Cyclist disappointed at police caution for BMX rider who kicked him off bike in rush hour traffic

Just stop with the excuses and tolerance for the BMX rider.
This was Common Law assault, possible property damage and dangerous negligence which could have cause serious injury or death, so the BMX rider was completely in the wrong and due some punishment; he is lucky that he is not facing serious criminal and/or civil action, because he'd lose!

Good guy/ Wank
you decide.

Let's just imagine what happens when the BMXer gets a car...

*shudder*

The BMX rider is in the wrong. It's a stupid and dangerous place to try and undertake another cyclist. From the way he kicked the front wheel of the victim's bike and the sheer speed of the action, it's fairly obvious to me he's done this before. A well practiced maneuver I think. He would have known the likely result of his actions. He's lucky to have got away with a caution. I know what I'd have done if I'd caught up with him again.

Just an observation. Why has the victim cyclist been repeatedly named and criticised and yet we don't know the name of the BMXer who knocked him off?

Some people here are clearly retarded.

I often have to pass stationary buses on my commute. I don't just blindly swerve around them and expect whoever's on my right to magic themselves out of the way. I look behind and see if there's room for me to pull out. Ideally when there's still some room between me and the bus. It's nice when the cars see that I need to go around the stationary bus and either move further to the right or hold back to let me pass. But if that doesn't happen I wait - stopping if I need to - until there's an opening in the traffic allowing me to pass the bus. And I don't go chasing down the cars that didn't allow me through to take revenge on them.

The BMX rider is completely in the wrong and a massive cunt to boot.

Not one to promote any violence, but that BMX rider deserves an earth shattering slap! A caution is probably the right decision, hopefully he learnt his lesson. Cyclists who undertake on the left put themselves and other road users in danger... end of story

All the excuses and 'justifications' for the BMX'er kicking the guys wheel out are ridiculous. We wonder why the 'youth' of today won't accept responsibility for their actions and it is bulls**t like any excuse for a petulant, dangerous and just plan f**king nasty actions like that which reinforce the belief that they are never ever wrong and anything MUST be someone else's fault. Even the victim of their vicious and dangerous assault must be to blame because he didn't make allowances for their fukwitted behaviour.

Just think about that - next time a cyclist gets run over and killed, imagine the driver's response being "its their fault they didn't move out of my way when I decided I wanted to pass so I ran them over and killed them" That (in an extreme version) is the line your argument sounds like its going from here. But then, I would probably not expect a BMX to come up the inside and try and jump out there so would have been repeatedly glancing over my right shoulder and back to the road in front of me, not to the left.

It's pretty clear Carrondo never cut the guy up. I've seen it happen a few times (all bmxers funnily enough, but I'm not saying anything) when some mouth-breathing rocket shoots up the inside, assuming he's going to get clear before the gap he's aiming for closes (already a dick move in the first place) then, when they find out they were wrong and horror of horrors have to get back in line, they chuck the toys out the pram as if they're the ones who've somehow been wronged. The first anyone else gets to see or hear of it is when the dick starts effing and blinding.

If other riders can't take things like this seriously how do we expect the rest of society to, including the police. Anyone who believes it is ok to kick out at a rider even worse with the potential of putting a person under a bus must be a very unfortunate person. Bmx, lorry or taxi to punish a rider by knocking them off there bike can never be right.

If the bus had pulled out and killed the guy would that be ok?

http://road.cc/sites/all/modules/smileys/packs/Yahoo!/clap.gif oozaveared is correct in their definition of a 'caution'. However, the issue of a caution would indicate that the accused has no previous history of THIS type of offence. The accused will have a criminal record and this caution can be highlighted to the courts should they come to notice for similar offences in the NEAR future.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, the only offence relative to assaults under the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 that has a specific 'intent' is 'GBH with intent' i.e. intent to murder. Consequently the Common Assault offence could have been arrived at by the CPS deciding the evidence didn't reach THEIR threshold test for ABH, particularly relative to the actual injuries received.

What does surprise me is that there is no mention of a Criminal Damage offence here! The BMX rider is clearly reckless as to whether damage would be caused or not and I'm sure some damage was caused to the other riders bike.

To lay matters to rest. The Highway Code gives three places where it is permissible to overtake on the left hand side. This is not one of them! The BMX rider has no road sense, probably never even lifted up a copy of the Highway Code, and his riding clearly leaves a lot to be desired.

@oozaveared
@P3t3

No, he didn't 'cut up' the BMXer. He held his line while in traffic, while the BMXer was trying to undertake and simply push his way through. If it had been a taxi, you'd have recognised this move as a 'black cab special'.

But apparently it's OK while riding, but not while driving?

FFS.

Your justification of that seems to lend support for the following assault as well. The BMXer was a douche all the way through.

Clearly, even the police thought it serious enough, once prodded to investigate, to issue a caution following an arrest.

Carrondo's riding was both legal, and as he *should ride* per the Highway Code.

This is the second time this discussion has been had, and it's as bothersome to see cyclists make excuses for dangerous behaviour each time.

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You can clearly see the other cyclist moving out into the road to pass the bus. Corrondo makes no adjustment to his line whatsoever to allow that. In my book that's being bloody minded

No that's called The Law. You are entitled to hold your current line and the person moving into the flow of traffic must give way. This applies even to motorway slip roads, technically you would have to stop if no-one let you in.

You don' t know why Corrondo didn't move, it might be because he didn't feel it was safe to move, couldn't move, was concentrating on something else or was just bloody minded. That is why it is the responsibility of the person joining the flow of traffic to give way

Good the BMXer got a caution. We've all had the red mist descend at times. The guy on the BMX should have moved to the left to move around the bus earlier anyway. The roadie did nothing to deserve a kick to the front wheel. Luckily no-one was seriously hurt.

And I'm a BMXer mind.

And the Police wonder why there is so little respect for them out there. I think the Police do a very hard job in very hard circumstances, but FFS when the Assault is in HD Video for them clearly showing the intent all they had to do was charge the guy, fill in the forms, hand it over to the CPS and sit back and wait for him to plead guilty. It really don't get any easier for them. Its a poor show.

I agree with Domino, he probably didn't even notice he was there and probably looking over his right shoulder to move out to overtake the bus, you don't really expect a bike to undertake you in that situation, the Bmxer should of realised that, backed off slightly then overtake him after they passed the bus.

My concern about this, is that it's not the first time this has been the result. Those with good memories may recall this incident from the start of the year, which road.cc also reported on - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKfGIAIeLYY

To summarise, it's a motorcyclist annoyed with a cyclist taking primary in atrocious weather, and trying to kick his front wheel out. The outcome wasn't even a caution, it was a warning letter.

I don't care about the arguments about provocation. To me they are an irrelevance. I want to know that the law can deter people from attacking me on the road where the potential for injury is enormous, and on the balance of these high profile incidents it doesn't appear to.

He didn't cut him up. Watch the video. The BMX overtakes on the LEFT and then tries to cut in front of the road bike. Upset that he wasn't able to, he then kicks him off. What a fucking cunt.

Every time I see this I am amazed at the skill level of the BMX rider, its a beautiful move! I don't think I could do what he did without a fair bit of practice.

Part of me thinks that this is just a bit of rough and tumble and the guy the who shot the video should just suck it up and put it down to experience. Don't cut people up and they probably won't kick your wheels about, we get taught not to tell tales at school.

The other side of me regrets that the punishment in this country is generally in line with the damage caused (grazes), not the potential damage (run over and killed by a bus). This kind of violence has no place on our streets.

I can imagine many countries where the police would simply laugh at you, the fact the police did anything at all says the country we live in is a pretty nice place all-in-all.