Near Miss of the Day 229: Shocking left hook by taxi driver

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

.. i.e., another prick who thinks that putting indicators on confers some 'right of way'.

BTW .. 'self promotion'?  LOL!  Grow the fuck up.

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

.. i.e., another prick who thinks that putting indicators on confers some 'right of way'.

BTW .. 'self promotion'?  LOL!  Grow the fuck up.

Ahh, the beautiful irony.

You post on here playing down an incident to try and promote and incident that you had. When others play down the incident you had you have a fit 

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

.. i.e., another prick who thinks that putting indicators on confers some 'right of way'.

BTW .. 'self promotion'?  LOL!  Grow the fuck up.

Ahh, the beautiful irony.

You post on here playing down an incident to try and promote and incident that you had. When others play down the incident you had you have a fit 

Yep.  Definitely not a native English speaker.

That's fine. 

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

.. i.e., another prick who thinks that putting indicators on confers some 'right of way'.

BTW .. 'self promotion'?  LOL!  Grow the fuck up.

Ahh, the beautiful irony.

You post on here playing down an incident to try and promote and incident that you had. When others play down the incident you had you have a fit 

Just to be clear:

• Writing that an incident is 'egregious and borderline murderous' is not 'playing down' that incident. 
• Pasting a link to an incident involving me is not 'promoting', because I don't earn any money from YouTube, and have no wish to earn money from YouTube.
• Using the word 'standard' does not imply that I 'agree' with the actions of the driver in that video.  Nor does it imply that the behaviour of the driver is not to be condemned, or that it is to be 'tolerated'. 

I hope that's a bit clearer.

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

.. i.e., another prick who thinks that putting indicators on confers some 'right of way'.

BTW .. 'self promotion'?  LOL!  Grow the fuck up.

Ahh, the beautiful irony.

You post on here playing down an incident to try and promote and incident that you had. When others play down the incident you had you have a fit 

Just to be clear:

• Writing that an incident is 'egregious and borderline murderous' is not 'playing down' that incident. 
• Pasting a link to an incident involving me is not 'promoting', because I don't earn any money from YouTube, and have no wish to earn money from YouTube.
• Using the word 'standard' does not imply that I 'agree' with the actions of the driver in that video.  Nor does it imply that the behaviour of the driver is not to be condemned, or that it is to be 'tolerated'. 

I hope that's a bit clearer.

The definition of "egregious" is either:

1 Outstandingly bad; shocking.
Or
2 (archaic) Remarkably good.

As you also claimed that it was not shocking (and that you don't find murder shocking) then that rules out the first definition so that means that that you must have thought it was "Remarkably good"

You do not have to earn money from a thing in order to be promoting it, I don't think you fully understand what self promotion is.

As I have already said, using the word "standard" does not imply that it is tolorated, the added opinion that it is not "shocking" does though. 

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

If it is acceptable then it is able to be tolerated or allowed, you are claiming that it is not shocking and that it is standard so by definition acceptable

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

If it is acceptable then it is able to be tolerated or allowed, you are claiming that it is not shocking and that it is standard so by definition acceptable

What the actual fuck..?

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

If it is acceptable then it is able to be tolerated or allowed, you are claiming that it is not shocking and that it is standard so by definition acceptable

What the actual fuck..?

The dictionary definition of "acceptable" is "Able to be tolerated or allowed"

If you are having difficulty with the word "tollorate", the definition is "Accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance."

As you are claiming that this footage is not shocking and is standard then you are tollorating it and therefore it is logical that you are accepting it.

For me it is not acceptable, it is shocking and it is definately not standard. To claim that it is just furthers claims that cycling is too dangerous, which is wrong and not helping cyclists be any safer. You claim that most drivers are like this but I do not see more than 50% of the drivers in your video acting in this way, in fact II don't even see 1% of drivers in your video acting in such a dangerous way!

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

What is shocking is your attitude that this is an acceptable norm!

Also, having unfortunately watched the video (after clicking on your poorly disguesed self promotion post) I have to agree that the situation was avoidable. Yes the car should have waited,  it looks like they thought they had enough time as they were not anticipating the bus having to stop for the zebra crossing. They did make that error in judgement but they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions.

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

If it is acceptable then it is able to be tolerated or allowed, you are claiming that it is not shocking and that it is standard so by definition acceptable

What the actual fuck..?

The dictionary definition of "acceptable" is "Able to be tolerated or allowed"

If you are having difficulty with the word "tollorate", the definition is "Accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance."

As you are claiming that this footage is not shocking and is standard then you are tollorating it and therefore it is logical that you are accepting it.

