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Dog walker pleads for understanding on canal towpaths after receiving death threat from ‘racing’ cyclist

Believes some cyclists are riding more quickly since resurfacing work was completed

A man from Sheerwater in Surrey has appealed for more consideration between canal towpath users after an angry exchange with a cyclist culminated in death threats. The man had been walking along a stretch of Basingstoke Canal on Thursday August 20 when one of his two dogs emerged from a bush, in the path of what the man himself describes as a ‘racing’ cyclist.

Get Surrey reports that the alleged incident took place halfway between Sheerwater Road and the West Byfleet Lock Cottages. The walker reported the matter to Surrey Police, but has been told that it is unlikely they will be able to do anything.

“He came to a sliding halt and then he just started swearing at me. He told me to control my dog, and I explained that the towpath was not a racetrack. I said it was used by young mothers and children and that he should slow down.

“We had probably been talking for no more than 20 seconds and then he said ‘I will find where you live and murder you and your entire family’. I was stunned. My first thought was for my family.”

The man also said that the cyclist had been going particularly quickly. “Most of the cyclists on the towpath are ambling along," he said. "This person was really racing along. I think sometimes these people try to time themselves.”

On its website, The Canal & River Trust points out that pedestrians have priority on towpaths. “If you’re in a hurry, consider using an alternative route for your journey,” is the suggestion.

In 2013, Sustrans told cyclists not to race on shared use paths, asking riders to slow down or even keep off them. The organisation also called for apps like Strava to highlight routes that were inappropriate for fast cycling. CTC spokesman Roger Geffen agreed, pointing out that walkers can feel as intimated by fast cycling on shared-use paths as cyclists are by fast driving.

Parts of the Basingstoke Canal towpath have undergone improvement works in recent years and the man believes that the improved surface may be encouraging a number of cyclists to ride more quickly.

Last week, posters expressing concern about ‘speeding cyclists’ featuring a photo of a woman’s bloodied face were put up alongside a canal in Bath. The towpath in question has been earmarked for improvements after the council successfully bid for Cycle City Ambition funding. However, it seems that a number of canal users are concerned that this could lead to the stretch being overrun by cyclists.

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hkrpk replied to ct | 9 years ago
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Unfortunately there's been enough idiots over the years riding bikes on parts of the Taff Trail with sod all thought for other users, particularly through Hailey Park where unfortunately a minority of idiots have caused real difficulties. I won't use the word cyclist as it's rather too broad a church for the variety of wheeled contraptions, riders, attitudes and skill levels that passes through the Park.

In turn this has created a defensive/aggressive dog walking community there who spoil for confrontation and a chance to moan in the South Wales Echo.

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hampstead_bandit | 9 years ago
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years ago near Mile End Park in East London I stopped during a cycle commute on the canal path after coming across a women next to a bike screaming and spitting blood, and a man standing close to her. A pedestrian came from the park and we stood next to the man and then grabbed him, assuming he had assaulted her as she was screaming and there blood all over the place.

Then another pedestrian arrived who had been on the bridge above the canal path and had seen the entire thing.

He said she was going very fast, and came around the corner and ran into the man on the canal path.

He had raised his arms to protect himself, she rode into him and went over the bars, face first into the concrete path, knocking out a number of teeth. There were teeth among the blood on the path.

I never forgot her screaming, it was ear piercing. We both apologized to the poor man she had run into, I went and waited for the ambulance on the road bridge above.

I've rarely used the canal path for cycling since, there are too many people going too fast, and coming into conflict with pedestrians and slow moving cyclists.

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the little onion | 9 years ago
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It is worth pointing out (as with the Bristol story earlier in the week) that a lot of money under the Cycling Cities Ambition Scheme is going towards upgrading towpaths, ostensibly to make them better for cyclists.

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Carlp replied to the little onion | 9 years ago
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Jamminatrix | 9 years ago
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Reason #23 I do not try and use multi-use pathways... Unpredictable dogs walking off leash, children who jump out in front of you with no time to slow down, joggers who have headphones on and can't hear anyone approaching, dogs who poop on paths and owners don't clean it up, excessive congestion, etc.

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Canyon48 | 9 years ago
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I quite honestly can't stand dogs on cycle paths/shared use paths, they are REALLY difficult to predict especially if they aren't on leads (they can be bad on a lead anyway).

This said, if I see a dog on a shared use path, I slow the heck down and thank the dog owner when they (usually) stop and hold their dogs. Bit of respect is all that's needed (and a smile and a thank you to other path/road users).

It's not particularly difficult to not be a total ass when cycling, patience and courtesy is all you need. If I want to go fast, I'll go on a decent road and match the traffic's speed (lol I wish).

