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Police install 'give cyclists room' signs...local asks for 'cyclists single file' version; Cycling UK defends West Kernow Way muddy trails; Gino Mäder donates €4,500 to charity; Alex Cow-sett; Cav Netflixbombs Movistar; TOB TTT + more on the live blog

It's Tuesday and another belter on the weather front...join Dan Alexander for the second live blog of the week...

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07 September 2021, 15:47
"Applaud the motive, but five minutes to check with a grown up before heading for the photocopier wouldn't hurt": Reaction to Leicestershire Police's signs...and one local's alternative

Mark Sayner led the way with the reaction to the main blog story of the day...putting forward the radical idea of "A better deterrent would be if the police acted on incidents with meaningful prosecutions/fines/licence withdrawals instead of the usual soft-touch improvement courses".

Gareth Roberts changed our headline..."Local asks for 'cyclists make it easier for me to scrape by you' sign."

In the comments under the live blog, Mungecrundle applauded the idea, but couldn't help but think the execution could be improved: "Give cyclists space sign: The car is overtaking on the left. The cyclist should be more central within the area of the sign to indicate that they should be in secondary at least, not in the gutter with the drain covers and broken glass. A 1.5m distance measurement would be a useful addition. Applaud the motive, but 5 minutes to check with a grown up before heading for the photocopier wouldn't hurt."

On a similar note, mdavidford added: "Nice idea on the passing cyclists signs, but the actual design could use some work. Firstly, it says 'Give cyclists plenty of room' and then shows a car giving barely a handlebar's width - about twice that would be nice. Secondly, why is that bike riding itself? Showing it without a rider just helps to depersonalise 'cyclists' - making people focus on the bike, rather that the person riding it."

Anyone else got any more?

07 September 2021, 15:03
British Cycling plots path to Paris following record-breaking Tokyo Games
Bethany Shriever and Kye Whyte at Tokyo 2020 (copyright Alex Broadway, SWpix.com).JPG

British Cycling has published its strategy for the 2024 Olympic campaign, building upon the record-breaking success of the Tokyo Olympic and Paralympic Games. While the results at the elite level are what makes headlines, British Cycling has wider goals, such as growing the organisation's membership to 250,000 and increasing the number of cycling clubs and groups with young people riding in them by 20 per cent.

GB topped the cycling medal table at both the Olympic and Paralympic Games this summer, surpassing the total medal count from London 2012 and Rio 2016. The success included ground-breaking success in mountain biking, BMX and BMX freestyle.

"As another incredible summer of cycling draws to a close, today I’m delighted to present a new purpose, strategy and vision for British Cycling, with the ambition of extending our proud history of medal success, renewing our commitment to the grassroots of the sport and making our organisation more relevant, inclusive and familiar to Britain’s communities than ever before," British Cycling CEO Brian Facer said.

07 September 2021, 14:17
Ineos Grenadiers dominate Tour of Britain time trial to put Ethan Hayter into the race leader's jersey

 Ineos Grenadiers were comfortable winners on stage three of the Tour of Britain this afternoon, taking the team time trial by 17 seconds ahead of Deceuninck-Quick-Step and 20 quicker than Jumbo-Visma. Ethan Hayter moves into the race leader's jersey; teammate Rohan Dennis is second, six seconds back. 

Wout van Aert and Julian Alaphilippe are now the closest rivals to the Ineos pair, at 16 and 23 seconds respectively. Stage two hero Robin Carpenter dropped out of the top ten as Rally Cycling finished 11th. 

Tomorrow, the race heads to Great Orme and finishes with a 1.9km at 9.2 per cent summit finish, peaking with one kilometre at 12.5 per cent.

07 September 2021, 13:44
Can we move in too? Jay Vine's wife rustles up full English for Grand Tour debutant

No black pudding? We'll forgive it because of how top-notch the rest of it looks. Now I'm hungry again. Great. 

07 September 2021, 13:22
This is going well...

 We brought you the surreal news this morning that Spurs and Chelsea fans have been urged to cycle to the 'world's first net zero carbon football match', next Sunday's London derby between the two of the Premier League's early pace setters. As you can see above, there have been some inconsistencies on that front...

07 September 2021, 13:08
Netflixbombing Cav swaps teams...Movistar consider Miguel Ángel López's future

Cav in, Miguel Ángel López out? The Spanish team are reportedly considering terminating the Colombian's contract after he stormed out of the Vuelta a España on the penultimate stage after missing a split.

Team boss Eusebio Unzué ripped into his rider in a radio interview yesterday evening, confirming a presenter's question about if López's contract being ripped up is being considered...

