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Southampton City Council “satisfied” with “innovative” junction + video of riding through it

Authority responds to criticisms of new 'Dutch-style' intersection...

Southampton City Council representatives say they are satisfied with the layout of a new junction that has been widely criticised both by local cyclists and activists from outside the city.

The junction was the scene of a hit-and-run incident on Wednesday when a rider was knocked off his bike whole attempting to negotiate the new layout. Critics have described the junction design as confusing and in particular pointed out that its tiny advanced stop boxes, narrow cycle lanes and lack of cycle-specific traffic lights all put riders in harm’s way instead of protecting them.

These details, critics say, do not match the original design.

A council spokesman told James Franklin of the Southern Daily Echo that current traffic legislation meant they could not include lights specifically for cyclists, while space constraints had impacted on the positioning of the ASLs.

He said that cycle lights could be used if a trial currently taking place in London proves successful and legislation changes and added: “Some technical elements have been tweaked as the plans have developed to address various safety audits, legal, traffic regulations and logistical issues.”

Cycle-specific traffic lights that control the flow of cycle traffic in the same direction as motor traffic are in use on London’s Cycle Superhighway 3, which opened in 2010.

The council’s Labour environment and transport czar Jacqui Rayment said: “The previous roundabout proved to be one of our highest accident black spots for cyclists so our challenge was to come up with a fresh new approach that would make the junction safer for all users. We also had to make sure that a new approach was adopted to satisfy the conditions attached to the funding we were given.

“We are satisfied that the innovative design of the new junction will help address many of the issues brought up by residents during our consultation. We are listening to these users and recently held our first cycle forum meeting to continue this dialogue.

“We now have a more direct route to the city centre for pedestrians and cyclists alike. With any new road layout there is a period of review where we monitor how it is working for all road users and pedestrians.

“And we are constantly looking at ways to improve traffic flow and safety city wide.”

Riding the new junction

In this helmet cam video ForestCyclist gives us a taste of what the new junction is like to ride through. “You really have got to have your wits about you at the lights haven’t you?” he says.

John has been writing about bikes and cycling for over 30 years since discovering that people were mug enough to pay him for it rather than expecting him to do an honest day's work.

He was heavily involved in the mountain bike boom of the late 1980s as a racer, team manager and race promoter, and that led to writing for Mountain Biking UK magazine shortly after its inception. He got the gig by phoning up the editor and telling him the magazine was rubbish and he could do better. Rather than telling him to get lost, MBUK editor Tym Manley called John’s bluff and the rest is history.

Since then he has worked on MTB Pro magazine and was editor of Maximum Mountain Bike and Australian Mountain Bike magazines, before switching to the web in 2000 to work for CyclingNews.com. Along with road.cc founder Tony Farrelly, John was on the launch team for BikeRadar.com and subsequently became editor in chief of Future Publishing’s group of cycling magazines and websites, including Cycling Plus, MBUK, What Mountain Bike and Procycling.

John has also written for Cyclist magazine, edited the BikeMagic website and was founding editor of TotalWomensCycling.com before handing over to someone far more representative of the site's main audience.

He joined road.cc in 2013. He lives in Cambridge where the lack of hills is more than made up for by the headwinds.

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Goldfever4 | 10 years ago
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What happens if the lights change just after you go through the first set?

You'll be slowing down to turn and join the perpendicular traffic just as they set off.... strange logic there.

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fret | 10 years ago
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That's just stupid.
Typical Scummer mentality.

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Paul_C | 10 years ago
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now make them eat their own dogfood...

send those councillors OUT on bicycles over the juctions they've approved...

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wyadvd | 10 years ago
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This is a proper cycle friendly junction:
http://vimeo.com/71511991

At 6.3 million euros. Cheap at the price . If every major junction had one just imagine !

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movingtarget | 10 years ago
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Is it me or when the cyclists cross the first part of the intersection to get into position to complete the turn they're no longer able to see the traffic lights to tell whether they're red or green? The poor guy is whipping his head around so much trying to keep track of traffic around him he's going to get whiplash. Looks like a recipe for disaster.

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Initialised | 10 years ago
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That's just idiotic. It's much safer to leave the cycle lane and take primary well in advance of a junction when you intend to turn right.

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Mick Davidson | 10 years ago
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Whatever the rights and wrong of this system, did they bother to consult the Dutch or Danes on this? If not, very silly. We've got some great experts with tons of experience an email away: we should be consulting with them as a matter of course. Councils that have little experience with this sort of thing are just making it up otherwise and in the end no one's happy.

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harrybav replied to Mick Davidson | 10 years ago
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our challenge was to come up with a fresh new approach... a new approach... the innovative design

Little bit too much emphasis on innovation here, I think, maybe, rather than adopting wiser heads' best practice. Question is, why?

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northstar | 10 years ago
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Of course they are satisfied, it discourages people not to ride bikes there, ticks a few boxes and riders will die.

Talk about pointing out the obvious.

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CarlosFerreiro | 10 years ago
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If the Council are satisfied with the design, would they be willing to state a performance target?
"We will consider this design a failure if the accident rate exceeds X over Y years"?

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