Near Miss of the Day 229: Shocking left hook by taxi driver

CygnusX1 wrote:

hawkinspeter Sciuridae wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

In both videos the drivers should have anticipated and hung back until the cyclists had cleared the junctions.

Neither cyclist did anything wrong.

One cyclist would more than likely have suffered more significant injuries than the other.

 

Can we stop excusing drivers for poor driving, please?

Had that video been watched in isolation, there would be a different line to the thread about piss poor driving. But yes, cycle.london should have been taught a lesson by the lady driver and serve them bloody well right, just because I can't handle their attitude!!!

How do you get your name changed? What does the "fbpe" mean?

Edit: Never mind, I think I've figured out how to change my username

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/17/fbpe-what-is-pro-eu-hashta...

I'm sure changing your display name is as simple as editing your profile on road.cc

Weird. I'm sure I quoted you before your edit, yet it picked it up when I hit save. 

hawkinspeter Sciuridae wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

In both videos the drivers should have anticipated and hung back until the cyclists had cleared the junctions.

Neither cyclist did anything wrong.

One cyclist would more than likely have suffered more significant injuries than the other.

 

Can we stop excusing drivers for poor driving, please?

Had that video been watched in isolation, there would be a different line to the thread about piss poor driving. But yes, cycle.london should have been taught a lesson by the lady driver and serve them bloody well right, just because I can't handle their attitude!!!

How do you get your name changed? What does the "fbpe" mean?

Edit: Never mind, I think I've figured out how to change my username

That blue account tab up there.

EDIT: then change name.

fbpe = https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/17/fbpe-what-is-pro-eu-hashta...

don simon fbpe wrote:

hawkinspeter Sciuridae wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

In both videos the drivers should have anticipated and hung back until the cyclists had cleared the junctions.

Neither cyclist did anything wrong.

One cyclist would more than likely have suffered more significant injuries than the other.

 

Can we stop excusing drivers for poor driving, please?

Had that video been watched in isolation, there would be a different line to the thread about piss poor driving. But yes, cycle.london should have been taught a lesson by the lady driver and serve them bloody well right, just because I can't handle their attitude!!!

How do you get your name changed? What does the "fbpe" mean?

Edit: Never mind, I think I've figured out how to change my username

That blue account tab up there.

EDIT: then change name.

fbpe = https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/17/fbpe-what-is-pro-eu-hashta...

That's the first time that I've come across fbpe, but maybe after recent events it'll become more popular.

I was going to try to think of something witty to change my name to, but then realised that I'd more than likely forget it and have trouble logging in to post pics.

hawkinspeter wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

hawkinspeter Sciuridae wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

In both videos the drivers should have anticipated and hung back until the cyclists had cleared the junctions.

Neither cyclist did anything wrong.

One cyclist would more than likely have suffered more significant injuries than the other.

 

Can we stop excusing drivers for poor driving, please?

Had that video been watched in isolation, there would be a different line to the thread about piss poor driving. But yes, cycle.london should have been taught a lesson by the lady driver and serve them bloody well right, just because I can't handle their attitude!!!

How do you get your name changed? What does the "fbpe" mean?

Edit: Never mind, I think I've figured out how to change my username

That blue account tab up there.

EDIT: then change name.

fbpe = https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/17/fbpe-what-is-pro-eu-hashta...

That's the first time that I've come across fbpe, but maybe after recent events it'll become more popular.

I was going to try to think of something witty to change my name to, but then realised that I'd more than likely forget it and have trouble logging in to post pics.

You'd surely remember Squirrel McSquirrelface, wouldn't you?

don simon fbpe wrote:

hawkinspeter wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

hawkinspeter Sciuridae wrote:

don simon fbpe wrote:

In both videos the drivers should have anticipated and hung back until the cyclists had cleared the junctions.

Neither cyclist did anything wrong.

One cyclist would more than likely have suffered more significant injuries than the other.

 

Can we stop excusing drivers for poor driving, please?

Had that video been watched in isolation, there would be a different line to the thread about piss poor driving. But yes, cycle.london should have been taught a lesson by the lady driver and serve them bloody well right, just because I can't handle their attitude!!!

How do you get your name changed? What does the "fbpe" mean?

Edit: Never mind, I think I've figured out how to change my username

That blue account tab up there.

EDIT: then change name.

fbpe = https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jan/17/fbpe-what-is-pro-eu-hashta...

That's the first time that I've come across fbpe, but maybe after recent events it'll become more popular.

I was going to try to think of something witty to change my name to, but then realised that I'd more than likely forget it and have trouble logging in to post pics.

You'd surely remember Squirrel McSquirrelface, wouldn't you?

Probably not.

CygnusX1 wrote:

Back to the original video  -- WTF is that metallic thing bottom left of screen? Looks like the top of a swimming pool ladder.

I think it is a Pletcher (?) map holding device.  I used to have one twenty years ago.

burtthebike wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

Back to the original video  -- WTF is that metallic thing bottom left of screen? Looks like the top of a swimming pool ladder.

I think it is a Pletcher (?) map holding device.  I used to have one twenty years ago.

You, sir, are correct (apart from spelling). Quick google found this:

https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/accessoriesmaps-navigation-holders/pletscher...

CygnusX1 wrote:

Back to the original video 

Fat chance.

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

So neither the cyclist nor driver had right of way......

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

Or we could be feeding a troll.

I think the only one here who has used offensive language is you.

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

Or we could be feeding a troll.

I think the only one here who has used offensive language is you.

Oh FFS, here we go .. 'when in doubt, call him a troll'.

cycle.london wrote:

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

Or we could be feeding a troll.