"It’s one of the options, that’s clear," Unzué said. "We’ve wanted to put a bit of distance between things, analyse the Vuelta, and in a couple of days take the definitive decision."

07 September 2021, 11:50
South Western Railway improves cycling facilities at six stations
Bournemouth Station (Google maps StreetView)

The Bournemouth Echo reports South Western Railway has announced the completion of improvements to six cycle parking schemes at stations across Dorset. Weymouth, Dorchester South, Wareham, Parkstone, Gillingham and Bournemouth Station have all benefited from the works.

There is now increased parking, as well as upgraded CCTV. Similar works were completed at Sherborne's station last year. 

Cllr Mike Greene, Portfolio Holder for Transport and Sustainability at BCP Council said: "I am delighted that BCP Council has been able to assist South Western Railway in introducing these CCTV-monitored cycle racks in Bournemouth and Parkstone Stations. It is a relatively minor start but helps address a real need.

“Not only does this make it more accessible for those who cycle on their commute, but it is very much in line with the council’s effort to encourage people to choose more sustainable ways to get about ways to get about."

07 September 2021, 11:34
Places we'd rather be...Annemiek van Vleuten pedals past paradise

Add it to your bucket list...how good does that look? 

07 September 2021, 10:44
Police install 'give cyclists room' signs...local asks for 'cyclists single file' version

Thoughts on these new signs Leicestershire Police have been putting up? Can't be a bad thing to keep informing motorists...

Ana Blanquete certainly thought so, she replied: "Love this! Plenty of times shouting 'roads are for vehicles, not just cars' to careless drivers."

Someone who did not, however, was the one local who thought he had a much better idea: a sign reminding cyclists they 'must' ride single file. Among the amusing replies was this one from RC D Mitchum explaining, "Police only deal with crimes mate. Riding abreast is not only legal, it's recommended by police and driving instructors." 

Beyond this part of the discussion, some wondered what difference the signs would make on a road such as the one shown, as drivers would likely squeeze past anyway. Another user set their sights on winning the 'niche alternative sign' award...thankfully not about cyclists...but demanding a "sign for horse riders not to use mobile phones"...

07 September 2021, 10:09
Alex Dowsett goes wildlife watching at the Tour of Britain

We shared the snaps of the highland cows out on the stage two route yesterday...but what about the baa-rmy army getting a little too close to the action?

07 September 2021, 09:09
Cycling UK statement on West Kernow Way

We got in touch with Cycling UK for a bit more reaction to the West Kernow Way kerfuffle...

Hopefully it shouldn't come as a surprise to the UK-based cyclist that if you head off-road pretty much at any time of year potentially there will be mud!

At Cycling UK, we don't want to give people the wrong impression about the adventure routes we're creating - they are tough and challenging but also filled with history and the variety of natural beauty which makes riding through our countryside so attractive. 

This type of cycling isn't for everyone of course, but for those who like that type of riding it's a whole world of fun. Catering for this sort of riding, doesn't just give the leisure off-road rider somewhere to go though, but also has massive tourism benefits for rural communities and is a vital part of our off-road campaigning on improving access in England and Wales.

It's a bit of a leap though to suggest by doing vital work in this area, we're ignoring the wider needs to improve everyday cycling. The recent changes we've helped bring to the Highway Code for cycling, adoption of our calls for increased funding by the Welsh and Scottish governments, ongoing legal battle in Shoreham and more clearly show our commitment in this area.

The great thing about Cycling UK is that we're working to support all types of cycling, cyclists and potential cyclists too - hopefully that's something everyone who enjoys cycling or wants to cycle more can support.

07 September 2021, 08:55
Vuelta white jersey Gino Mäder donates €4,500 to charity

He promised to donate €1 to charity for every rider he beat on stages of the Vuelta a España...who knew Gino Mäder would end up fifth on GC and wearing the white jersey? That made it a hefty €3,159 bill, but Mäder went one step further and added on €10 for each rider he beat on GC too — what a good sport.

Justdiggit, a charity aiming to 'regreen' Africa in the next ten years, is the deserving charity the Swiss rider will help out.

07 September 2021, 07:45
Cycling UK defends West Kernow Way after criticism of overly muddy trails

Cycling UK defended its headline new route, the West Kernow Way, after some on social media objected to the pictures used to promote the ride showing challenging muddy trails. On its website Cycling UK is upfront about the route being a challenge and that "there are a few short sections that were very wet and boggy even in June." Although some have said these were mysteriously missing from the route's glossy promotional video (at the bottom of this post), and the picture above of one such sector, didn't go down too well with some...

To which Cycling UK responded...

