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The pain doesn't end at the finish line... Carlos Rodríguez taken out by broadcast crew after Tour de France stage; Cycling UK figure questions Telegraph claim "Britain's cycling boom went bust"; Vingegaard's bonkers climbing times + more on the live blog

Another double-header of Tour and Giro action, with Dan Alexander (optimistically) trying to keep on top of that plus everything else in the cycling universe this Thursday

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06 July 2023, 07:55
The pain doesn't end at the finish line... Carlos Rodríguez taken out by broadcast crew after Tour de France stage

After four-and-a-half hours of brutal Pyrenean Tour de France action, ascents of an HC and first-category mountain and battling to stay alongside Tadej Pogačar, David Gaudu, Mattias Skjelmose, Simon Yates and the rest of the best riders dropped by Jonas Vingegaard's dominant attack, you probably just want to get back on the bus, have a shower, lie down and eat some proper food.

Quite far from the top of your list of 'things you'd love to do', I'd imagine, would be... getting knocked over by a backstepping sound guy...

Too cynical to suggest Netflix creating their own drama for season two of Unchained? There's a whole overspilling car park's worth of broadcasters at the Tour so perhaps unfair to blame the docuseries makers just yet. Surprising the guy didn't hear Rodríguez coming... sorry, there was absolutely no need for that atrocious brand of 'comedy' this early in the day...

Moving swiftly on...

Great piss-boiling work from Adam here...

06 July 2023, 15:24
Tour de France over already? Think again! Tadej Pogačar roars back into contention with memorable stage win

A stage win AND 28 seconds back on GC, we leave the Pyrenees with Pogačar 25 seconds behind new yellow jersey Jonas Vingegaard. But today was about more than just seconds, a leader's jersey and a stage, it was proof that the Tour de France, which many believed was already decided after yesterday's dominance, still has plenty of life in it yet.

Sealed with a bow...

Jai Hindley's day in yellow was just that, he drops to third on GC, 1:34 behind Vingegaard. Shout-out to Brit James Shaw who took fifth from the breakaway. A huge step up from the British domestic scene two years ago... 

06 July 2023, 14:59
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Tourmalet times

 

06 July 2023, 14:51
Mips new Spherical tech looks good... so fancy they've written the description in latin

We're used to a fair bit of pretentious marketing tosh from cycling brands, but... 

Mips latin

In fairness to them we're guessing this is just a mistake, and we make plenty of them. But hey, nothing says cutting-edge safety tech like an explainer in an ancient language hardly anyone understands any more...

06 July 2023, 14:15
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Another social media app! Whether naming it after a terrifying apocalyptic film about the aftermath of a nuclear war is the best idea from Mr Zuckerberg will remain to be seen, but if you're checking it out you can now follow us in any case (and listen to our latest podcast)... 

06 July 2023, 14:07
Riders all over the mountain as Jumbo-Visma light up the Tourmalet

Now yellow jersey Jai Hindley has been dropped by the pace of Sepp Kuss, towing Jonas Vingegaard and Tadej Pogačar clear. Wout van Aert in the breakaway is presumably going to be very useful over the other side of the Tourmalet. Before then the breakaway, including Nottingham's James Shaw, have a whole lot of KOM points and a €5,000 prize to fight for. 

AND HE'S GONE...

Acceleration from the Dane and it's 1 vs 1... 

06 July 2023, 13:58
Another day. Another Annemiek van Vleuten Giro stage win

Number three of the week...

Van Vleuten now leads by 3:56 over second-placed Juliette Labous and looks almost certain to win a fourth Giro maglia rosa of her career, what would be an eighth Grand Tour too. Oh, and she's still got Tour de France Femmes to come before she retires at the end of this season. I guess we should be enjoying every dominant win while we can... 

06 July 2023, 12:02
Antonia Niedermaier cleared of fractures after shocking Giro crash, will return to Germany today

Thankfully the extent of Giro Donne breakthrough stage winner Antonia Niedermaier's injuries from that terrible crash yesterday is some now-repaired damage to her teeth. 

Canyon-SRAM confirmed: "At Cuneo hospital, she’s been cleared of any fractures. She has some damage to her teeth, which has been repaired. "She will return home to Germany tomorrow. We're sending our best wishes to Antonia, who's bitterly disappointed to leave the Giro."

