Toxic Air Catastrophe!

srchar wrote:

I completely agree, Don. FWIW, I don't advocate zero tolerance to cars with an ICE. I just don't see a role that government can realistically play to get people out of cars for regular journeys of less than five miles, which IIRC account for 66% of car usage. What additional (and, being realistic, politically palatable) incentives do people need?

The government could do many things, here’s a few:

- Obligate companies over a certain size to provide cycle storage, showers and changing facilities.

- Lower NI contributions for those who cycle to work to reflect the health improvements cycling brings.

- Admonish head teachers who overstep their remit regarding pupils cycling to school.

Grahamd wrote:

srchar wrote:

I completely agree, Don. FWIW, I don't advocate zero tolerance to cars with an ICE. I just don't see a role that government can realistically play to get people out of cars for regular journeys of less than five miles, which IIRC account for 66% of car usage. What additional (and, being realistic, politically palatable) incentives do people need?

The government could do many things, here’s a few:

- Obligate companies over a certain size to provide cycle storage, showers and changing facilities.

- Lower NI contributions for those who cycle to work to reflect the health improvements cycling brings.

- Admonish head teachers who overstep their remit regarding pupils cycling to school.

I don't think those measures would do anything to encourage new riders onto bikes. There is a huge bike storage area and awesome showers and lockers where I work. Cycle commuters number less than ten on a floor of hundreds. Cycling is already way cheaper than other forms of transport, so a financial incentive isn't going to make any difference. 3% of kids cycle to school. You can't tell me that the other 97% don't because of their headteachers' attitude.

People who aren't already on bikes will probably never be.

srchar wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

srchar wrote:

I completely agree, Don. FWIW, I don't advocate zero tolerance to cars with an ICE. I just don't see a role that government can realistically play to get people out of cars for regular journeys of less than five miles, which IIRC account for 66% of car usage. What additional (and, being realistic, politically palatable) incentives do people need?

The government could do many things, here’s a few:

- Obligate companies over a certain size to provide cycle storage, showers and changing facilities.

- Lower NI contributions for those who cycle to work to reflect the health improvements cycling brings.

- Admonish head teachers who overstep their remit regarding pupils cycling to school.

I don't think those measures would do anything to encourage new riders onto bikes. There is a huge bike storage area and awesome showers and lockers where I work. Cycle commuters number less than ten on a floor of hundreds. Cycling is already way cheaper than other forms of transport, so a financial incentive isn't going to make any difference. 3% of kids cycle to school. You can't tell me that the other 97% don't because of their headteachers' attitude.

People who aren't already on bikes will probably never be.

More and better infrastructure is the only thing that's been seen to work anywhere, so I'd go with that.  Reallocate roadspace.  Maybe it won't work either, but there's at least one example of it doing so, which is more than most other approaches can show.

Though more congestion charging might be worth trying as well.   Probably public transport could do with some work also.

The problem only needs to be aaddressed in big cities, that's where the pollution is and that's where car travel is largely unnecessary.  Unfortunately we're stuck with Sadiq "no we Khan't", The Mayor Who Doesn't Do Anything But Mood Music.

srchar wrote:

I commute ten miles each way in London, whatever the weather (OK, the recent cold weather and resulting icy conditions saw me work from home one day and suffer the train the next). While I enjoy it, I also choose to cycle because the trains are unbearably over capacity during rush hour; buses are so slow as not to be a serious option; and while I've never tried commuting by car, I pass endless queues of them on my bike - it looks neither quick nor enjoyable. Both public transport and car ownership are expensive propositions compared to the humble bicycle. Environmental benefits aren't why I ride - they're a side benefit.

There is rightly a lot of criticism directed at national and local government for their infrastructural shortcomings. But if the low cost, shorter journey times and health benefits of cycling aren't enough to get 90% of commuters off more polluting modes of transport, I don't know what is, but making people feel guilty about local air pollution isn't it.

Living in a city the size of London should see reduced levels of car usage as public transport or cycling infrastructure should be excellent.

Not eveyone lives in a city, nor has a regular commute. So a zero tolreance to internaol combustion is not a realistic target.

The addition of planes and boats into Kyoto was a welcome change.

There are many unnecessary journeys made.

There is inefficient construction of housing, resulting in poorly insulated and poorly ventilated properties.

There is a drive for cheaper products that travel greater distances to get to us.

