Boris Johnson’s “vanity” Cycle Superhighways “clogging up” London’s streets, says Bob Geldof

Rich_cb wrote:

Gus T wrote:

kie7077 wrote:

Colin Peyresourde wrote:

Is this article about the Brexit? I thought it was  bike website.

It was of course EU rules that mandated more good quality Cycle Lanes, The EU is so great, they also made sure we kept pollution low. No wait, the didn't, why not?

But at least they made sure everyone had the minimum wage and set the level, the Tories would never increase the minimu wage. And they put the brakes on immigration whilst we built more houses and to stop a race to the bottom for wages..... Oops, they didn't. But at least they are against privatisation of our essential monopoly services... errr no, they are rabidly pro-privatisation, the laws (Lisbon treaty etc) pratically stipulate it.

So they make sure we have good standards... no, with TTIP it's a race to the bottom, we get the worst standards, the gov't will get sued if a company can't compete because of a higher standard, when being pressed hard to remove ISDS all they want to do is fiddle with it.

So, I have now lost respect for Bob Geldof, like left-wingers he has no idea about what he is supporting. I like what Boris did for cycling in London but I couldn't vote for him and I don't like any of the other brexiters either and there's this bizarre argument going along we shouldn't vote brexit because of what the brexiters would do if we did exit, but the simple fact is that most brexit campaigners are not running the gov't so won't be doing anything if we brexit.

Will the economy take a hit if we brexit, I think short term it will, we will be punished by people who hold enough power to punish us, the emergency budget is exactly this, a threat of punishment. Democracy is more important than the economy IMO, the EU is clearly not democratic, the commission are no more democratic than any other quango and that is very much what they are, a quango.

If that is so why do we elect people like Nigel Farage to the European Parliament, you know that's a democratic organisation don't you.. As for Geldorf, he's an attention seeking knob who took the glory for the work that was mostly done by Midge Ure and others and was given an undeserved knighthood to try & shut him up.

 

The European Parliament doesn't actually write the EU rules/regulations and has no power to repeal them. That is done by the EU commission, it is an unelected body and as voters we have no say in its composition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

I stand corrected but who appoints the Commisioners?  It wouldn't be the relevant counties elected Government by any chance would it. It's still democracy in action whether you like how it works or not. A country can still recall it's Commisioners.

Gus T wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

Gus T wrote:

kie7077 wrote:

Colin Peyresourde wrote:

Is this article about the Brexit? I thought it was  bike website.

It was of course EU rules that mandated more good quality Cycle Lanes, The EU is so great, they also made sure we kept pollution low. No wait, the didn't, why not?

But at least they made sure everyone had the minimum wage and set the level, the Tories would never increase the minimu wage. And they put the brakes on immigration whilst we built more houses and to stop a race to the bottom for wages..... Oops, they didn't. But at least they are against privatisation of our essential monopoly services... errr no, they are rabidly pro-privatisation, the laws (Lisbon treaty etc) pratically stipulate it.

So they make sure we have good standards... no, with TTIP it's a race to the bottom, we get the worst standards, the gov't will get sued if a company can't compete because of a higher standard, when being pressed hard to remove ISDS all they want to do is fiddle with it.

So, I have now lost respect for Bob Geldof, like left-wingers he has no idea about what he is supporting. I like what Boris did for cycling in London but I couldn't vote for him and I don't like any of the other brexiters either and there's this bizarre argument going along we shouldn't vote brexit because of what the brexiters would do if we did exit, but the simple fact is that most brexit campaigners are not running the gov't so won't be doing anything if we brexit.

Will the economy take a hit if we brexit, I think short term it will, we will be punished by people who hold enough power to punish us, the emergency budget is exactly this, a threat of punishment. Democracy is more important than the economy IMO, the EU is clearly not democratic, the commission are no more democratic than any other quango and that is very much what they are, a quango.

If that is so why do we elect people like Nigel Farage to the European Parliament, you know that's a democratic organisation don't you.. As for Geldorf, he's an attention seeking knob who took the glory for the work that was mostly done by Midge Ure and others and was given an undeserved knighthood to try & shut him up.

 

The European Parliament doesn't actually write the EU rules/regulations and has no power to repeal them. That is done by the EU commission, it is an unelected body and as voters we have no say in its composition. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

I stand corrected but who appoints the Commisioners?  It wouldn't be the relevant counties elected Government by any chance would it. It's still democracy in action whether you like how it works or not. A country can still recall it's Commisioners.

 

If it is democracy it's a very poor form of democracy.

The electorate has no direct way of electing or removing a commisoner.

The fact that Neil Kinnock enjoyed a long career as a (highly paid) commissioner despite losing 2 general elections should be an indication of how little the views of the electorate matter when it comes to appointments.

Rich_cb wrote:

The European Parliament doesn't actually write the EU rules/regulations and has no power to repeal them. That is done by the EU commission, it is an unelected body and as voters we have no say in its composition.

Unlike that well known bastion of representative democracy: the House of Lords.

http://twitter.com/MadameButcher/status/743871481541722112/photo/1

Username wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

The European Parliament doesn't actually write the EU rules/regulations and has no power to repeal them. That is done by the EU commission, it is an unelected body and as voters we have no say in its composition.

 

Unlike that well known bastion of representative democracy: the House of Lords.

 

http://twitter.com/MadameButcher/status/743871481541722112/photo/1

House of Lords is indeed undemocratic. I would like to see it abolished.

Being marginally better than the HoL doesn't make the EU commission a good thing.

You still can't vote for anyone in it. Or most of the parties in the EU parliament for that matter...

Rich_cb wrote:

 Being marginally better than the HoL doesn't make the EU commission a good thing. You still can't vote for anyone in it. Or most of the parties in the EU parliament for that matter...