For me it is not acceptable, it is shocking and it is definately not standard. To claim that it is just furthers claims that cycling is too dangerous, which is wrong and not helping cyclists be any safer. You claim that most drivers are like this but I do not see more than 50% of the drivers in your video acting in this way, in fact II don't even see 1% of drivers in your video acting in such a dangerous way!

Being kind now, I am guessing that English isn't your native language?

Stating that something is 'standard' in no way implies that I consider it to be 'acceptable' or 'able to be tolerated'.  

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

 

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

If it is acceptable then it is able to be tolerated or allowed, you are claiming that it is not shocking and that it is standard so by definition acceptable

What the actual fuck..?

The dictionary definition of "acceptable" is "Able to be tolerated or allowed"

If you are having difficulty with the word "tollorate", the definition is "Accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance."

As you are claiming that this footage is not shocking and is standard then you are tollorating it and therefore it is logical that you are accepting it.

For me it is not acceptable, it is shocking and it is definately not standard. To claim that it is just furthers claims that cycling is too dangerous, which is wrong and not helping cyclists be any safer. You claim that most drivers are like this but I do not see more than 50% of the drivers in your video acting in this way, in fact II don't even see 1% of drivers in your video acting in such a dangerous way!

Being kind now, I am guessing that English isn't your native language?

Stating that something is 'standard' in no way implies that I consider it to be 'acceptable' or 'able to be tolerated'.  

You are right, stating something is "standard" does not imply that you find it acceptable. Also stating that it is not shocking does though.

To help you out, the definition of "shocking" is "causing indignation or disgust; offensive" so if you do not find it shocking then you do not find it to be offensive so it is therefore acceptable.

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

 

BTW2 .. where do I say that this is in any way 'acceptable'?  I simply said it doesn't shock me.

If it is acceptable then it is able to be tolerated or allowed, you are claiming that it is not shocking and that it is standard so by definition acceptable

What the actual fuck..?

The dictionary definition of "acceptable" is "Able to be tolerated or allowed"

If you are having difficulty with the word "tollorate", the definition is "Accept or endure (someone or something unpleasant or disliked) with forbearance."

As you are claiming that this footage is not shocking and is standard then you are tollorating it and therefore it is logical that you are accepting it.

For me it is not acceptable, it is shocking and it is definately not standard. To claim that it is just furthers claims that cycling is too dangerous, which is wrong and not helping cyclists be any safer. You claim that most drivers are like this but I do not see more than 50% of the drivers in your video acting in this way, in fact II don't even see 1% of drivers in your video acting in such a dangerous way!

Being kind now, I am guessing that English isn't your native language?

Stating that something is 'standard' in no way implies that I consider it to be 'acceptable' or 'able to be tolerated'.  

You are right, stating something is "standard" does not imply that you find it acceptable. Also stating that it is not shocking does though.

No it doesn't.  I am not 'shocked' when people murder each other, either.   Do you think I find murder 'acceptable', too? [/quote]

cycle.london wrote:

 

I am not 'shocked' when people murder each other, either.   Do you think I find murder 'acceptable', too?

What I am starting to think , is that you are displaying a lot of indicators of a sociopath...

BTW3...

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back........

they also had been indicating for long enough for you to anticipate their actions

6.8 seconds.

Which part of 'indicators don't give you right of way' are causing you problems?

cycle.london wrote:

An egregious and borderline murderous left hook, but sorry - what exactly is 'shocking' about it?

It looks like the standard behaviour of the driver who doesn't give a shit about others (which is to say: most of them).

I was left hooked by a driver a few weeks back.  Took the very unusual step (for me) of going after the car to have a word.  As I got closer, I saw that the driver was female and that there was a child present, so I slowed right down and stopped well away from the driver's door, so as not to be perceived as threatening.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKaeEik6P8k&t=13s

She first claimed that there had been loads of room. 

'If there was loads of room, how was I able to reach out and rap my knuckles on the window?'

Silence.

Then she claimed that I had been 'undertaking' her.

I pointed out that I was in a cycle lane.

Silence.

As you can see, the first (and so far only) person to comment claimed that I had accelerated towards the car.  My speedometer demonstrates that this was not the case.  It was also implied that because she had been indicating, I should have 'eased off'.   Another prick who thinks that the fact that one puts indicators on, gives right of way.

So because you couldn't be bothered to anticipate a bit and ease off,  you decide to make a big issue of it.

Coupled with the blatant rudeness of your replies on YouTube - you don't get any sympathy from me here.

As road users we need to need to anticipate and not make mountains out of molehills - make a noise when it's important and worth it, rather than borderline situations like this.

PRSboy wrote:

Get onto the local council too- the driver presumably has a taxi licence.

Definitely, hopefully that will end the driver's licence.