Video: Driver tailgates BBC's Jeremy Vine then kicks out at him

Skylark wrote:

There's nothing like cooking up a full blown incident in order to justify that investment of cameras on the bike and video editting off the bike.

What  a timid spoof.

Are you saying that catching incidents like dangerous driving and threatening behaviour on camera aren't worth the investment?

gawl07 wrote:

unconstituted [1196 posts] 3 days ago
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AsOriginalAsYou wrote:

Look, you disagree with me or don't understand (or both). Calling it bilge is not advancing a conversation and it's frankly boring. Google 'ad hominem' if you like.

 

For me to disagree with you, you would need to have a point.

 

All this is, is a stereotypical rabid reactionary trying to patch his self-esteem on the interweb by calling someone else a racist, sexist or whatever.

 

No-one cares.  You're like a weaksauce left-wing equivilent of Katie Hopkins and an embarassment to real left wingers who actually do and have worked in the social services with disadvantaged minorities.

 

Unconstituted, to put it in simple terms, even if you won't accept that the comment was racist, Yorkshire wallet's comment, 'That's why there's so many errant fathers in the black community.' implies that the errant fathers are errant because of the mothers. Which is sexist, unless you have stats to back up that 'fact' too?

Schoolboy error right here.

Getting sucked into the bait - my premise - that stats can disprove racism. 

You guys really do blow at this.

This is a cycling site, if you want to earn your stripes, go pick debates on this stuff on right or left wing forums. Many around. You definitely need the practice.

unconstituted wrote:

Spotted the Graun carrying a piece on the incident. Worth taking a look at the comments. Large share of them try to find a way to shoehorn in a whine about cyclists. And that's on a lefty (well faux-lefty at least) newssite. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/31/jeremy-vine-near-m...

 

No point going BBC or Daily Heil of course to see what's being said, that's full-on dipstick territory.

 

You can talk about infrastructure, or safety or whatever, but at the end of the day, the UK has a cultural issue that needs something at the institutional level to fix. I think the recent suggestion of cyclist awareness in the driving test is a good place to start.

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Come on, someone like you should know better than to call the Graun even "faux-lefty".  More like mainstream liberal with lefty heritage and readership.  The rot set in when they hired an editor who was a member of the Garrick club. 

I agree about the cultural issue on cyclists and the daily mail though.

barbarus wrote:

Come on, someone like you should know better than to call the Graun even "faux-lefty".  More like mainstream liberal with lefty heritage and readership.  The rot set in when they hired an editor who was a member of the Garrick club. 

I agree about the cultural issue on cyclists and the daily mail though.

no, before you post on the Gruaniad, you have to attend a socialist summer-school, with intensive lessons on Marx and RH Tawney. Once certified, you are issued with a special "LeftCard", which you insert into a usb reader, which along with your fingerprint, confirms your identity and permits you to post comments on articles. This ensures that all content on the Guardian is verifiably "left-wing", and thus ensures that everything seen there can be represented as such ...  

the presence of the majority of comments on the site that apparently complain about the left-wing bias of either the original article or other commenters are currently unexplained ...

unconstituted wrote:

Kneejerk waffle merchants. No substance.

 

When I call out someone for racism or sexism, I know how to do it properly. Not get all tied up in knots rambling blige about whether this is a matter for sociology or philosophy. LOL

 

Link your Facebook profiles people. Lets see all your BAME friends. Time to turn the mirror around - why the hypersensitivity? Must be some insecurity there. 

 

Facebook now. Go.

Omg are you seriously going down the "I'm not a racist, some of my best friends are black" road????

unconstituted wrote:

SiRUSH wrote:

what the feck is the black community?

 

Usually poke fun at people I disagree with.

 

But that's just embrassing. Wise up.

Wow.

After a chorus of very eloquent explanations and re-phrasing. The hunt for the last word goes on.

Chapeau!

AsOriginalAsYou wrote:

unconstituted wrote:

SiRUSH wrote:

what the feck is the black community?

 

Usually poke fun at people I disagree with.

 

But that's just embrassing. Wise up.

Wow. After a chorus of very eloquent explanations and re-phrasing. The hunt for the last word goes on. Chapeau!

Waffle is not elegance. 

Dodging a request for proof of racism with a cringeworthy mess is not an explanation. 

But yes, there has been rephrasing of clichéd kneejerkery. 

gin23deluxe wrote:

Happy clappers you got to love em, she should be F@@@ING jailed, so you think thats the correct behaviour for the Black or any other community, that behavour breeds Racism.

what I think a lot of people are having trouble grasping is that the colour of the driver's skin has no bearing on the case either way. The reason that the comment is racist (rather than the commentator, who I think is just a bit too stupid to really know what they are saying) is that you don't get comments on driver's skin colour (or the imagined stabilty of their relationships) if the driver is white. 

If there's any examples where this has happened, then I'll be glad to be corrected.

We cycle in our communities, and the UKIP/Brexit supporters who think they're getting some sort of ethnic cleansing are going to be sadly disappointed, so we're going to be staying a diverse community for sometime yet - so yeah, people who come out with this sort of comment are going to have to get used to be being challenged on it, even on cycle forums.   I really can't see it being something my son is going to be even imagining discussing, the same way I couldn't imagine the acceptance of diversity we have now being a possibility in my 70's childhood

Good for Jeremy Vine for putting this up and getting a wider debate going - the sooner everyone starts being just nicer to each other, and not making superficial judgements based purely on appearance, the better.  Particularly that ISIS lot, they give that shouty-lady a run for her money

riotgibbon wrote:

gin23deluxe wrote:

Happy clappers you got to love em, she should be F@@@ING jailed, so you think thats the correct behaviour for the Black or any other community, that behavour breeds Racism.

