British man living in France pedalling 600 kilometres to Westminster to deliver anti-Brexit petition

lambylamby wrote:

thank you. Someone on the same page. I voted remain, but at the very least would have hoped for a British Government to be a little bit culpable of sorting out a deal. So many unions, companies, think tanks and so on are all pointing to the fact that the British Government are playing poker with people and business, because they have no bargaining chips whatsoever. When the leader herself stated she Believed remain would be the best option and a Brexit would be damaging, it makes me wonder how people cannot see there is no bargaining chip other than pretty petty options. Of course I wish the British Government stayed and reformed within, but here we are. Only today Boeing shafted Bombardier, just another example. I can think already of a few business that have shutdown because of Brexit 'already', because the pound alone is f*****d for trading exports, that's only a year after the referendum.

You're blaming Boeing shafting a Canadian company in the US because of the perceived threat of Bombardier's new airliner going for US contracts on Brexit...?

Do elaborate... Without reference to irrelevant family situations, if possible.

Helmut D. Bate wrote:

lambylamby wrote:

thank you. Someone on the same page. I voted remain, but at the very least would have hoped for a British Government to be a little bit culpable of sorting out a deal. So many unions, companies, think tanks and so on are all pointing to the fact that the British Government are playing poker with people and business, because they have no bargaining chips whatsoever. When the leader herself stated she Believed remain would be the best option and a Brexit would be damaging, it makes me wonder how people cannot see there is no bargaining chip other than pretty petty options. Of course I wish the British Government stayed and reformed within, but here we are. Only today Boeing shafted Bombardier, just another example. I can think already of a few business that have shutdown because of Brexit 'already', because the pound alone is f*****d for trading exports, that's only a year after the referendum.

You're blaming Boeing shafting a Canadian company in the US because of the perceived threat of Bombardier's new airliner going for US contracts on Brexit...? Do elaborate... Without reference to irrelevant family situations, if possible.

still spinning that weak little line are you? Must be a reflection on something that you are responsible for in your own personal life. I can only pity you, again, and I don't know if your understanding is up to scratch, that was a perfectly rationale example to the original post, of which you tried to bait me, yet you still haven't acknowledged what the response was over. I will not elaborate, I have a wonderful family to be with, less with replying to a weak, pathetic lonely little person with nothing better to do.

I tire with your stupidity. Use google, type bombardier and read.

lambylamby wrote:

Helmut D. Bate wrote:

lambylamby wrote:

thank you. Someone on the same page. I voted remain, but at the very least would have hoped for a British Government to be a little bit culpable of sorting out a deal. So many unions, companies, think tanks and so on are all pointing to the fact that the British Government are playing poker with people and business, because they have no bargaining chips whatsoever. When the leader herself stated she Believed remain would be the best option and a Brexit would be damaging, it makes me wonder how people cannot see there is no bargaining chip other than pretty petty options. Of course I wish the British Government stayed and reformed within, but here we are. Only today Boeing shafted Bombardier, just another example. I can think already of a few business that have shutdown because of Brexit 'already', because the pound alone is f*****d for trading exports, that's only a year after the referendum.

You're blaming Boeing shafting a Canadian company in the US because of the perceived threat of Bombardier's new airliner going for US contracts on Brexit...? Do elaborate... Without reference to irrelevant family situations, if possible.

 

still spinning that weak little line are you? Must be a reflection on something that you are responsible for in your own personal life. I can only pity you, again, and I don't know if your understanding is up to scratch, that was a perfectly rationale example to the original post, of which you tried to bait me, yet you still haven't acknowledged what the response was over. I will not elaborate, I have a wonderful family to be with, less with replying to a weak, pathetic lonely little person with nothing better to do.

I tire with your stupidity. Use google, type bombardier and read.

 

Question avoided. Gotcha. You haven't got a clue. It's past your bedtime and you can't find a worthy response on Google. You won't, either. You're blaming everything that looks a bit shit on Brexit at the moment, even when it has SFA to do with it.

