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Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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davel replied to Pushing50 | 6 years ago
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Pushing50 wrote:

brooksby wrote:

How on Earth can Matthew Briggs say that he "doesn't get drawn on emotive issues "? His entire campaign has been based on it! 

Precisley this and all previous comments. What sort of utopia is he looking for in his spouse's memory? The hypocrisy of the campaign is outstanding.

It's not Utopia he's looking for, if he's honest with himself. Nobody appeals for LTDA support in even the most twisted of black cabbie's Utopia. It's revenge. And who can blame him, really?

What shouldn't happen is that his vendetta be legitimised, via a campaign, with funding, platforms and parliamentary time.

It's not Briggs who should be apologising. He should be tucking his kids up in a world where their mother doesn't exist anymore.

It's Norman, and Alexander, and those who would waste parliamentary time on this shit and disregard road safety evidence, who need to explain themselves.

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FluffyKittenofT... replied to davel | 6 years ago
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davel wrote:
Pushing50 wrote:

brooksby wrote:

How on Earth can Matthew Briggs say that he "doesn't get drawn on emotive issues "? His entire campaign has been based on it! 

Precisley this and all previous comments. What sort of utopia is he looking for in his spouse's memory? The hypocrisy of the campaign is outstanding.

It's not Utopia he's looking for, if he's honest with himself. Nobody appeals for LTDA support in even the most twisted of black cabbie's Utopia. It's revenge. And who can blame him, really? What shouldn't happen is that his vendetta be legitimised, via a campaign, with funding, platforms and parliamentary time. It's not Briggs who should be apologising. He should be tucking his kids up in a world where their mother doesn't exist anymore. It's Norman, and Alexander, and those who would waste parliamentary time on this shit and disregard road safety evidence, who need to explain themselves.

 

Probably the best way to think about it, now you mention it.

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Housecathst | 6 years ago
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“He is due to be sentenced on 21 September.”

lets guess, lots of the judge ring his hands any saying “no sentences I can pass will bring back the cycling,” followed by a suspended sentence. 

 

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vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

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Grahamd replied to vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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vonhelmet wrote:

Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

Canlt help but wonder, what if the police had prosecuted him for stopping in ASL boxes just once. Wouldn’t have been that difficult surely.

 

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don simon fbpe replied to Grahamd | 6 years ago
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Grahamd wrote:

vonhelmet wrote:

Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

Canlt help but wonder, what if the police had prosecuted him for stopping in ASL boxes just once. Wouldn’t have been that difficult surely.

 

Can't help but think that we're moving in the right direction here. Should make other twatty drivers think before starting on the route of entering ASL boxes with an attitude like that.

Plod probably could have done more and yes we've lost a sister, but more prosecutions we get, the better.

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ChrisB200SX replied to don simon fbpe | 6 years ago
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don simon wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

vonhelmet wrote:

Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

Can't help but wonder, what if the police had prosecuted him for stopping in ASL boxes just once. Wouldn’t have been that difficult surely.

 

Can't help but think that we're moving in the right direction here. Should make other twatty drivers think before starting on the route of entering ASL boxes with an attitude like that.

Plod probably could have done more and yes we've lost a sister, but more prosecutions we get, the better.

I've asked Traffic Police, sat in a queue going the opposite way alongside a car stopped in the ASL box, if they were going to do anything about it. They looked at me as if I was asking them to serve me coffee and said it's not a priority (while they are sat going nowhere, doing absolutely nothing else). They got really arsey with me (as if i'd shat on their laps or something)  when I said "So, you're not going to do anything". So many drivers, and practically all motorbikers, stop in the ASL in London. I really needs to be socially unacceptable as the people that do it are more likely to break other rules that are dangerous to others.
At least he's been found guilty of something, will be interesting to see the sentence that might serve as a deterrent to others.

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brooksby replied to ChrisB200SX | 6 years ago
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ChrisB200SX wrote:

don simon wrote:

Grahamd wrote:

vonhelmet wrote:

Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

Can't help but wonder, what if the police had prosecuted him for stopping in ASL boxes just once. Wouldn’t have been that difficult surely.

 

Can't help but think that we're moving in the right direction here. Should make other twatty drivers think before starting on the route of entering ASL boxes with an attitude like that.

Plod probably could have done more and yes we've lost a sister, but more prosecutions we get, the better.

