Lance Armstrong says that if he were riding now, he wouldn’t need to dope. But he admits that if he were taken back to the mid-1990s he would still use performing enhancing drugs in that period, because they were “completely and totally pervasive” in the peloton at the time.
The disgraced cyclist, who in 2012 was banned from competitive sport for life and stripped of results including the seven Tour de France titles he won between 1999 and 2005, was speaking to the BBC’s Dan Roan.
Their conversation is the subject of a 30-minute programme that will be shown on BBC News at 8.30pm this Thursday, and will be available to watch on BBC iPlayer afterwards.
It’s Armstrong’s first in-depth broadcast interview since he confessed to Oprah Winfrey in early 2013 that he had cheated to win those yellow jerseys, but he remains insistent that he didn’t dope after his return to the sport in 2009.
The United States Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) whose investigation of Armstrong led to his ban say he did, but former UCI president Pat McQuaid, ratifying the sanction in 2012, said the governing body did not agree with that part of the national agency’s reasoned decision.
Roan asked Armstrong: “When it comes to the doping, would you do it again?”
The 43-year-old said: “It's a complicated question, and my answer is not a popular answer. If I was racing in 2015, no, I wouldn't do it again, because I don't think you have to.
“If you take me back to 1995, when it was completely and totally pervasive, I'd probably do it again. People don't like to hear that."
Quizzed about whether he was riding clean on his return to the sport with Astana in 2009, four years after his first retirement, he said, “Absolutely, absolutely."
But he agreed that while it does hurt him when people don’t believe he is telling the truth about that, he can understand why.
"I got patience on that. Because we are going to be in a time and place where there is a rock-solid test for blood transfusions, and the first person they say 'let's test' will be Lance Armstrong.
"So I can tell you that I didn't dope in 09-10, and the day a lab, a scientist or a group of people come up with a definitive test for blood transfusions, I'll be the first man to give my samples.
“And not just one of them: I'll give them all. From those years there must be 100 samples, if not more.
"That one, I just have to be patient on. That one, I'll be proved right on," he maintained.
The Texan has spoken with the Cycling Independent Research Commission set up by UCI president Brian Cookson, and said: "I have met them twice, they have asked me not to go into details, but everybody knows I have met with them, so that is not a secret.
“I think it's safe for me to say that whatever questions they asked, I told. A lot of it is out there. So I don't know if there's a whole lot out there left, but I was totally honest, and I was totally transparent.”
The father of five added: "At this point of my life, I'm not out to protect anybody. I'm out to protect seven people, and they all have the last name Armstrong."
He conrasted his own fate with that of two of the other big stars of the Tour de France in his period of dominance who have been allowed to keep the jerseys they won, despite themselves admitting to doping.
"Ultimately, and I'm speaking as somebody else: 'I watched seven Tours, I watched them, I kind of see who won, yet he didn't win, nobody won, the sport is left with no winner, seven empty yellows, and yet the same years you have green jerseys from [Erik] Zabel who's fully admitted [doping], polka-dots from [Richard] Virenque who's fully admitted... how does this [happen]?' I don't think it serves our sport well."
Armstrong also sought to put his doping, and that of other members of the US Postal Service team he rode for, into a wider sporting context.
USADA insisted that the team had been involved in “most sophisticated, professionalised, successful" doping programme in sporting history.
"Yes, but that's not true,” he insisted. “Lance Armstrong is not the biggest fraud in the history of world sport. US Postal was not the most sophisticated doping programme.
“To say that in light of all you read about the East Germans, the West Germans, the Turks, the Russians, God forbid, all the other major sports leagues in the world.
“No," he continued.
"Listen, I get it, Travis Tygart and USADA needed a splash. All those [words] are great. They work for PR, they create a buzz. But they're not true.
“There was doping, it was dirty, it was a terrible time. All those other headlines, they're not true," he added.
Armstrong also spoke about what he sees as cycling’s current challenges when it comes to doping, and where it may go in future; we’ll report those comments tomorrow.
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whilst I think it is valid to look at speed as one measure it does hide since LA won the vast improvements in bike technology, fitness etc.
So for example you stick a LA on his third tour form on a bike today what could he do then ?
Also and this has been said how much did LA hold back so the gap between him and others did not look out of place ?
PS Source for those general numbers, plus more detail if you're interested:
http://bikeraceinfo.com/tdf/tdfstats.html
Lance wouldn't need to dope in 2015? Really?
Speed over distance is one posited (and often accepted) way to track the use of performance-enhancing drugs in cycling. Lance won his Tours, which were between 3,200 and 3,600-ish km long, at average speeds of between 39.5 and 40.5 kph.
Given the difference EPO made when it first appeared, it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a dropping-off of average speeds, or at least a levelling out, if drug use has been curtailed. Instead, we get faster.
Jump forward a decade or so from Lance's pomp: the 2013 and 2014 editions of the Tour, both over 3,600 km long, are won at average winner's speeds of over 40.5 kph.
I'm no fan of or apologist for Lance, but I do think he's been turned into the bogeyman, a catch-all for the 'cycling's changed' gang. Perhaps it's time for the cycling world to look at the nature of events, especially the grand tours? Is it even possible for a clean rider to do more than keep up, maybe have one or two good days, over such distances and at such speeds?
We love the drama of riders contesting hard roads after 200 km of riding, the whittling-down to a final few before one cyclist breaks away, unmatchable. Every time I see that happen, part of me is thrilled - but my logical brain is telling me it's not possible to be so dominant, not with 2,000 km of racing already in your legs.
