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“It’s s*** you can’t trust anybody to do the right thing”: Independent cycle shop forced to massively discount custom bike frame after being “completely stuffed” by customer who failed to pay; Reaction to Louise Haigh resignation + more on the live blog

Just a normal Friday, no capitalist sinisterness associated to it… Adwitiya’s on duty to bring you the latest cycling news and views (and deals, if the sinister overlords compel him to)

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29 November 2024, 09:35
Feather Cycles custom frame head tube (@feathercycles on Instagram)
“It’s s*** you can’t trust anybody to do the right thing”: Independent cycle shop forced to massively discount custom bike frame after being “completely stuffed” by customer who failed to pay for it

An uncannily on-point story for this Black Friday — the only thing is that this discount isn’t born out of a place of corporate greed or any capitalist shenanigans.

Ricky Feather, the craftsman behind Feather Cycles from York known for making custom frames and winner of Bespoked Bristol, has shared the story of how he was duped for the third time this year by a customer who failed to pay for the frame, after all the fabrication was completed.

Despite having a pre-fab payment system in place, Ricky thought he would start building the frame as it was for someone he knew, giving them the benefit of the doubt. His goodwill didn’t pay much dividends unfortunately, as it marked the third time he was left “completely stuffed” this year.

> Meet the Maker: Ricky Feather video

Bespoked Bristol 2022 feather cycles head tube

“This frame is a perfect example of why around two years ago I was forced into a corner to not start any work without full payment for fabrication,” he wrote on social media. “It was a decision I didn’t take lightly as I really feared it would affect business.”

“The decision came after I was left broke, three Christmases in a row due to customers not paying invoices on completion of their frame.

“Luckily, my customers have been really understanding of the situation. Without cash flow, it’s impossible for small businesses to exist.

“Over the last 15 years, I have overcome a lot of hurdles and have had to make changes accordingly. It’s been tough, but I’m super stubborn and don’t let anything stop me. After all, I have no degree or qualifications to fall back on, no money sat in a pot, this is it for me. For nearly three-quarters of my working life, all I have known is Feather Cycles. I work way too much. It affects me both physically and mentally, it affects family life, even on holidays I don’t relax. It’s the first thing I think about in a morning and the last thing I think about at night.

“For the third time this year, I have been completely stuffed by a customer. I started this frame without the fab fee being paid, I gave it the benefit of the doubt as it was for someone I know and thought he was good for it.

“I want to use this as an opportunity to point out how important it is for independent businesses to be paid when invoices are raised. I don’t care if it’s me or the local seamstress, I’m speaking for all of us. I’m talking for everyone who builds bikes, it’s an incredibly hard business to sustain no matter how talented or resilient you are.”

> No discounts! Bike shops boycott Black Friday as majority of independent bike shops 'believe event negatively impacts their businesses'

Feather Cycles is now selling the frame at a massive discount, if anyone would like to purchase it and have the remaining work on it be finished by early spring. Ricky wrote: “It would normally retail for £4260 plus paint. £2500 plus paint and it’s yours.

He added: “It has tons of extras, including integrated headset, carbon ISP, T47,integrated flat mount bosses, hooded dropouts and custom stealth Di2 routed rear dropout. I can make an ISP topper tailored to your position on the bike, 0-25mm setback. It is designed around the new Columbus integrated cockpit (not included in the price).”

Several cyclists commented on Ricky’s post, offering him consolation. One person wrote: “There are some real tossers around but thought the cycling fraternity were ok. How wrong I am. Hope it works out on this frame for you. It’s s*** that you have to go through this. Your work is just the best and worth every penny,” while another added: “It's s*** you can't trust anybody to do the right thing.”

Here’s the dimensions for the frame if anyone’s interested in a little Christmas N+1 gift for themselves (or someone beloved). According to Ricky, the frame should be good for 5’8” - 5’10”-ish…

Feather Cycles frame dimensions (@feathercycles on Instagram)
29 November 2024, 16:36
No Go to Jail card from us on this one… Bringing back Heidi Alexander’s Monopoly bike ride

Shhh… Don’t let any of the national newspapers find out that the newly appointed Transport Secretary came under fire from social media users in 2020, when she along with her husband, completed a fun bike ride around the streets that feature on the Monopoly board.

>  London deputy mayor under fire for Monopoly bike ride... at 2.5mph?

Heidi Alexander's Monopoly bike ride (@Heidi_Labour on Twitter)

The then Deputy Mayor of London under Sadiq Khan tweeted pictures from her ride, holding up Monopoly title deed cards from some of the locations she visited, such as Euston Road and Pentonville Road.

However, a good ol’ Twitter kerfuffle was in the waiting, with people accusing Alexander of breaking the lockdown Tier 4 rules… despite there being no  limits on time spent exercising such as riding a bike, and Park Lane, the furthest point west on the board, is within easy reach by bike of her home.

