite version for group rides...

"Don't rise to the challenge and attempt to outdo them or cut in front of them as this can lead to further danger and even result in an accident.

"If another member of your cycling group is being directly impacted by this behaviour, slow down your pace and fall back to allow room for them to create some distance."

Despite the trend talk earlier, the Express does later admit it "is not a new concept" and apparently "social media apps like TikTok have helped make half-wheeling more popular, with many now questioning whether it is acceptable etiquette". 

I really don't know what to say. Get off TikTok, you lot, your half-wheeling's dangerous!

28 April 2023, 09:34
Cyclists discuss "optical illusion" cycle lane that drew Rees-Mogg criticism

Some reaction to this one from yesterday...

Jacob Rees-Mogg and Keynsham High Street cycle lane

> Jacob Rees-Mogg calls "optical illusion" cycle lane a "failed experiment" after 59 injuries in a year 

road.cc reader Matt got in touch as a regular user of the infrastructure and told us...

I regularly use Keynsham high street as a pedestrian and cyclist. I'm thankful that the council is putting money into the town.

I don't have any major issues with the design. I'd probably have swapped around the red lane and the middle section maybe. It could obviously be better. But also I'm a bit stunned by how many people trip.. has anyone thought the more you look the more you see? The stats need comparing to something else to put it into context.

The changes have made traffic considerably slowly and safer for pedestrians and cyclists and the high street has a real buzz compared to the narrow pedestrian lanes before.

There are still issues with congestion but until people chose not to drive how will that change.. Changes are made by people, and places are nicer with less cars.

In the comments, the little onion said: "So there is a pedestrian risk with a trip hazard on a kerb, due to colouring, profiling etc. This could be resolved easily enough with appropriate painting. But the solution is to scrap the cycling provision entirely, and increase vehicular traffic? Am I understanding this correctly?"

Global Nomad said it "sounds like inconsistent design details — one of the first lessons when dealing with public surfaces is to provide consistent relationships — why steps should all be the same size/height and why boundaries likewise — sounds like the relationship in levels between the pavement, cycle path and road  keep changing.

"What you know from one section doesn't apply a few metres down the road. Small steps or level changes can often be more dangerous than larger ones due to being harder to spot. As usual JRM avoids analysis and twists a solution to fit a different problem."

hawkinspeter: "Calling for the lane to be removed is kinda stupid, when the issue is obviously the particular implementation. Wouldn't it just be easier to repaint the kerb?"

Anyway, happy Friday!

Rees Mogg Recumbentt

 

 

28 April 2023, 09:23
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Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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SimoninSpalding replied to brooksby | 1 year ago
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Would this be the same period when the equipment needed to resuscitate an unconscious person was a cigarette and a set of bellows.

https://blog.sciencemuseum.org.uk/saving-lives-with-a-puff-of-smoke/

And people think CPR is traumatic...

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hawkinspeter replied to SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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SimoninSpalding wrote:

Would this be the same period when the equipment needed to resuscitate an unconscious person was a cigarette and a set of bellows.

https://blog.sciencemuseum.org.uk/saving-lives-with-a-puff-of-smoke/

And people think CPR is traumatic...

That reminds me of a bloke that got arrested for buying several smoke machines from a shop.

Turned out he was a member of an extreme mist group

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Rendel Harris replied to hawkinspeter | 1 year ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

That reminds me of a bloke that got arrested for buying several smoke machines from a shop.

Turned out he was a member of an extreme mist group

Affiliated to DRISIS.

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chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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RE Educating drivers. Start 'em young and give 'em experience of using *every* mode, I say.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d0yzZLVsTCE

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tigersnapper | 1 year ago
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I think it would be a great idea for all drivers to at least go through the close pass scenario even if no cycling is included in the test, as suggested by Kil0ran.  Although for some I suspect it would be 'now I know how scary it can be I'll do it all the more'!

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the little onion replied to tigersnapper | 1 year ago
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I think this would be a great alternative to those demonstration mats that the police are using to show appropriate distances during close pass enforcement!

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BalladOfStruth replied to the little onion | 1 year ago
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Are those the same demonstration mats that measure the 1.5m passing distance from the cyclist's tyre to the car's tyre, missing potentially 40cm of handlebar and 30cm or wing/door/side mirror, therefore training drivers to give around half of the minimum safe passing distance?

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EK Spinner replied to BalladOfStruth | 1 year ago
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and the same mats that say riders should be 750mm from the edge of the road !

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mctrials23 replied to tigersnapper | 1 year ago
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100%. Make it mandatory for drivers to do it for their test and also every few years just to remind them how much of a cunt their fellow drivers are to cyclists and how much fun it is. People who do it are selfish pricks so perhaps if they can feel how horrible and scary it is themselves they might stop doing it. 

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jaysa replied to tigersnapper | 1 year ago
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I was driven off the road yesterday by an oncoming BMW. Had to stop in the gutter and lean left to avoid his door mirror. Once the police have finished, it'll be on NMOTD.
I'd like the police to enable close pass victims to re-enact their passes with roles reversed so that drivers understand how our lives can be endangerd.

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HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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For me, the best analysis after that kind of close pass isn't my heart rate, but the colour of my shorts.

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the little onion replied to HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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Instant Ag2R team edition?

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SimoninSpalding | 1 year ago
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1m/ 80kph+ HGV = f***ing scary. Even worse if it is windy. Part of my old commute home had a couple of miles of national speed limit A road with no cycling provision so this was an everyday experience.

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kil0ran | 1 year ago
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Unless there's a strong medical exemption I think cycling should be part of the test. If they haven't learnt to cycle then they can always ride a trike. Can be an ebike too for the unfit. If not all drivers then definitely professional drivers on something other than a car license.

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