However, for every person slamming the state of that trail, there was also someone ready to say you should expect some sticky sections on a 230km off-road route here in the UK. Some also pointed out that Cycling UK had done well to join up existing routes and lost trails into a challenging route, and unlike Sustrans and the Canal & River Trust — it doesn't hold responsibility for creating and maintaining the routes.

What do you reckon? Are a couple of muddy trails a dealbreaker for you? Have you been put off? Or does the challenge make you more likely to take a trip down to the South West?

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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mdavidford replied to Mungecrundle | 3 years ago
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One would hope. Experience suggests otherwise.

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Philh68 replied to Mungecrundle | 3 years ago
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You've seen NMOTD, clearly there's a number who didn't get that message.

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eburtthebike replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

They probably borrowed the graphic from a US website, didn't they...

Almost certainly, but as a someone who had to give instructions for others to follow in engineering, you always, always, always show the situation from the point of view of the person doing it.  Showing it the opposite way around will just cause confusion and mistakes; not really what you want from a safety campaign.

Nice idea, appalling implementation.

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mdavidford | 3 years ago
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Nice idea on the passing cyclists signs, but the actual design could use some work.

Firstly, it says 'Give cyclists plenty of room' and then shows a car giving barely a handlebar's width - about twice that would be nice.

Secondly, why is that bike riding itself? Showing it without a rider just helps to depersonalise 'cyclists' - making people focus on the bike, rather that the person riding it.

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HoarseMann replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
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Good points, it is quite an impersonal message.

I've posted it before, but I quite liked this approach...

https://goo.gl/maps/zAn8bMT3isvYX5gGA

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Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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One item that is being missed from all the hoohaa over CUK & The West Kernow Way is how much CUK have done during the development process to identify lapsed and wrongly recorded paths as footpaths and the amount of submissions they have made to the local council to get them reclassified or upgraded.

The guide is clear in saying there are bits that are marked as footpaths for which they have submitted long term evidence for higher usage - so they are explicitly guiding bikes down it.  There is a footnote to explain that politely to other users of the paths.

I think this is to be congratulated but its almost certain to pop up as "cyclists invading our footpaths" at some point in a local rag or soshal medja post.

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Rapha Nadal | 3 years ago
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Muddy off-road is muddy shocker.  Fucking people, honestly. 

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Awavey replied to Rapha Nadal | 3 years ago
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It's not billed as a muddy off road trail though, the glossy promo video shows lots of hard packed gravel trails, even roads with the occasional puddle, not ankle deep mud sections in June, and corrugated surface bridleways with large rocks to negotiate.

Guy Kesteven,who wrote the official guide book for the trail,has just published a set of videos on his YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/c/GuyKestevenTV/ documenting the route and it shows it's far more challenging to ride than youd expect, which is peoples gripe.

Because you'll struggle to ride it on anything other than a MTB from what I've seen of it, which completely alters its appeal as a useful route to follow.

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brooksby replied to Awavey | 3 years ago
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Reading CUKs explanations, I think I'd misunderstood what this route is intended to be.

If they are actually marketing it as a signposted but very definitely off-road then I'm not sure that it being so unsurfaced particularly matters.

Gnarly route for the MTBers, I guess: cyclepackers rather than cycle tourists.

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Secret_squirrel replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

If they are actually marketing it as a signposted but very definitely off-road

I've had the guidebook since the weekend.  They are explicitly marketing it as NOT signposted and not to be attempted without a GPS.

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Awavey replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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Does the guide use the colour coding MTBers would be familiar with for forest trails, to at least indicate which are the gnarly bits you might want to avoid ?

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brooksby replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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Secret_squirrel wrote:

brooksby wrote:

If they are actually marketing it as a signposted but very definitely off-road

I've had the guidebook since the weekend.  They are explicitly marketing it as NOT signposted and not to be attempted without a GPS.

Well, then I stand corrected and I'll wind my neck back in!  4  3

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HoarseMann replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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brooksby wrote:

If they are actually marketing it as a signposted

They are not marketing it as a signposted route.

https://www.cyclinguk.org/article/west-kernow-way-faqs#signposted

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ktache replied to Awavey | 3 years ago
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It was very wet this May and June, my muddy commute continued during July and only started drying out in August.  Just one of those summers.

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the little onion | 3 years ago
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On the Kernow way story - at least Cycling UK is honest. They are being absolutely clear on the conditions of the route, and the appropriate mindset and equipment needed. If this was Sustrans, they would have badged it as part of the Notional Cycling Network [sic], with the implicit assumption that it can be used by anyone on any type of bike.