Along with that, another person estimated that five miles on the bike was “excessive” and would take over two hours on the bike, indicating that cyclists travel around the city at the scary speeds of 2.5mph. At least she wasn’t accused by The Telegraph of riding over 50mph…

29 November 2024, 15:35
“It’s about freedom, opportunity, and connection”: South Yorkshire’s Cycling and Walking Commissioner Ed Clancy launches Barnsley Refugee Bike Project to refurbish and donate used bikes to those that need it the most

The Barnsley Refugee Council’s new Bike Project workshop has been officially opened by South Yorkshire’s Active Travel Commissioner and triple Olympic gold medallist, Ed Clancy OBE. The inauguration ceremony celebrated the contributions of volunteer mechanics and residents with refugee backgrounds who are building their lives and supporting the community in Barnsley.

The Barnsley Refugee Bike Project awarded a grant of approximately £20,000 from the National Lottery, transforms pre-loved bicycles into vital tools for affordable transport. By refurbishing and donating over 450 bikes so far, the project provides people with a means to commute to school, college, work, or enjoy the freedom of cycling. In its upgraded workshop, participants are also gaining hands-on experience in bike maintenance and repair, equipping them with valuable skills for the future.

South Yorkshire’s Active Travel Commissioner, Ed Clancy OBE, said: “The Barnsley Refugee Bike Project’s brilliant work is helping hundreds of people to build new lives.

“The scheme’s bikes and training are making a huge difference to those that need it the most, giving people the freedom and choice to travel and opening up more opportunities to connect with support and the community.

“I'm honoured to help celebrate the new workshop with the project’s amazing volunteers. It’s another great step forward in helping even more people have the means to move about, and towards a healthier, happier, more equal South Yorkshire.”

Last year, Ed Clancy and Alex Simon presented the 100th refurbished bike to 10-year-old Amina, while others, like 30-year-old Tamru and siblings Ibrahim and Kaddi, also received bikes. Tamru, who fled Eritrea, now rides his bike to Barnsley College, where he is pursuing his studies—a testament to how the project helps residents access opportunities while easing financial pressures.

Founded by the Penistone Refugee and Asylum Seekers Support Group in collaboration with local volunteers, the project began in a small bike shed and has now found its first permanent home. The initiative is not only reducing landfill waste but also helping people rebuild their lives in Barnsley by connecting them with education, work, and leisure opportunities.

Barnsley Refugee Bike Project, launched by South Yorkshire’s Cycling and Walking Commissioner Ed Clancy

Barnsley Refugee Bike Project, launched by South Yorkshire’s Cycling and Walking Commissioner and triple Olympic gold medallist, Ed Clancy

Anna Hartley, Director of Public Health at Barnsley Council, added: “This project is a shining example of how community initiatives can support health and wellbeing, providing opportunities for active travel while fostering inclusion and environmental sustainability. Seeing people learning new skills and gaining independence through cycling is fantastic

“It’s about freedom, opportunity, and connection. This project combines all that while giving old bikes new life, reducing waste, and building a stronger, more inclusive community here in Barnsley.”

Barnsley Refugee Bike Project Founder, Alex Simon, said: “It started when somebody asked for a bike, and I had a spare bike, and it snowballed from there. Other donations quickly followed. Now here we are in this fantastic workshop, with support from the National Lottery Community Fund, with a great team of people that’s growing all the time, including our friends from the asylum seeker and refugee community who are learning new skills and helping to refurbish the bikes. 

“The generosity and kindness of people and organisations in Barnsley has been amazing, enabling us to recycle over 450 bikes and organise regular bike rides to the beautiful places around Barnsley. To have our supporters and friends here today is very special and I want to thank everyone who has helped us.”

Enver Solomon, CEO of the Refugee Council, added: “What we’re hearing today is a remarkable story about those that are welcomed and those that do the welcoming. It tells a story about how we can reach across divides to support each other because we see our collective humanity and our common spirit. The welcoming that is taking place through this project and the ripples it has, is remarkable.

“It’s in community work like this that we cross divisions, that people create shared understanding and that we create a United Kingdom which is about inclusion, which is about a shared humanity and which is about supporting everyone, regardless of their background, to fulfil their potential.”

29 November 2024, 14:59
The cursed cycle lane saga might be heading towards its conclusion...
Linthorpe Road, Middlesbrough (Kevin Marks, Twitter)

“The people and businesses of Middlesbrough deserve better than these drawn-out delays,” Tees Valley mayor Ben Houchen said ahead of next week’s vote to remove the controversial Linthorpe Road bike lane.