Until the big races become more human in scale, more achievable by un-doped riders, I think this problem might always be with us. That's why I now find myself increasingly drawn to one-day races; I know they're not immune to doping, they have many of the same riders I suspect from grand tours - but at least I feel it's possible that someone clean could win them. This is flawed logic, of course, but I love cycle sport, and I want to watch something!
I think he has some good points and I personally didnt like his bullying tactics - but that just happens in any professional situation (particularly sport). Whether we like it or not, he still has big interest - perhaps he starting to show some atonement here? I think he still needs to go further and use his draw to promote something positive - like David Millar did. It is a good motivation to think of his kids too. I was watching an DVD of his tdf rides and they are still great entertainment and I have kind of come to the conclusion that they were pretty much all doping - USP were just the best at it. The Team Sky of their day - but with doping.
He gets the attention because he gets the discussion. David Walsh made the valid point that actually this only happens in Europe, the US is really not bothered with him.
He is the biggest fraudster in world sporting history, he made millions from the fraud and the cancer charity and thus that makes his story and what he has to say interesting.
Why does the media continue to give this attention-seeking, lying, slandering has-been fraudster any publicity?
As Michael Hutchinson tweeted earlier,
"A man of few regrets, apart from getting caught."
Cycling is better off without him. I wish he would just f**k off and take his huge ego somewhere else.
Normally I avoid Armstrong stuff, but the two-part article in the last Rouleur and the one just out has been genuinely interesting.
I am growing disillusioned with the BBC. Recently all they have focused on is Wiggo and Cav and their tracks ambitions and now this. There's a whole lot more pro cycling that they could report.
Prior to this story, their two most recent cycling headlines were Cav winning a road stage and Dowsett abandoning his hour bid. There's not a whole lot else going on right at the moment, but they managed to mention the Isle of Man's cycling festival.
All of which could be noted using only a browser and about 5 seconds of your time, and completely counters your post.
I was too busy using my browser and my time to do my job to check my accuracy but hey thanks for doing it for me, especially in that tone.
Lance needs to shut up and go fish. After what he did he has no right to comment on the sport.
I was amazed that this was a story on BBC national news, a good way up the running order. He hasn't got anything useful or interesting to say, he's totally self-absorbed, and it's time to move on.
I realise I'm a hypocrite saying move on, but commenting on an Armstrong story. Sorry.
And I think he still believes if he were somehow allowed to race again he could make a comeback and win some big races. Yeah right. He's got some nerve. He's too old first off the new peloton wouldn't ride with him and Contador would crucify him. Soon LA will be filling himself with drugs again as he gets older and older, as old people do to stay alive. Ooooh the irony. He is certainly a class act to watch. I shall be watching. I hope he squirms when he is asked why he treated those close to him so badly i.e. Frankie and Betsy Andreu. For treating them so badly he deserves EVERYTHING he gets. For the rest he has shattered many a memory and dream. He wasn't the first and won't be the last but he was one of the most prolific and feared dopers of that time. Good riddance.
He's like an immature 15 year old who hasn't yet grasped that responsibility is just part of freedom, and somehow imagines that blaming others makes him look better.
Not sure how "the buck stops with me" is blaming others. Sure, he then attempts to give context to his actions by talking about the prevalence of doping in the culture of the time - but that's an indisputable fact - and it would be a pretty boring interview if he answered every single question with "the buck stops with me".
How many peoples lives are/were ruined by the likes of scumbag global Banksters who went scot-free after the financial crises? DOJ here in the states flatly said, too big to jail.
Funny how there is NO punishment for people who committed REAL crimes and are not talked about, are not persecuted are not mentioned. It's un-fucking believable the amount of illogical rhetoric spewed for a bunch of men playing sports.
The bullying argument makes little sense. It's arbitrarily deciding who is very guilty and who is perceived not as guilty even though so many were fucking using ped's. The statist-mentality....kills me.
Uhm, yeah, well that guy over there, he just murdered someone in cold blood. But this guy he tortured, raped then murdered...so he is really a bad guy. But the murderer well he is bad, but it doesn't bother me so much...
For me its not the doping issue as (in most sports) it was rampant and often with the tacit agreement of those in charge. It was the character assignations of anybody who got in his way and the way he could almost do anything by bullying and threatening those who tried to stand up to him. How many peoples lives reputations and livelihoods has he ruined in his pursuit of glory?
are you familiar with elite athletes and their personalities. I have been and not just in cycling. There are precious few at the top that are mild mannered gentlefolk. I'm not saying it's not possible but it's unlikely. To get be an elite athlete you have to be pretty ruthless, single minded and ego driven. That doesn't mean you act like a snarling dog at everyone. They can and are quite often polite and charming. Some are even introverted and shy. But if you do or say anything that jeopardises their ambition or chances of winning then you need to take cover. It's not just a job or a sponsorship deal or even a title at stake it's a fundamental part of their character. Armstrong happens to have an intimidating presence. He knows it and he used it. But people use what they have. Some bully in private, some quietly sledge, others launch sweary rants at the media ...
LA will be criticized when he lies or tells the truth.
The only thing I don't like about him is his bullying.
People just love to hate him.
He probably has a point re the East Germans etc, they had state sponsorship and government research labs.
Douche - still can't admit 2009 despite the evidence. Only once he accepts that will redemption be in his grasp.
He needs to stop blaming other people and look at himself more.
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