Just remember that it was you who brought your family into this - completely unnecessarily. You should be ashamed of yourself.

lambylamby wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

nice - that would include me, my German wife and our mentally disabled daughter. I didn't cause any of this mess,  but if that makes you lick your lips at the thought that real people get affected, with the potential of me getting separated at worst from my daughter and wife, then that's more a judgement of your character. 

 

Your judgement of me reveals more about you than me.

You make a bigger jump than Baumgartner did by infering that I would get pleasure from circumstances such as your own. I am just a firm believer that you can only nail your colours to one mast.

Grahamd wrote:

lambylamby wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

nice - that would include me, my German wife and our mentally disabled daughter. I didn't cause any of this mess,  but if that makes you lick your lips at the thought that real people get affected, with the potential of me getting separated at worst from my daughter and wife, then that's more a judgement of your character. 

 

Your judgement of me reveals more about you than me.

You make a bigger jump than Baumgartner did by infering that I would get pleasure from circumstances such as your own. I am just a firm believer that you can only nail your colours to one mast.

 

 

 

 

 

You've made the first call. I have replied. If you think that for example my situation is my own fault, (I moved before the decision of a referendum) then your statement is whether you like it or not, enjoyment or a total lack of empathy at the misfortune of others, your choice. You've stated that you have no time for people like this, do you even realise what you are saying, have we done something bad moving countries before there was such a risk where the British government still don't know what they want? This happens to the people in the UK as well as in the EU, when the home office is sending letters to people to prepare to move out, then maybe you should re-evaluate whether that's a government you want to be living under. Just a thought.

lambylamby wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

lambylamby wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

nice - that would include me, my German wife and our mentally disabled daughter. I didn't cause any of this mess,  but if that makes you lick your lips at the thought that real people get affected, with the potential of me getting separated at worst from my daughter and wife, then that's more a judgement of your character. 

 

Your judgement of me reveals more about you than me.

You make a bigger jump than Baumgartner did by infering that I would get pleasure from circumstances such as your own. I am just a firm believer that you can only nail your colours to one mast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've made the first call. I have replied. If you think that for example my situation is my own fault, (I moved before the decision of a referendum) then your statement is whether you like it or not, enjoyment or a total lack of empathy at the misfortune of others, your choice. You've stated that you have no time for people like this, do you even realise what you are saying, have we done something bad moving countries before there was such a risk where the British government still don't know what they want? This happens to the people in the UK as well as in the EU, when the home office is sending letters to people to prepare to move out, then maybe you should re-evaluate whether that's a government you want to be living under. Just a thought.

There is no fault, bad or suchlike attributed to you or your family. The mess is the UK government and the EU with the posturing on both sides leaving families like yourself understandably feeling vulnerable. 

I am confident that negotiations on both sides will ensure families such as your own will be fine and I wish you well in this regard. 

I still fervently believe however, that to be living outside a country while expecting to have influence within it is fundamentally flawed.

Grahamd wrote:

lambylamby wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

lambylamby wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

nice - that would include me, my German wife and our mentally disabled daughter. I didn't cause any of this mess,  but if that makes you lick your lips at the thought that real people get affected, with the potential of me getting separated at worst from my daughter and wife, then that's more a judgement of your character. 

 

Your judgement of me reveals more about you than me.

You make a bigger jump than Baumgartner did by infering that I would get pleasure from circumstances such as your own. I am just a firm believer that you can only nail your colours to one mast.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You've made the first call. I have replied. If you think that for example my situation is my own fault, (I moved before the decision of a referendum) then your statement is whether you like it or not, enjoyment or a total lack of empathy at the misfortune of others, your choice. You've stated that you have no time for people like this, do you even realise what you are saying, have we done something bad moving countries before there was such a risk where the British government still don't know what they want? This happens to the people in the UK as well as in the EU, when the home office is sending letters to people to prepare to move out, then maybe you should re-evaluate whether that's a government you want to be living under. Just a thought.