There seems to be a desire to wear t-shirts indoors throughout the year.

There are too few trees planted.

There is far too much money pushing governments into making poor decisions on our behalf.

hawkinspeter wrote:

ConcordeCX wrote:

You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the side

So you're not actually disagreeing, then?

with what? The barking mad paranoid looney fascists, who are probably also swivvle-eyed, or the premise that something must be done about pollution?

hawkinspeter wrote:

ConcordeCX wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

ConcordeCX wrote:

You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the side

So you're not actually disagreeing, then?

with what? The barking mad paranoid looney fascists, who are probably also swivvle-eyed, or the premise that something must be done about pollution?

Any of the above?

I think you're a bit wide of the mark as Boatsie is a self-proclaimed king, so he can't really be a fascist - more of a monarchist - and the rest of the commenters seem to be anti-government/anti-authoritarian.

I would hazard a guess that anyone posting on road.cc is going to be anti-pollution. Personally, I think that tax on diesel should be raised and possibly have some kind of incentive for businesses to switch to cleaner vehicles. Then after a year, start raising tax on petrol too.

However, politicians are scared/bought by the car industry and it would take a certain level of bravery and commitment to do this. That's probably why the Maybot doesn't want to do anything until 2040.

I agree that something must be done about pollution.

I disagree with the root causes that the Fruitcake Faction here have identified and with solutions that involve killing people and singling out immigrants for some deluded form of population control as proposed by LeftMySanityBehindTheBikeSheds.

hawkinspeter wrote:

ConcordeCX wrote:

You’re all barking mad paranoid lunatics with a twist of fascism on the side

So you're not actually disagreeing, then?

I read your name, in awe of great coordination of communication loss; late professor Hawkins. I mean no disrespect yet yeah you're all barking mad.
Toxic air could be used in a recyclable closed environment to study air displacement theory and use some advantage in aero bicycles. It is similar to hydrodynamics and water displacement used with semi planing kayak hulls. I took some photos of my old mates boat and believe it to be that of Olympic class 50+ years old. It's pretty easy to use water to see how air can propel bicycles in a similar fashion.
With regards to black hole, the theory I recognized is failure, children should devert their eyes and go the opposite way of air-water by studying light displacement theory is in my best interest too because I live on this planet, the local star( our daily light) needs repair and knowing what a pistol is you wouldn't leave a loaded pistol next to an unsupervised 2 year old neither!!!!!
Wondering.. Want a beer Concorde? Maybe we could drop some stout when the 'ranga rings the pretty girl. Far, far away

hawkinspeter wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

I read your name, in awe of great coordination of communication loss; late professor Hawkins. I mean no disrespect yet yeah you're all barking mad. Toxic air could be used in a recyclable closed environment to study air displacement theory and use some advantage in aero bicycles. It is similar to hydrodynamics and water displacement used with semi planing kayak hulls. I took some photos of my old mates boat and believe it to be that of Olympic class 50+ years old. It's pretty easy to use water to see how air can propel bicycles in a similar fashion. With regards to black hole, the theory I recognized is failure, children should devert their eyes and go the opposite way of air-water by studying light displacement theory is in my best interest too because I live on this planet, the local star( our daily light) needs repair and knowing what a pistol is you wouldn't leave a loaded pistol next to an unsupervised 2 year old neither!!!!! Wondering.. Want a beer Concorde? Maybe we could drop some stout when the 'ranga rings the pretty girl. Far, far away

Hawking. His name was Stephen Hawking.

Ta.
Never met the good man.
The theory I saw regarding black hole isn't correct though!
Years ago a friend was a bully. Seeing from shadows is hindsight to comprehend he was often teased because he was huge and didn't like replying to idiots hence possibly presumed dumb. At his age of 18 years and about 2 hours I had drank 14 bottles of full strength beer within 2 hours. I thought I was pissing on a tree stump but the the tree stump transformed into a wooden dummy and beat me broken. I am 6'4 and mere of size to him. Ouch. Anyway I believe he grew up, scare was gifted instead of police charges and from such I was able to grasp 31 dimensions; knocked out black on the 32ND attack. The black hole theory isn't correct.
Anyway, believing 4 dimensions ample per bicycling; point, line, shape and time; I hope we help clear, earth's polluted and I am out of ability to convince governments and such why pyramids and tiger are part of earth.
I am humble, really amazed too, he was genius.