I think the only one here who has used offensive language is you.

Oh FFS, here we go .. 'when in doubt, call him a troll'.

 

(Off go get popcorn).

You are remakably self-righteous and so easy to wind up.  

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

Or we could be feeding a troll.

I think the only one here who has used offensive language is you.

Oh FFS, here we go .. 'when in doubt, call him a troll'.

 

 

(Off go get popcorn).

You are remakably self-righteous and so easy to wind up.  

Erm, it actually doesn't look like he's getting wound up at all.  It looks more like exasperation that he's being accused of having opinions that he never espoused, and that those doing so are either being deliberately disingenuous, or else they really are a bit thick, as he's suggested.

But hey, what do I know?  I'm just a troll/sock puppet/anarchist/car driver*

* delete as applicable

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

Or we could be feeding a troll.

I think the only one here who has used offensive language is you.

Oh FFS, here we go .. 'when in doubt, call him a troll'.

 

 

(Off go get popcorn).

You are remakably self-righteous and so easy to wind up.  

Erm, it actually doesn't look like he's getting wound up at all.  It looks more like exasperation that he's being accused of having opinions that he never espoused, and that those doing so are either being deliberately disingenuous, or else they really are a bit thick, as he's suggested.

But hey, what do I know?  I'm just a troll/sock puppet/anarchist/car driver*

 

* delete as applicable

Cycle.London has clearly stated that they do not think that the original video was not shocking and that it is just the standard behaviour by the majority of drivers.

This is not an attitude that is in my opinion helpful to the furtherment of increasing the safety of cyclists on the road. Nor do I feel that it is accurate to state that this is the standard of driving held by >50% of motorists

ClubSmed wrote:

Cycle.London has clearly stated that they do not think that the original video was not shocking and that it is just the standard behaviour by the majority of drivers.

Well, it doesn't actually 'shock' me either. Drivers are twats - I obviously agree. I don't think his video was particularly 'shocking' either, however.  Both videos basically just demonstrate what is an everyday occurrence for cyclists.  Could that be what he meant by 'standard'?

Legs_Eleven_Worcester wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

Cycle.London has clearly stated that they do not think that the original video was not shocking and that it is just the standard behaviour by the majority of drivers.

Well, it doesn't actually 'shock' me either. Drivers are twats - I obviously agree. I don't think his video was particularly 'shocking' either, however.  Both videos basically just demonstrate what is an everyday occurrence for cyclists.  Could that be what he meant by 'standard'?

That's precisely what I meant.  I did NOT claim thagt it was somehow 'acceptable'.

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

mustgettaller wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

ClubSmed wrote:

cycle.london wrote:

CygnusX1 wrote:

"How To Win Friends and Influence People" by cycle.london  -- Sales: appoximately just below 1.  

I'm with StuInNorway (on youtube) and other posters here - that's a pretty minor league example of a left hook, and you had plenty of time to anticipate her actions, adjust speed and/or make a course alteration. Oh, and just before you start the ad-hominem attacks just because someone holds a diffrent viewpoint, that's not saying she had the right of way just because she had a flashing orange light.

Two straw men for the price of one.  I'm impressed.

Q.  did she have right of way?

* yes - cyclist was in the wrong

* no - driver was in the wrong

End of discussion, move along now.  Nothing to see, move along.

To quote the highway code:

.... virtually none of which is enforceable.

ClubSmed wrote:

"The rules in The Highway Code do not give you the right of way in any circumstance, but they advise you when you should give way to others. Always give way if it can help to avoid an incident."

LOL .. what is this?  Who gave way, and who didn't?

My God, what a fucking tit... really.  I mean, you have to be doing this for a dare.

Or we could be feeding a troll.

I think the only one here who has used offensive language is you.

Oh FFS, here we go .. 'when in doubt, call him a troll'.

 

 

(Off go get popcorn).

You are remakably self-righteous and so easy to wind up.  

Why do people always think that you're being 'wound up' or are 'a troll' if you use 'bad' language?

Of course 'troll' is a standard Internet technique to shut someone down - or even better to persuade moderators/admins that someone's opinions are not sincerely held, and get their posts removed and possibly even a ban for the person concerned.  It's a bit like 'pædophile' on newsgroups - a straw man immediately putting the person on the defensive, forcing him or her to deny being 'a troll'. 

Tommytrucker wrote:

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I'm bored, now.

I suspect the rest of you have been bored for quite a while.

danhopgood wrote:

Really nasty left hook by the taxi and very dangerous.  Needs pursuing. 

I'm not sympathetic to the  cycle.london example though.  Overtaking car underestimated bike's speed and how much the bus would slow down.  Slight error on their part - give 'em a break and ease off!  

That cycle path is much used by cyclists coming through Eltham, heading towards Sidcup and Bexleyheath.  I drive it daily, since I go to get my wife at the station, so I head west towards Eltham on that road by car, and I head east again once collecting my wife.   And as I drive down past the junction with Riefield Road, past the filling station and onto Blackfen Road, there are very often cyclists belting it down that road.  And as we indicate and turn left further on, how come I don't cut across cyclists?   I will do the 'life saver' over my left shoulder, and if my wife's there, she'll reflexively do the same thing.   And vice versa.  If there's a cyclist in that lane, I'll stop until he or she has passed me. 

If I can do it, and I'm no more than an average driver, why can't others do it? 

cycle.london wrote:

As you can see, the first (and so far only) person to comment claimed that I had accelerated towards the car.

Judging by the username, they post on here, so have good debate !