We did vote for the ones who chose the Commisioners though.

atgni wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

 Being marginally better than the HoL doesn't make the EU commission a good thing. You still can't vote for anyone in it. Or most of the parties in the EU parliament for that matter...

We did vote for the ones who chose the Commisioners though.

And the ones who chose the majority of the HoL.

Rich_cb wrote:

atgni wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

 Being marginally better than the HoL doesn't make the EU commission a good thing. You still can't vote for anyone in it. Or most of the parties in the EU parliament for that matter...

We did vote for the ones who chose the Commisioners though.

And the ones who chose the majority of the HoL.

That's my point; we democratically chose the choosers!

atgni wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

atgni wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

 Being marginally better than the HoL doesn't make the EU commission a good thing. You still can't vote for anyone in it. Or most of the parties in the EU parliament for that matter...

We did vote for the ones who chose the Commisioners though.

And the ones who chose the majority of the HoL.

 

That's my point; we democratically chose the choosers!

That's not the same as democracy though.

We can't vote out an EU commissioner.

We can't vote for anyone with the power to repeal EU laws.

atgni wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

atgni wrote:

Rich_cb wrote:

 Being marginally better than the HoL doesn't make the EU commission a good thing. You still can't vote for anyone in it. Or most of the parties in the EU parliament for that matter...

We did vote for the ones who chose the Commisioners though.

And the ones who chose the majority of the HoL.

 

That's my point; we democratically chose the choosers!

Actually, it's not so simple, we chose then ONE who chose the Commission and currently that one is Jean-Claude Juncker, the man responsible for massive scale tax avoidance across the world especially in Europe.

And how can a system be democratic if you don't even know how it works.

The comparison by many with the house of lords is false because the house of lords do not choose what laws to write and then write them.

kie7077 wrote:

Colin Peyresourde wrote:

Is this article about the Brexit? I thought it was  bike website.

It was of course EU rules that mandated more good quality Cycle Lanes, The EU is so great, they also made sure we kept pollution low. No wait, the didn't, why not?

But at least they made sure everyone had the minimum wage and set the level, the Tories would never increase the minimu wage. And they put the brakes on immigration whilst we built more houses and to stop a race to the bottom for wages..... Oops, they didn't. But at least they are against privatisation of our essential monopoly services... errr no, they are rabidly pro-privatisation, the laws (Lisbon treaty etc) pratically stipulate it.

So they make sure we have good standards... no, with TTIP it's a race to the bottom, we get the worst standards, the gov't will get sued if a company can't compete because of a higher standard, when being pressed hard to remove ISDS all they want to do is fiddle with it.

So, I have now lost respect for Bob Geldof, like left-wingers he has no idea about what he is supporting. I like what Boris did for cycling in London but I couldn't vote for him and I don't like any of the other brexiters either and there's this bizarre argument going along we shouldn't vote brexit because of what the brexiters would do if we did exit, but the simple fact is that most brexit campaigners are not running the gov't so won't be doing anything if we brexit.

Will the economy take a hit if we brexit, I think short term it will, we will be punished by people who hold enough power to punish us, the emergency budget is exactly this, a threat of punishment. Democracy is more important than the economy IMO, the EU is clearly not democratic, the commission are no more democratic than any other quango and that is very much what they are, a quango.

i thought this was cycling website. Must be wrong. I'll go elsewhere then.

kie7077 wrote:

Colin Peyresourde wrote:

Is this article about the Brexit? I thought it was  bike website.

It was of course EU rules that mandated more good quality Cycle Lanes, The EU is so great, they also made sure we kept pollution low. No wait, the didn't, why not?

But at least they made sure everyone had the minimum wage and set the level, the Tories would never increase the minimu wage. And they put the brakes on immigration whilst we built more houses and to stop a race to the bottom for wages..... Oops, they didn't. But at least they are against privatisation of our essential monopoly services... errr no, they are rabidly pro-privatisation, the laws (Lisbon treaty etc) pratically stipulate it.

So they make sure we have good standards... no, with TTIP it's a race to the bottom, we get the worst standards, the gov't will get sued if a company can't compete because of a higher standard, when being pressed hard to remove ISDS all they want to do is fiddle with it.

So, I have now lost respect for Bob Geldof, like left-wingers he has no idea about what he is supporting. I like what Boris did for cycling in London but I couldn't vote for him and I don't like any of the other brexiters either and there's this bizarre argument going along we shouldn't vote brexit because of what the brexiters would do if we did exit, but the simple fact is that most brexit campaigners are not running the gov't so won't be doing anything if we brexit.

Will the economy take a hit if we brexit, I think short term it will, we will be punished by people who hold enough power to punish us, the emergency budget is exactly this, a threat of punishment. Democracy is more important than the economy IMO, the EU is clearly not democratic, the commission are no more democratic than any other quango and that is very much what they are, a quango.

How is the EU not democratic?  The only people who can pass EU laws are elected officials, or (elected) ministers from th EU nations.

The Leave side were asked to name a reputable study who said that we would be better off, or the same, as we are today after Brexit.  Couldn't do it.  We will undeniably be much worse off outside the EU economically. Whether you think this is a price worth paying for some vague feeling of empowerment is up to you. But don't try and pretend that it's not a massive gamble with the future of everyone in the country, as that is completely disingenuous.  You are risking the futures of all our children.  You have to decide whether it's worth it, and whether you can explain it to your kids when they can't get a job.

Colin Peyresourde wrote:

Is this article about the Brexit? I thought it was  bike website.

I think it's about Bob being a  total wanker, known as the 'Mr gimme your feckin money '