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.

The UN want migration from the middle East to the West to make up for low birth rates in the incumbents (just check out their actual dictat that clearly states this) that low rate is forced by governments due to all the cutbacks and not just here. These governments are involved in invading and/or bombing the crap out of these ME countries on the back of 'terrorism' which has caused fewer deaths in the last 20 years  than the 20 before ... by a significant margin.

Terrorist attacks that IMHO are staged not by those faces put on our tv greens by the government lapdogs but by our own government who use it as a tool to exert power and control.

They could make changes to reduce polluion but May and others paymasters don't want to.

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.

The UN want migration from the middle East to the West to make up for low birth rates in the incumbents (just check out their actual dictat that clearly states this) that low rate is forced by governments due to all the cutbacks and not just here. These governments are involved in invading and/or bombing the crap out of these ME countries on the back of 'terrorism' which has caused fewer deaths in the last 20 years  than the 20 before ... by a significant margin.

Terrorist attacks that IMHO are staged not by those faces put on our tv greens by the government lapdogs but by our own government who use it as a tool to exert power and control.

They could make changes to reduce polluion but May and others paymasters don't want to.

Bunch of twats if you are asking me.
I'm a king. I've been torchured lots of years. Government don't understand people well. I guess their scare is that of not having masses to uphold righteousness. Money this, money that nowadays.
Meanwhile in India, starvation and lack of water isn't helping a fast breeding colony.
People seem to be selfish.
Wondering if the government realize that an intelligent race might be able to measure and build many thousands of years ago much better than we do now.
With computer reliance, an emp would surely suggest to our governments 'what now? We paid taxes, we handed in analog machines such as rifles, what is our plan?, '
Meanwhile, cycling great, breathing as individuals assists anti pollution.
Our water scarce here yet immigrants are breeding like rabbits.
Like my father taught me, if we couldn't let 1 or the other play with the toy we could have half each! It became broken!
I believe mass cull or reduction in family size because we have water! How much water friends??

Boatsie wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.

The UN want migration from the middle East to the West to make up for low birth rates in the incumbents (just check out their actual dictat that clearly states this) that low rate is forced by governments due to all the cutbacks and not just here. These governments are involved in invading and/or bombing the crap out of these ME countries on the back of 'terrorism' which has caused fewer deaths in the last 20 years  than the 20 before ... by a significant margin.

Terrorist attacks that IMHO are staged not by those faces put on our tv greens by the government lapdogs but by our own government who use it as a tool to exert power and control.

They could make changes to reduce polluion but May and others paymasters don't want to.

Bunch of twats if you are asking me. I'm a king. I've been torchured lots of years. Government don't understand people well. I guess their scare is that of not having masses to uphold righteousness. Money this, money that nowadays. Meanwhile in India, starvation and lack of water isn't helping a fast breeding colony. People seem to be selfish. Wondering if the government realize that an intelligent race might be able to measure and build many thousands of years ago much better than we do now. With computer reliance, an emp would surely suggest to our governments 'what now? We paid taxes, we handed in analog machines such as rifles, what is our plan?, ' Meanwhile, cycling great, breathing as individuals assists anti pollution. Our water scarce here yet immigrants are breeding like rabbits. Like my father taught me, if we couldn't let 1 or the other play with the toy we could have half each! It became broken! I believe mass cull or reduction in family size because we have water! How much water friends??

shall we start with you?

ConcordeCX wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

BehindTheBikesheds wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.

The UN want migration from the middle East to the West to make up for low birth rates in the incumbents (just check out their actual dictat that clearly states this) that low rate is forced by governments due to all the cutbacks and not just here. These governments are involved in invading and/or bombing the crap out of these ME countries on the back of 'terrorism' which has caused fewer deaths in the last 20 years  than the 20 before ... by a significant margin.

Terrorist attacks that IMHO are staged not by those faces put on our tv greens by the government lapdogs but by our own government who use it as a tool to exert power and control.

They could make changes to reduce polluion but May and others paymasters don't want to.