 

To be honest, those photos don't look that much different from many sections of Sustran's Notional Cycling Network

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eburtthebike replied to the little onion | 3 years ago
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Beat me to it, and I'm stealing the "Notional Cycling Network".

TBH, having used quite a few Sustrans NCN tracks, this is no different, but CUK tell you about the mud upfront if you can be bothered to read the info they provide you with.

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brooksby replied to the little onion | 3 years ago
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If an organised trail was that muddy, I'd consider that to be a failure.  We complain about being told to dismount in urban areas - why is it any different if a flagship rural route forces you to do so?

 

(TBH it looks like the Pill Path along the Avon, going from Bristol to Pill, if it rained at any time in the preceding week.  And that is a NCN route, IIRC...).

EDIT: See my later comment replying to Rapha Nadal

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hopster replied to the little onion | 3 years ago
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I did bits of the route a while ago. That muddy section is pretty short and could be avoided. Not sure why there is such a load of people complaining when the Ridgeway has similar, if not worse sections on the KAW when it's been wet. 

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HarrogateSpa replied to hopster | 3 years ago
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It seems odd to use a photo of that bit to advertise the route.

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mdavidford replied to HarrogateSpa | 3 years ago
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It's the same photo used to illustrate that question (which type of bike is best) in their FAQs. It makes sense in context there, when they're talking about needing something that can cope with some sections being boggy. I'm guessing they're just periodically tweeting out extracts from the FAQs, and just re-used the image without giving a lot of consideration to how it might come across to someone seeing it in isolation.

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brooksby | 3 years ago
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Letter in today's Grauniad (my emphasis of the bit that's really got my goat, so to speak):

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/06/hgv-driver-shortage-was-in...

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As a former editor of Trucking magazine, I can only say that the shortage of truck drivers has been a long time coming (HGV driver shortages could ‘cancel’ Christmas, warns Iceland boss, 25 August). Road transport shares with the social care industry an enduring culture of increasing profit by reducing costs, with frontline workers paying the price. Both transport and care are now dominated by agencies, which seem to do little for the pounds of flesh that they extract from staff and clients. Unsurprisingly, people prefer to earn a living in other ways.

There are about 600,000 people holding LGV cat C (rigid truck) or cat C+E (articulated lorry) licences in the UK who do not currently drive trucks for a living. Why would they want to return to the job? Facilities are poor, the hours brutal and the responsibilities onerous. And these are only going to get worse. The latest changes to the highway code appear to make truck drivers entirely responsible for the stupidity of childish “vulnerable road users” who are now being encouraged to treat the road as a playground while “adult” drivers look after them. A rethink is needed.

Richard Simpson
Launceston, Cornwall

 

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lesterama replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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Words fail me

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mdavidford replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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"A rethink is needed".

Yup. Of the previous sentence.

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brooksby replied to mdavidford | 3 years ago
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Yup: I presume that we can take "the former editor of Trucking magazine" to be pretty representative of "the HGV driver community".  Which (worryingly) sort of confirms what we all thought all along...

Which bit of my cycling to the office is just like being a child in a playground, exactly?

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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If only there was some other way of shifting things which could allow hard-working delivery persons to stealthily blend in with our new cyclist overlords...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/509587/value-of-cycling.pdf

"...While there is  a  shortage  of  qualified  7.5t  drivers,  cycle  freight  does not require specific qualifications other than being  in  reasonable  physical  condition ..."

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mdavidford replied to chrisonabike | 3 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

"...other than being in reasonable physical condition ..."

That in itself is likely to be a significant impediment to a lot of existing delivery workers making the transition - the inherently sedentary nature of their current work not exactly lending itself to health and fitness.

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OnYerBike replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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The irony of that coming the same day as this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58467000 (which I see has already made it onto the "car crashes into building" forum thread)

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Steve K replied to OnYerBike | 3 years ago
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OnYerBike wrote:

The irony of that coming the same day as this https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58467000 (which I see has already made it onto the "car crashes into building" forum thread)

Or this story https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/brave-drivers-risked-their-li...

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HoarseMann replied to Steve K | 3 years ago
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Steve K wrote:

Or this story https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/crime/brave-drivers-risked-their-li...

or this one - where the DM seems to be focusing on the road being dangerous due to a lack of segregated infrastructure for broken down vehicles, rather than the real danger, that the lorry driver was probably drug driving...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9965131/Mother-two-killed-HGV-r...

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eburtthebike replied to brooksby | 3 years ago
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No prizes for guessing why such a stupid, arrogant, fool is no longer the editor of Trucking magazine; even truckers have some standards.

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