 

what I think a lot of people are having trouble grasping is that the colour of the driver's skin has no bearing on the case either way. The reason that the comment is racist (rather than the commentator, who I think is just a bit too stupid to really know what they are saying) is that you don't get comments on driver's skin colour (or the imagined stabilty of their relationships) if the driver is white. 

If there's any examples where this has happened, then I'll be glad to be corrected.

Here is an example of an eloquent rephrasing Unconstituted.

And to re-state it again.

The colour of the person's skin is in no way relevant to the event or any criminality. Yet, it was the first thing people talked about.

Why has it been bought up then? Is it chance? Unlikely.

The comment has focussed on the persons skin colour for no logical reason. Therefore there must be an illogical reason. In this case an illogical assoication of negative characteristics based upon someone's race or ethnicity

i.e racism.

I also agree that the comment can be racist without wholey disparaging the commentator. We've all got to clear our act up with this shit.

AsOriginalAsYou wrote:

riotgibbon wrote:

gin23deluxe wrote:

Happy clappers you got to love em, she should be F@@@ING jailed, so you think thats the correct behaviour for the Black or any other community, that behavour breeds Racism.

 

what I think a lot of people are having trouble grasping is that the colour of the driver's skin has no bearing on the case either way. The reason that the comment is racist (rather than the commentator, who I think is just a bit too stupid to really know what they are saying) is that you don't get comments on driver's skin colour (or the imagined stabilty of their relationships) if the driver is white. 

If there's any examples where this has happened, then I'll be glad to be corrected.

 

Here is an example of an eloquent rephrasing Unconstituted.

 

And to re-state it again.

 

The colour of the person's skin is in no way relevant to the event or any criminality. Yet, it was the first thing people talked about.

 

Why has it been bought up then? Is it chance? Unlikely.

 

The comment has focussed on the persons skin colour for no logical reason. Therefore there must be an illogical reason. In this case an illogical assoication of negative characteristics based upon someone's race or ethnicity

 

i.e racism.

 

I also agree that the comment can be racist without wholey disparaging the commentator. We've all got to clear our act up with this shit.

 

 

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You are absolutely useless at this. Horrendous actually.

Oh, 'someone mentioned skin colour, this is racism'. Okay you 12 year old Twitter warrior. 

Is this the best the left can do? No. Because there's guys like me who know how to properly tackle race and sexism when I want to.

Not one poster here has made one single valid point in tackling the actual original statement. And I have intentionally not given a clue about the direction it would need to go to do that, to see if anyone here has any substance whatsoever.

You're genuinely weak. No clue at all about black issues. 

riotgibbon wrote:

gin23deluxe wrote:

Happy clappers you got to love em, she should be F@@@ING jailed, so you think thats the correct behaviour for the Black or any other community, that behavour breeds Racism.

 

what I think a lot of people are having trouble grasping is that the colour of the driver's skin has no bearing on the case either way. The reason that the comment is racist (rather than the commentator, who I think is just a bit too stupid to really know what they are saying) is that you don't get comments on driver's skin colour (or the imagined stabilty of their relationships) if the driver is white. 

If there's any examples where this has happened, then I'll be glad to be corrected.

We cycle in our communities, and the UKIP/Brexit supporters who think they're getting some sort of ethnic cleansing are going to be sadly disappointed, so we're going to be staying a diverse community for sometime yet - so yeah, people who come out with this sort of comment are going to have to get used to be being challenged on it, even on cycle forums.   I really can't see it being something my son is going to be even imagining discussing, the same way I couldn't imagine the acceptance of diversity we have now being a possibility in my 70's childhood

Good for Jeremy Vine for putting this up and getting a wider debate going - the sooner everyone starts being just nicer to each other, and not making superficial judgements based purely on appearance, the better.  Particularly that ISIS lot, they give that shouty-lady a run for her money

Bit of a reach that isn't it thinking all UKIP/Brexit voters were expecting ethnic cleansing? I remember voting to leave the EU not for some sort of pogrom.

Subotai wrote:

Bit of a reach that isn't it thinking all UKIP/Brexit voters were expecting ethnic cleansing? I remember voting to leave the EU not for some sort of pogrom.

Exactly! I like the irony that the poster likes to call out prejudice and anyone for being 'anti-diversity', yet cannot conceive of a Brexit voter who does not fit their mould of UKIP-supporting-racist-ethnic-cleanser!

I won't comment on the rest of this, I think enough's been said!

700c wrote:

Subotai wrote:

Bit of a reach that isn't it thinking all UKIP/Brexit voters were expecting ethnic cleansing? I remember voting to leave the EU not for some sort of pogrom.

Exactly! I like the irony that the poster likes to call out prejudice and anyone for being 'anti-diversity', yet cannot conceive of a Brexit voter who does not fit their mould of UKIP-supporting-racist-ethnic-cleanser! I won't comment on the rest of this, I think enough's been said!

yeah, it sort of has some relation to the original post we all got so excited about, doesn't it?  Making an assumption about a group of people based upon a superficial aspect of their appearance/behaviour?