Bunch of twats if you are asking me. I'm a king. I've been torchured lots of years. Government don't understand people well. I guess their scare is that of not having masses to uphold righteousness. Money this, money that nowadays. Meanwhile in India, starvation and lack of water isn't helping a fast breeding colony. People seem to be selfish. Wondering if the government realize that an intelligent race might be able to measure and build many thousands of years ago much better than we do now. With computer reliance, an emp would surely suggest to our governments 'what now? We paid taxes, we handed in analog machines such as rifles, what is our plan?, ' Meanwhile, cycling great, breathing as individuals assists anti pollution. Our water scarce here yet immigrants are breeding like rabbits. Like my father taught me, if we couldn't let 1 or the other play with the toy we could have half each! It became broken! I believe mass cull or reduction in family size because we have water! How much water friends??

shall we start with you?

Thanks.
When in hospital at age 10 with not many hours on a pair of same leg snapped bones my temperature rose. Ice cubes were offered and the doctor showed me a pizza cutter to cut the tight plaster on the continuing swollen growth of my leg. He complained to my mother when I screamed during a half leg cut! He ran the cutter over his hands and told me lies about the inability of his tool to slice skin. He cut again and I screamed.
6 weeks later when the plaster was reduced to a half leg calve the nurse mentioned that I had two cuts; overlapping in the middle. I had no reason to lie! I have no reason to lie! I had a lover, we had know reason two lie!
Anyway, 20+years ago, I was soldier, I achieved A graded pass on battle fitness assessment while with a freshly broken wrist! My face later became smashed with at least 7 breaks of bone and a frequency tuned plate set was established! Another bunch of twats. 2 main choices; ignore Gods law or betray my own balance! I walk! I adjusted by running blind for kms until at fast pace on last run my guide dogs ran me into an established tree.
I understand that whether you're the head of the monarchy or a student of life about to breach some cunt; near 100 or about to be zero; we are all equal! Bielieve equality isn't false attempting to have sharks run a mile or humans float mid ocean pretending they will breath, eat and find fresh water. Equality is being you. Thanks regarding asking me. If you'd like to 2ND me I'll read your post seeing you read mine!
I grew up knowing that every being is his/her own language!
WAR (within arms reach) is much simpler as a kind gentleman. Next time I'm in the UK would you like a beer? Kind regards Concorde because although that is truthfully written I probably do look like a bigger twat than most.

I'm stuck! I use 'muk off ' to lube my chain by applying such then ragging off but am wondering if I should use wd40 every now and then to clear and clean some!
Best wishes, I hope we cycle longtime!!!
Respecting elders isn't about half the crap I read about, try letting them exercise and understand that their coordination might have many more years of influence than ours.
Best I scored from an old indigenous man was throwing away a used can of baked beans, ' not rubbish mate, just minerals and good for earth. ' lol.
Yay, frequently walking with garbage bag is me trying to protect our waters and creatures, they choke on plastics!!! Others could grow up too and chore once a season! Whoop whoop, 30minute walk, half fill a garbage bag, yet animals other than humans might share with such kind

Boatsie wrote:

Thanks. When in hospital at age 10 with not many hours on a pair of same leg snapped bones my temperature rose. Ice cubes were offered and the doctor showed me a pizza cutter to cut the tight plaster on the continuing swollen growth of my leg. He complained to my mother when I screamed during a half leg cut! He ran the cutter over his hands and told me lies about the inability of his tool to slice skin. He cut again and I screamed. 6 weeks later when the plaster was reduced to a half leg calve the nurse mentioned that I had two cuts; overlapping in the middle. I had no reason to lie! I have no reason to lie! I had a lover, we had know reason two lie! Anyway, 20+years ago, I was soldier, I achieved A graded pass on battle fitness assessment while with a freshly broken wrist! My face later became smashed with at least 7 breaks of bone and a frequency tuned plate set was established! Another bunch of twats. 2 main choices; ignore Gods law or betray my own balance! I walk! I adjusted by running blind for kms until at fast pace on last run my guide dogs ran me into an established tree. I understand that whether you're the head of the monarchy or a student of life about to breach some cunt; we are all equal! Believe equality isn't false attempting to have sharks run a mile or humans float mid ocean pretending they will breath, eat and find fresh water. Equality is being you. Thanks regarding asking me. If you'd like to 2ND me I'll read your post seeing you read mine! I grew up knowing that every being is his/her own language! WAR (within arms reach) is much simpler as a kind gentleman. Next time I'm in the UK would you like a beer? Kind regards Concorde because although that is truthfully written I probably do look like a bigger twat than most. I'm stuck! I use 'muk off ' to lube my chain by applying such then ragging off but am wondering if I should use wd40 every now and then to clear and clean some! Best wishes, I hope we cycle longtime!!!