Jayco-AlUla's Urška Žigart was also involved and "suffered a light concussion and skin abrasions" and has also left the race.

06 July 2023, 11:53
How skinny is that top tube?! Unreleased Factor O2 VAM breaks cover at Tour de France
06 July 2023, 11:40
Trip to the Tourmalet
2023 Tour de France stage 6 (ASO)

A big ol' climb today... 

Thanks to the good folks over at Strava, that's what the ascent looks like, what sort of time we can expect, and all the vital stats...

A fun fact for you as well, 75 per cent of the peloton (131 out of 176) are on Strava, here are the best of the bunch to drop a follow and track their progress...

> Tour de France 2023: The best pros to follow on Strava during the world's biggest bike race 

06 July 2023, 11:37
Learner driver who was speeding and on a phone call, jailed for killing 63-year-old man cycling to work
06 July 2023, 10:26
Skills

Less impressed by those grates...

06 July 2023, 10:18
"The bike boom is measured by bike use, not bike sales": Your thoughts on The Telegraph declaring "Britain's cycling boom is bust"
Telegraph story 4th July 2023

Some reaction...

Matthew Acton-Varian: "Of course when people keep up cycling, they are not going to keep the perfectly good machine they are currently using, and go out and unnecessarily buy a new one. In the middle of a financial crisis. So that must be why bike sales have dropped. I can't imagine the financial crisis, or the fact that more people actually now have a bike they bought only a couple of years ago to ride actually being the reason..." 

Do I detect a hint of sarcasm?

cyclisto: "The bike boom is measured by bike use, not bike sales."

OmarCuoreMatto: "People who went back to cycling in recent years generally bought a bicycle once and are going to stick to it for many years to come. Measuring the success of cycling from the sale figures for new bicycles makes no sense."

06 July 2023, 09:11
"There are no more borders in the European Union. However, you will always know where the Netherlands begins."
06 July 2023, 08:45
Cycling UK figure questions Telegraph claim that "Britain's bike boom went bust"

Cycling was back in The Telegraph again on Monday in a very on-brand way...

Telegraph story 4th July 2023

'So how did Britain's cycling boom go bust,' I hear you ask...

Well, according to the national broadsheet, the 'golden age of cycling' seen during the pandemic has dropped off a cliff with bike sales down (they've fallen to the lowest level in 20 years, to be fair), plus all the supply chain and component shortage issues we've heard a thousand times before in the past few years.

Even Roger Geffen, a policy director at charity Cycling UK, admitted to the newspaper's reporter "we do seem to have lost sight of that silver lining" cycling enjoyed during the pandemic. "Some of the people have carried on – long may that continue – but we did miss an opportunity," he suggested.

However, has the bike boom gone bust? Sharing the piece on social media, Geffen's Cycling UK colleague Sarah McMonagle highlighted a different point from the piece... there are still 11% more bikes on the road than there were pre-pandemic...

P.S. see evidence of Britain's bust state of cycling below... 

06 July 2023, 08:16
Jonas Vingegaard's bonkers climbing times

 

06 July 2023, 08:10
REVIEW: Trek Émonda ALR 5 2023
2023 Trek Émonda ALR5 - riding 4.jpg

> REVIEW: Trek Émonda ALR 5 2023

The tyres hold it back a bit, but underneath is a comfortable alloy road bike with a great performance...

How many stars did Stu give it? 

06 July 2023, 13:50

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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Patrick9-32 replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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Classic disembodied car reporting from the BBC, they mention the brand and model of the car that drove itself into the school before they mention that the driver exists. 

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IanMSpencer replied to Patrick9-32 | 1 year ago
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Patrick9-32 wrote:

Classic disembodied car reporting from the BBC, they mention the brand and model of the car that drove itself into the school before they mention that the driver exists. 

"I don't know what happened - I was just a passenger"???

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mattw replied to IanMSpencer | 1 year ago
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That sounds like the excuse we will get for people travelling in self-driving cars.

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chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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RE: you will always know where the Netherlands begins.

Just for context as there may be some people saying "look - Dutch rubbish!  Narrow cycle lanes, not paths, and dashed so "optional",  on a 60km/h road!