I've asked Traffic Police, sat in a queue going the opposite way alongside a car stopped in the ASL box, if they were going to do anything about it. They looked at me as if I was asking them to serve me coffee and said it's not a priority (while they are sat going nowhere, doing absolutely nothing else). They got really arsey with me (as if i'd shat on their laps or something)  when I said "So, you're not going to do anything". So many drivers, and practically all motorbikers, stop in the ASL in London. I really needs to be socially unacceptable as the people that do it are more likely to break other rules that are dangerous to others.
At least he's been found guilty of something, will be interesting to see the sentence that might serve as a deterrent to others.

Its not just in London. I think most motorcyclists genuinely believe that ASLs are for their protection too (and in all fairness I think an argument could be made for that). But I think it's like one in three cars I see will roll over into an ASL as the lights change, or creep forward into it in anticipation of the lights changing to green. Might be even higher than that. Pretty much every time I've used an ASL I've been sharing it with a motor vehicle of one kind or another  (is that what they mean by sharing the road?).  

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Hirsute replied to vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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vonhelmet wrote:

Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

I'm sure Mr Briggs will be petitioning the Coach Union National Transporters Society to crack down on cyclists using the ASL boxes.

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janusz0 replied to vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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vonhelmet wrote:

Glad to see that coach driver was found guilty. He sounded like a nasty piece of work.

It's good to read the outcome, but what happened to the promised follow up to the original court report?

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Al__S | 6 years ago
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I'm pretty convinced Matthew Briggs knew exactly what he was doing there.

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burtthebike | 6 years ago
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Most amazing thing about the new Shimano rear mech is the contra-rotating gears.  How do they do that?

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hawkinspeter replied to burtthebike | 6 years ago
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burtthebike wrote:

Most amazing thing about the new Shimano rear mech is the contra-rotating gears.  How do they do that?

That'd be the new clutch mechanism.

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Housecathst | 6 years ago
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Whatever sympathy I had for Briggs is gone, he’s an attention seeker.

As he’s said numerous times, he has no interest in road safety or pedestrians safety, he’s just interested in nailing the 1 cyclist a year that’s involved in a death and to hell with everybody else. 

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Mungecrundle | 6 years ago
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Maybe Mr Briggs could bring up the following fatalities, what with the victims having being killed by taxi drivers and the LTA being a taxi driver representative body.

29.12.17 Robert Smith, 67; killed by a taxi driver in Victoria

25.11.16 Unknown, 95; killed by a taxi driver in Ilford

26.01.15 – Hubert Mallet, 25; killed by a taxi driver, Great Eastern Street, Shoreditch.

Source: London.wordpress.com

Or indeed the 354 pedestrians involved in recorded injury accidents with taxis. For reference 237 pedestrians were in recorded injury incidents with pedal cyclists for the same period.

Source: TfL factsheet. Casualities in Greater London for 2015.

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don simon fbpe | 6 years ago
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I wonder what Mrs Briggs would make of her legacy.

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fenix | 6 years ago
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Wouldn't his time and effort be better spent on campaigns for pedestrians to stop and look before crossing the road ?   I know the cyclist was a nob in that case but the whole incident didn't have to happen.

 

Pursuing a law change that will get used maybe once a decade and saves nobody doesn't make sense to me.  

 

I'd rather not have the loss of a loved one in the first place. 

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srchar | 6 years ago
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And with a single ill-judged tweet, the Briggs campaign shows itself not to be concerned with the general safety of all road users, but merely yet another sad anti-cycling movement.

I notice he's taken a leave of absence from Twitter, due to the "toxicity of relations between different groups of road users".  A toxicity which he himself has now contributed to.

Up next, we canvass turkey farmers for their opinion on what constitutes a good Christmas dinner.

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alansmurphy | 6 years ago
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Dear Mr Briggs,

 

You are asking a group of people who have a much higher propensity than cyclists to kill people, to bring about a law that will make no difference in essence.

 

Your efforts would be much better focussed on getting the roads policed adequately, ensuring more sustainable transport was accessible, teaching people the green cross code or to use crossings that are available and that things such as mobile phones distract and cause deaths.

 

Maybe even spend some time with your kids.

 

Even if you undertook these steps, there would still be at least one bloke with an unsuitable bike and/or an uninsured, speeding, drunk driver likely to kill.

 

I look forward to seeing you on The Celebrity Love Broter Bake Jungle in the coming years!

 

From,

 

Me

 

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Miller | 6 years ago
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I wonder what Kim Briggs husband expects taxis to say as he signs off his request to the taxi drivers with "And thank you for the continued support & kindness you show me". I doubt he thinks they will respond by saying that current laws are perfectly adequate.