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mattsccm | 9 years ago
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As with all things where different types of users are involved, the slowest or least able should be deferred to. I am obviously not as clever as some postetsd as I can see nowhere does it say that the dog was running free or on a long lead.
Simpler fact. What many cyclists see as dawdling is seen as too fast by others.
Therefore the fastest gives way just like you hold the door for an old lady.

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robonabike replied to mattsccm | 9 years ago
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...nowhere does it say that the dog was running free or on a long lead.

Except perhaps here, which would be tricky on a short lead unless the owner was hiding in the bush.

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one of his two dogs emerged from a bush

That said, if the incident is as reported, then the cyclist is a monstrous bellend too.

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wycombewheeler replied to mattsccm | 9 years ago
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mattsccm wrote:

As with all things where different types of users are involved, the slowest or least able should be deferred to.

we'll be a long time waiting for this on the road, the same pedestrians moaning about cyclists going to fast on shared use paths are probably the drivers moaning about bikes holding them up on the roads.

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durandal | 9 years ago
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Regardless of fault, the suggestion that "I will find where you live and murder you and your entire family" does seem a bit of an extreme reaction to an emergency stop.

That said, there are three sides to this story - the dog walker's side, the cyclist's side and what actually happened.

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ridein | 9 years ago
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Killing for a KOM

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kettrinboy | 9 years ago
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Perhaps this path has a Strava segment on it and that's why the cyclist was "racing", nearly all the local tracks and paths round my way have.

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Boopop replied to kettrinboy | 9 years ago
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Canal path segments should be banned. Utterly pointless and downright dangerous.

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zanf replied to Boopop | 9 years ago
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Boopop wrote:

Canal path segments should be banned. Utterly pointless and downright dangerous.

BAN ALL THE THINGS!

Get a grip of yourself, wipe the froth from your chin, and spend the time that you would be mashing the keyboard ranting on the internet about what needs to be banned, and instead spend it on sites such as Strava, Map My Ride, Garmin Connect, Ride With GPS, flagging segments on canal paths.

The only thing worse than someone being reactionary calling for the banning of things, is them expecting others to do it for them.

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timb27 | 9 years ago
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The roads are for vehicles in a hurry, canal paths are not. If you peg it along a canal path at speed while avoiding dogs, kids and prams etc, you deserve to end up in the drink.

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brooksby replied to timb27 | 9 years ago
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Spatulala wrote:

The roads are for vehicles in a hurry, canal paths are not. If you peg it along a canal path at speed while avoiding dogs, kids and prams etc, you deserve to end up in the drink.

...which brings us back to the point about there really being two levels of cycling infrastructure in this country - the roads for "fast and/or confident" cyclists or evangelical vehicularists and then shared-use paths and towpaths &c for occasional use by not-so-confident or slower cyclists (the ones often disparagingly referred to on here as "nodders").

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gazza_d | 9 years ago
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Sharing works BOTH ways.Dogs off the lead or on the end of a long lead with the owner not giving a stuff is common on my commute.

I've had dog walkers verbally abuse me without provocation from me, even after I have slowed to almost a trackstand for their mutts. I suspect this whinger is one of those.

Yes I have a dog, it's not hard to keep Fido under control.

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HarrogateSpa | 9 years ago
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Dogs and bikes don't mix particularly well, but with a bit of consideration on both sides, we should be able to rub along reasonably well. Ideally, we'd have separate walking and cycling paths, but it'll take a while.

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Carton | 9 years ago
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While I obviously don't espouse death threats, without confirmation that those actually took place I'm probably with the cyclist on this one. No matter at what speed you're riding, uncontrolled dogs can be insanely dangerous. I love (most) dogs and I'm not one to yell at the occasional careless pedestrian cutting across a bike path and forcing an emergency stop (maybe "look out" while I'm pulling on the brakes, if it can't be helped). I will slow down and shift to the inner ring if I begin to sense a toddler even faintly nearby. But I shouldn't risk crashing because your dog isn't smart enough not to look both ways before cutting across the path or it thinks that the click of my freehub is cue for it to start nipping at my heels. Dogs when on any kind of path should be kept on a short leash, IMHO.

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hawkinspeter | 9 years ago
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This is a common problem on shared use paths. Some cyclists (I used to) believe that they have priority whereas pedestrians actually have priority even on the "wrong" side (if the path has pedestrian/cyclist sides marked).

Dogs are a particular problem and to be honest, I believe pedestrians should have more consideration for cyclists and keep their dogs under control. I personally think that "racing" cyclists should keep to the roads if they're going to be going more than 15mph and pedestrians should keep themselves (and dogs etc) to one side of the path to allow the path to be shared.

I hate those shared use paths - they just breed animosity.

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Al__S | 9 years ago
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On the one hand: don't be a dick when you're riding. On the other: keep your damn dogs on a short leash on or near shared paths.

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