> Is this the end for Britain’s most controversial bike lane? Mayor calls on council to scrap “hated” cycle lane and end “ridiculous saga once and for all” – costing local authority £3 million

29 November 2024, 13:51
Cycling UK welcomes the appointment of Heidi Alexander as the new Transport Secretary and urges her to put cycling “front and centre” of the new Integrated Transport Strategy

Following Louise Haigh’s resignation as Secretary of State for Transport and the appointment of Heidi Alexander to the role, Sarah McMonagle, director of external affairs at Cycling UK, said: “We’d like to thank Louise Haigh for her outstanding work in championing active travel during her time as Secretary of State for Transport, and prior to that, as Shadow Secretary. Louise clearly understands the role that cycling can play in achieving the government’s missions, particularly its role in improving public health and tackling the cost-of-living crisis. 

“We warmly welcome Heidi Alexander to her new role. She brings a wealth of experience as the former deputy mayor for transport in London and is a cyclist herself. We urge the new Secretary of State to ensure we maximise the enormous range of benefits that come when more people cycle by putting cycling front and centre of the new Integrated Transport Strategy. Heidi has actively engaged with Cycling UK for many years, and we look forward to building on that relationship as she takes forward her new brief.”

29 November 2024, 13:27
Heidi Alexander on her bike (@Heidi_Labour on Twitter)
Heidi Alexander becomes the new Transport Secretary, and yes, she is a champion for cycling!

After Louise Haigh’s resignation from Starmer’s Cabinet, Heidi Alexander, MP for Swindon South has been appointed as the new Secretary of State for Transport. And there’s some good news, she is already a cyclist who has been advocating for two wheels for quite some time now!

Alexander served as a Member of Lewisham London Borough Council for Evelyn from a by-election in 2004 until 2010. In May 2018, Alexander resigned her seat in the Parliament to become Deputy Mayor of London for Transport under Sadiq Khan. She served as Deputy Chair of Transport for London in her role, and during the Covid-19 pandemic, she took up cycling and worked to promote active travel as a viable mode of transport.

London Cycling Campaign wrote: “Sorry to see Louise Haigh resign as Transport minister, she's been really good on vision for integrated transport & building blocks of future. Congrats tho also to Heidi Alexander! Great choice to replace her.”

Here’s her enjoying some safe, segregated cycling infrastructure in London in 2020.

Heidi Alexander tweet about cycling (@Heidi_Labour on Twitter)

She even posted in length about her experience as a “45 year old, overweight woman cyclist” in May 2020, writing: “As some of us start to think again about how we might in future make the trips we used to do on the bus, tube and train, please, please, please think about making them on a bike.

“I am no Victoria Pendleton but it’s amazing how far you can go, how quickly and actually how much better it makes you feel. And you save money on your bus and train fares.

“I live in Zone 3 of London — between Lewisham and Hither Green. It takes me about 40 minutes to cycle into work in central London through parks and on quiet roads. I feel safe and it means I switch off from emails and my phone.

“At the weekend, I cycle into Lewisham (and further afield!) when I go to the shops and I stick things in my bike basket (amazing how much you can get in there). Sometimes I go out for longer rides — down the Thames Path, out into the leafy bits of Bromley.”

Heidi Alexander cycling with Will Norman (@Heidi_Labour on Twitter)

"On yer bike!" — Heidi Alexander riding with Will Norman, London's Cycling and Walking Commissioner (@Heidi_Labour on Twitter)

She continued: “I know lots of people think cycling is not for them. That you have to look good in Lycra (believe me, I don’t) or you have to be capable of doing the Tour de France (believe me, I’m not).

“But, please, give it a go. Those of us who are able, need to do it to ensure there is space for those who can’t on public transport. And stick with it, you’ll feel fitter and stronger within a few weeks.

“Life is going to be pretty different for a while. We are going to need to change how we move around the city. I’d love this horrible period to lead to hundreds of thousands of women (and men!) in London taking to their bikes — being healthier and happier as a consequence.”

29 November 2024, 11:42
Labour shadow secretary for transport Louise Haigh riding a bike
“It’s a shame that she is resigning over something so trivial”: Reactions to Louise Haigh’s resignation as Transport Secretary

If like Grant Shapps, you also didn’t receive a BBC news alert about Louise Haigh resigning from the post of Transport Secretary for some reason… well, you know it now.

Haigh, the Sheffield MP who after becoming a cycling convert earlier this year hinted at long-term funding for cycling and walking this month, has announced her resignation this morning after a spent conviction over a misplaced phone was brought up following reports from Sky and The Times yesterday.

She wrote in her letter to the Prime Minister: “As you know, in 2013 I was mugged in London. As a 24-year-old woman, the experience was terrifying. In the immediate aftermath, I reported the incident to the police. I gave the police a list of my possessions that I believed had been stolen, including my work phone. Some time later, I discovered that the handset in question was still in my house. I should have immediately informed my employer and not doing so straight away was a mistake.”