How many peds and cyclists do taxis kill and injure each year?

 

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gonedownhill | 6 years ago
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Just to point out that the consulation that the Briggs campaign is open to all to respond to. I know I have.

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davel replied to gonedownhill | 6 years ago
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gonedownhill wrote:

Just to point out that the consulation that the Briggs campaign is open to all to respond to. I know I have.

This.

It goes beyond cycling and gaps in law. Share it with anyone who would be concerned by an outlier, a statistical anomaly, being used to drive campaigns, parliamentary time and possible law changes.

It's not going to cut any ice with Mr Briggs, but using his wife's case in this respect, when there was so much wrong with the CPS approach and police evidence anyway, is terrible knee-jerking. It's got 'unintended consequences' written all over it, and those who've jumped on it, who should fucking know better, like Jesse Norman, Heidi Alexander and various rags, are behaving shamefully.

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ChrisB200SX | 6 years ago
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Imagine if Mrs Briggs was instead killed by a dangerous driver, imagine further that she was cycling at the time she was killed. Do we think that he would be calling for new driving laws and getting as much traction?

Mr Briggs is stirring it... and he damn well knows it!

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davel | 6 years ago
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"Would be nice if EVERYONE else did the same. We all have to share these imperfect roads!"

The road (with a glass- and shit-strewn bit of white paint for a cyclelane) to hell is paved with good intentions, courtesy of single-issue campaigns with an agenda and media asshats giving them platforms.

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bikeandy61 | 6 years ago
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Easy way to gain support. Ask a group who already have a given bias. Similar tactics to Cameron's last General Election campaign. Promise an EU referendum so the Tory waverers who may have gone UKIP vote Tory and keep him as PM. Don't give a stuff to the consequences.

Maybe they should run a campaign in the Mail to drum up support, another guaranteed winner. Though to be fair there aren't many media outlets that don't promote the anti-cyclist hate campaign.

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vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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What the hell do taxi drivers know about safe cycling? They apparently don’t know shit about safe driving, so why would anyone care about what they think about cycling?

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Hirsute replied to vonhelmet | 6 years ago
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vonhelmet wrote:

What the hell do taxi drivers know about safe cycling? They apparently don’t know shit about safe driving, so why would anyone care about what they think about cycling?

My abiding memory of a black cab is in High Holborn.

Fare sticks arm out, driver pulls over into cycle lane to get fare, cyclist in the cycle lane almost runs into the back of the rapidly decelerating cab.

Sorry, Mr Briggs, but this is just a demonisation of cyclists based on one freakish incident involving poor choices by both parties.

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EddyBerckx | 6 years ago
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Hmmmmm asking the LTDA their opinion of cyclists (or anyone not a black cabbie) is almost like asking the KKK their opinion of Barack Obama.

 

They don't represent cabbies at all, they are a bunch of hypocritical nutters given too much power. I don't wanna have a go at this Briggs guy, he's a had a terrble loss but at some point yeah, his actions *could* end up killing far more people than Charlie Alliston did, although of course he doesn't mean it that way. 

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hawkinspeter replied to EddyBerckx | 6 years ago
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StoopidUserName wrote:

Hmmmmm asking the LTDA their opinion of cyclists (or anyone not a black cabbie) is almost like asking the KKK their opinion of Barack Obama.

 

They don't represent cabbies at all, they are a bunch of hypocritical nutters given too much power. I don't wanna have a go at this Briggs guy, he's a had a terrble loss but at some point yeah, his actions *could* end up killing far more people than Charlie Alliston did, although of course he doesn't mean it that way. 

One of these days, we're going to see an approach to road safety that involves evidence and doesn't go looking for polarised opinions.

Today is not that day.

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davel replied to hawkinspeter | 6 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

StoopidUserName wrote:

Hmmmmm asking the LTDA their opinion of cyclists (or anyone not a black cabbie) is almost like asking the KKK their opinion of Barack Obama.

 

They don't represent cabbies at all, they are a bunch of hypocritical nutters given too much power. I don't wanna have a go at this Briggs guy, he's a had a terrble loss but at some point yeah, his actions *could* end up killing far more people than Charlie Alliston did, although of course he doesn't mean it that way. 

One of these days, we're going to see an approach to road safety that involves evidence and doesn't go looking for polarised opinions.

Today is not that day.

Well, we knew as much, didn't we...

This is basically the Briggs Campaign admitting that they're not about road safety. They're just out to get cyclists.

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