It's not even lunchtime yet and Boatsie wins this weeks internet! - Bravissimo! 

I'll second you Boastie, but don't use wd40 on your chain it is not a lubricant, stick with oil.

Boatsie wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding

 

 

I believe mass cull or reduction in family size because we have water! How much water friends??

shall we start with you?

Thanks. When in hospital at age 10 with not many hours on a pair of same leg snapped bones my temperature rose.

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well, I was thinking more along the lines of starting the cull and the mass murder with you and yours, not reading your biography. I’ve noticed that people who advocate this sort of population control always think overpopulation refers to other people, and the killing never starts with them. 

ConcordeCX wrote:

well, I was thinking more along the lines of starting the cull and the mass murder with you and yours, not reading your biography. I’ve noticed that people who advocate this sort of population control always think overpopulation refers to other people, and the killing never starts with them. 

There are too many of you, but just the right number of me!

Maybe one day, in some context, overpopulation will indeed be the issue, but right now the problem is too many cars, being driven too much, not too many people.

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.

So you want to do what China did and force everyone in the world to have just one child?  What happens if that child dies at say age 10 now you can't have any more so you go childless?   And what do you do with an accidental second child?  Abort it?  will you abort your accidental second child?  what about your wife?   Oh wait, that's right you and your wife will be forced to abort the accidental second child, I'm sure you would be just fine with that. Perhaps we can just have a major war and eliminate half of the worlds population that way?  Would you be ok with that if you and or your entire family were one of the ones that had to die in that war?  You are ok with any of that?  how would you feel if as a result of war you don't die but are maimed in some way as a result of the war that ruins your quality of life or that of loved ones or both?

Reducing pollution is as simple as going to nuclear power, all we need to then is figure out a way to recycle the spent uranium or simply shoot it off into space.   Nuclear power is the most commercially available, safest and most cost effective source of power the world has come up with so far.  If everyone on this planet would switch to Nuclear power we could bring down pollution by about 40%, and that will increase as more  and more electric cars get on the road over the next 50 years.  BUT the only way electric cars will be able to do that is if the power plant recharging the cars are nuclear and not coal, oil, or natural gas as they are today.  I think they have figured out a way to recycle spent nuclear fuel down to the last 3% of it.  Problem with uranium for fuel is that at it's current production there is only about 250 years of it left, obviously if nuclear fuel went global that would probably drop down to around 100 years, but that may buy us time to discover another source of fuel, not to mention a major reduction in air pollution over that time.

froze wrote:

Boatsie wrote:

Reducing pollution requires reducing the human population! 1 child families reduce faster than 2 child families then borderline growth begins at 3. I love riding.

So you want to do what China did and force everyone in the world to have just one child?  What happens if that child dies at say age 10 now you can't have any more so you go childless?   And what do you do with an accidental second child?  Abort it?  will you abort your accidental second child?  what about your wife?   Oh wait, that's right you and your wife will be forced to abort the accidental second child, I'm sure you would be just fine with that. Perhaps we can just have a major war and eliminate half of the worlds population that way?  Would you be ok with that if you and or your entire family were one of the ones that had to die in that war?  You are ok with any of that?  how would you feel if as a result of war you don't die but are maimed in some way as a result of the war that ruins your quality of life or that of loved ones or both?

Reducing pollution is as simple as going to nuclear power, all we need to then is figure out a way to recycle the spent uranium or simply shoot it off into space.   Nuclear power is the most commercially available, safest and most cost effective source of power the world has come up with so far.  If everyone on this planet would switch to Nuclear power we could bring down pollution by about 40%, and that will increase as more  and more electric cars get on the road over the next 50 years.  BUT the only way electric cars will be able to do that is if the power plant recharging the cars are nuclear and not coal, oil, or natural gas as they are today.  I think they have figured out a way to recycle spent nuclear fuel down to the last 3% of it.  Problem with uranium for fuel is that at it's current production there is only about 250 years of it left, obviously if nuclear fuel went global that would probably drop down to around 100 years, but that may buy us time to discover another source of fuel, not to mention a major reduction in air pollution over that time.

This is simply trolling, isn't it?