There is no fault, bad or suchlike attributed to you or your family. The mess is the UK government and the EU with the posturing on both sides leaving families like yourself understandably feeling vulnerable. 

I am confident that negotiations on both sides will ensure families such as your own will be fine and I wish you well in this regard. 

I still fervently believe however, that to be living outside a country while expecting to have influence within it is fundamentally flawed.

 

 

and this is where I agree with you. The stance the uk AND the eu are playing is alarming, this is why I feel the whole thing is a shambles, from the British government asking for a referendum yet not knowing what exactly the people want as a result, or even consulting that before trigger happily setting off on article 50. I'm not however totally pro-EU, and the worst type of centre-rightists like Juncker/Tusk are just as bad with the posturing and not even willing to speak to the government until they bleed the British government dry, which in turn they don't even know what will entail, could even spend the money and still get shafted. I would have hoped that the problem would have been solved by staying within and working with a voice to get rid of these types, 40 years in the grand scheme of governments, countries and kingdoms is a short kiss at attempting something, and unfortunately half-hearted at that. What I find worrying mostly is the lack of empathy from government officials on both sides to secure the rights of people living on both sides of the pond. This in turn makes people indifferent to people who chose a path like myself, who didn't actually do anything wrong, Or deserve to be threatened with deportation (worst case scenario), being split up as families. I am aware this may not be the outcome, but I take nothing for granted with the way the Government have chosen to cast the first stones on negotiations. This would all be ok if rights were secured early on, and they should have been, but here we are. 

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

What about the Brexit backers like the American billionaire Robert Mercer? Presumably you think he should've stayed out of it too.

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

I am sure you have no time whatsoever for EU nationals that chose to make the UK their home, some like me, for over 20 years, who paid their taxes but were not allowed to vote in the referendum even though for some reason Commonwealth nationals resident in the Uk were.  Two important segments of people   UK nationals in the EU and Eu citizens resident in the Uk, directly affected by the outcome of the referendum were denied a vote. Nice one. F... the will of the people. 

Sub5orange wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

I am sure you have no time whatsoever for EU nationals that chose to make the UK their home, some like me, for over 20 years, who paid their taxes but were not allowed to vote in the referendum even though for some reason Commonwealth nationals resident in the Uk were.  Two important segments of people   UK nationals in the EU and Eu citizens resident in the Uk, directly affected by the outcome of the referendum were denied a vote. Nice one. F... the will of the people. 

my thoughts exactly. 

Sub5orange wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

I have no time whatsoever for people who choose to leave the UK and then complain about decisions made within the UK. These people generally pay no tax to the UK yet still expect to be catered for at all times. 

I am sure you have no time whatsoever for EU nationals that chose to make the UK their home, some like me, for over 20 years, who paid their taxes but were not allowed to vote in the referendum even though for some reason Commonwealth nationals resident in the Uk were.  Two important segments of people   UK nationals in the EU and Eu citizens resident in the Uk, directly affected by the outcome of the referendum were denied a vote. Nice one. F... the will of the people. 

This has spiralled; I have all the time in the world for anyone to live wherever they choose, to pay taxes in the same country and I believe they should be able to vote. I discussed voting and taxes with Douglas Hurd 30 years ago, I agree with you.

Where I disagree is that once that decision is made  you should not retain the right to also have influence in a second country to which you do not contribute.

To put it another way, just because my wife is Scottish does not entitle her to a vote on leaving the UK, and why should it, if it mattered that much we would be living there and contributing.

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Man who doesn't live in the UK concerned about the UK. He could have just gone for an epic ride but now he's turned it into a pointless pilgrimage.

alternatively -UK man who lives in EU very reasonably concerned about Brexit as it may affect his rights and status to live and work where he chooses. Still would have been easier just to email it in. 

WillRod wrote:

all you need now is a picture of a scantily clad woman with yet another tenuous link to the article.

We live in hope!