First - as ever BicycleDutch has a good article explaining this kind of thing.  This doesn't seem to be a "no overtaking bikes" area but cars would only be expected to enter the lanes if necessary.  So for a careful overtake of a cycle or to avoid a vehicle coming the other way.  Unlike our "means nothing" advisory lanes in the UK I think most people actually follow the rules in NL.

Second - something like this could be a good "upgrade" for some of our "but no money or space for cycle infra" country roads.  Unfortunately in the UK that would need a) a huge reduction in traffic volume (and speed) and b) a couple of generations of reprogramming of our driving culture.

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wtjs replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Unlike our "means nothing" advisory lanes in the UK I think most people actually follow the rules in NL

Just like our 'means nothing' warning letters and Highway Code 'advisory 1.5m clearance':

https://upride.cc/incident/md72dfu_alanhowardtrafic_closepass/

 

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chrisonabike replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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Good upride, can't decide if it's just good old MGIF (ignoring "slow" and the blind corner up ahead) or a particularly dozy "follow my leader" of the van in front.

Everyone's a winner - they didn't hit you (nothing to see here say polis), Alan Howard "the partner of choice for people whose staf don't drive 'professionally' " have got some advertising and you have a "story". surprise

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wtjs replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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Alan Howard "the partner of choice for people whose staff don't drive 'professionally'"

In the first series of The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, there was a condemnation of people and things the Earth could well do without, such as a profusion of shoe shops all controlled by the same company- hair and beauty professionals belong on the list

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chrisonabike replied to wtjs | 1 year ago
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Essential service, innit?  It's a wonder they didn't just stick a blue light on top...

Presumably got several hundred kilos of conditioner and nail varnish in the back of that van.

Snark aside in this day and age it's a wonder people with livery vehicles don't give their staff (or themselves) the talk about not driving so badly.  Or is it we all know that our culture doesn't actually care about this...?

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wtjs replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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 it's a wonder people with livery vehicles don't give their staff (or themselves) the talk about not driving so badly

It's not a wonder in Lancashire! There are no consequences to any offences against cyclists here. You'll remember this one, where I'm still battling against the unholy alliance of Lancashire Constabulary and the Information Commissioner

https://upride.cc/incident/4148vz_travellerschoicecoach_closepass/

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Robert Hardy replied to chrisonabike | 1 year ago
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We could make a start by reducing the national maximum limit to 50mph and enforcing it properly with a much more general use of average speed cameras.
A reduction for less than motorway standard duel carriageways to 60mph is also in order.

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Hirsute replied to Robert Hardy | 1 year ago
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On hols we were on 2,  2 or 3 lane dual carriageways with a 40 limit due to the barrier upgrades. We compared this to drving the last couple miles home, 60, single carriageway, no barriers.

I do think 60 is too high for single carriageway given the power and weight of modern vehicles.

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chrisonabike replied to Robert Hardy | 1 year ago
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Won't you think of the drivers (and their passengers)?  We should look at stopping any overtaking - ideally via physical barriers - to keep people safe.

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brooksby | 1 year ago
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The pain doesn't end at the finish line... Carlos Rodríguez taken out by broadcast crew after Tour de France stage

He's lucky his bike didn't break into three pieces... 

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weejobbie | 1 year ago
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Quick google search finds the followign:

"The number of new passenger cars being bought and sold in the UK slumped to record lows in 2022. However, April 2023 did see a ninth consecutive month of growth for the UK new car market.

There were 1.61 million new cars registered for the whole of 2022 - around 700,000 registrations below pre-Covid levels. This means sales were down 2.0% on pandemic-affected 2021 levels.

New passenger car sales were already down by 28.7% on pre-pandemic levels in 2021 and have failed to bounce back due to the ongoing impact of the global semiconductor shortage and the war in Ukraine affecting supply chains."

Not just cycle purchases that have droped off.

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Hirsute replied to weejobbie | 1 year ago
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There will be new cars bought as 92% are bought on a finance deal. At the end of the deal or a breakpoint, you buy it or get a new one and continue paying.
Judging by the replacement of vehicles round my way (every 2 or 3 years) people are just continuing the finance deals to get a new vehicle.

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Robert Hardy replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Rising interest rates presumably are having severe consequences in the lease market.

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Hirsute replied to Robert Hardy | 1 year ago
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No doubt only a very small %, but some people are in car poverty as they are locked in.

You can give it back after 50% is paid but as anyone with a repayment mortage will know, it takes a very long time to get to that point (last 5 or 6 years out of 25 ?)

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Simon E replied to Hirsute | 1 year ago
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Hirsute wrote:

some people are in car poverty as they are locked in.

'Poverty' really is not the appropriate word for idiots on a reasonable wage(s) who choose to sign up to a lease agreement without thinking about the consequences because having a shiny 72-plate car on the driveway/pavement matters so much to them. We're not talking about 20 year-olds with an old Corsa who is on mimum wage and struggling to find the money for insurance, repairs etc so they can get to work.

It's the same as the people who love spending money they don't have, they put their lifestyle-created debt on a 0% credit card transfer then moan when the card company starts nagging them to start paying off the interest. What did they expect?

It's been obvious that the car lease market has been a ticking time-bomb for years. I think it's extraordinarily stupid that people choose to get a brand new car every 3 years when they know they don't have the cash to buy it outright/pay it off.

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Hirsute replied to Simon E | 1 year ago
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I think it is just the term used.
But agree with your comments.

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Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Yes, Torygraph, of course when people keep up cycling, they are not going to keep the perfectly good machine they are currently using, and go out and unneccessarily buy a new one. In the middle of a financial crisis. So that must be why bike sales have dropped. I can't imagine the financial crisis, or the fact that more people actually now have a bike they bought only a couple of years ago to ride actually being the reason... 

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IanMK replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Of course, some might have bought bikes in order to reduce their carbon footprint and do something, however small, to avert climate disaster. The Torygraph, of course, are more worried that cyclists are not consuming enough. 

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Matthew Acton-Varian replied to IanMK | 1 year ago
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Either way, they were probably purchased at the beginning of the pandemic.

I will admit I have more than one bike (one winter/commuter, one summer/racer, one MTB and one track bike) but not everyone wants or needs that. But I have not bought a new bike (to me at least, all mine are secondhand) in 3 years. Not going to get a new one until one breaks. But I still do nearly 5000 miles a year.

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Robert Hardy replied to Matthew Acton-Varian | 1 year ago
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Absolutely, I consider my bike, bought in 2018 as a very new bike, my other one, a mountain bike somewhat townified was bought in 1998 and still functions very adequately.

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cyclisto | 1 year ago
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The bike boom is measured by bike use, not bike sales. I commute on cycle more now, but I don't intend to replace my 10+year old bike indefinitely as it still looks super cool to me, is full of memories and I am too lazy to start searching for optimal seating on a new bicycle, changing stems and playing with seatpost height. And with the current greedflated prices I am happy I don't feel like needing to replace.

My primitive consumerism insticts can be perfectly satisfied with simpler things, like that cheap Decathlon rubber mount bell that I finally managed to mount elegantly in my drop bars, but still wouldn't have prevented this poor guy from his fall. He should just have been a little more careful, but after a pro race he must had been kind of zombie.

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Pub bike replied to cyclisto | 1 year ago
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New bikes are more likely to be stolen because the Police do not do anything about people that steal bikes, so there is an incentive to use a bike that isn't or doesn't look brand new.   If the Telegraph wants cyclists to buy new bikes it should call out the lack of Police attention to bike theft.

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HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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A much needed mass-cycling-video to combat my already stressful day - thank you.

Although I didn't see Steve K waving - did they miss you again?!

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Steve K replied to HoldingOn | 1 year ago
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HoldingOn wrote:

A much needed mass-cycling-video to combat my already stressful day - thank you.

Although I didn't see Steve K waving - did they miss you again?!

Yes, they bloody did.  I think I just go through too early.

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HoldingOn replied to Steve K | 1 year ago
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or too fast - you've slipped through between camera frames....

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OmarCuoreMatto | 1 year ago
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People who went back to cycling in recent years generally bought a bicycle once and are going to stick to it for many years to come. Measuring the success of cycling from the sale figures for new bicycles makes no sense.

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quiff replied to OmarCuoreMatto | 1 year ago
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Exactly - it's that moto-centric view where the press seems obsessed with reporting new car sales figures.

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