When questioned by the police in the aftermath, she said that she was advised by her solicitor not to comment during that interview and that she regrets following that advice. She later pleaded guilty to making a false report to police at a magistrates’ court, six months before becoming an MP in the 2015 election, and received a discharge - the “lowest possible outcome”.

Louise Haigh, Labour shadow transport secretary (credit - Cycling UK)

> Is Labour’s shadow transport secretary cycling’s latest convert? Louise Haigh says e-bikes “make all the difference”, months after backlash over controversial cycling comments

Haigh, the youngest-ever woman to be appointed to the Cabinet, mentioned that the Bill  bringing the railways back into public ownership received Royal Assent and became an Act of Parliament yesterday, calling it a “once in a generation reform to our railways which will change our country for the better”.

Cycling UK commented on the news, saying: “Thank you Louise Haigh, for your support for all things active travel. Your commitment has been deeply appreciated. Wishing you all the best in the next chapter after stepping down - your impact will not be forgotten.”

Some reactions to this development from social media…

Owen Jones (journalist): “Louise Haigh was one of the only Labour ministers doing something worthwhile.

“Who knows why her spent conviction suddenly re emerged, but needless to say Starmer allies will be delighted she’s gone.

“Haigh already faced being purged for rightly slamming P&O Ferries.”

Karl Hansen (journalist): “Louise Haigh has accomplished more in her brief than any other government minister, bringing rail and bus services back into public ownership. It's a shame that she is resigning over something so trivial.”

Sangita Myska (journalist): “The way Louise Haigh MP is being treated by parts of the established media and political classes over a minor spent conviction is like watching a modern day witch trial.”

Peter Smith: “Good grief. Louise Haigh has resigned. Admirable in many ways but unnecessary and a waste of a huge political talent.”

David Osland (columnist): “Johnson and Sunak stayed in office as prime minister and chancellor despite convictions over Partygate. That puts Louise Haigh’s ouster from the cabinet for a minor offence before she became an MP in perspective… I wish I were more confident that Louise Haigh's sudden departure from the cabinet had nothing to do with her entirely legitimate criticism of P&O Ferries.”

> Transport Secretary wants end to "perverse half cycle lanes" and hints at long-term funding for cycling and walking

The above statement is in reference to Haigh’s recent criticism directed at P&O Ferries, calling them “rogue operator” last month and urging people to boycott the shipping operation. However, when its parent company DP World threatened to pull out from a major government investment summit in response, Starmer pulled support for her, saying Haigh’s comments were “not the view of the government”.

People have also noted Haigh’s former role as Vice Chair of Labour Friends of Palestine and her criticism of the Israeli regime in the past.

29 November 2024, 11:23
“There are a lot of people smoking cigarettes every day”: Jonas Vingegaard says carbon monoxide method is like “smoking one cigarette” and claims he “never knew” it could be misused
Jonas Vingegaard at 2023 Tour de France, stage 20 (Zac Williams/SWPix.com)

Jonas Vingegaard during stage 20 of the 2024 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWPix.com)

Dr Ferrari and the orange juice, part two?

> “There are a lot of people smoking cigarettes every day”: Jonas Vingegaard says carbon monoxide method is like “smoking one cigarette” and claims he “never knew” it could be misused

29 November 2024, 10:43
“Looks like someone needs a new bike rack”: Remco Evenepoel gets himself a BMW M5

Pro cyclists and their love for cars… Never fails to baffle me. Anyway, after Mathieu van der Poel becoming an ambassador for Lamborghini and even saying that getting the €300,000 SUV Urus S felt “more special than testing a new bike” (tsk tsk, Canyon), it’s Remco Evenepoel’s turn to make use of that Quick-Step Olympic bonus and get himself a BMW M5.

> From cobbles to asphalt? Van der Poel becomes Lamborghini ambassador (and gets one himself)

One person commented: “Shouldn’t it be in gold?”, while Seasucker, a US-based company that sells vacuum-mounted automotive racks, wrote: “Looks like someone needs a new bike rack.”

Anyway, repeat after me, sportspersons shouldn’t be your idols… In other news, Evenepoel was also spotted in attendance at his boyhood club Anderlecht’s Europa League match against Porto last night, along with Eddy Merckx as well as Anderlecht and Belgian legend Paul Van Himst.

Adwitiya joined road.cc in 2023 as a news writer after completing his masters in journalism from Cardiff University. His dissertation focused on active travel, which soon threw him into the deep end of covering everything related to the two-wheeled tool, and now cycling is as big a part of his life as guitars and football. He has previously covered local and national politics for Voice Cymru, and also likes to write about science, tech and the environment, if he can find the time. Living right next to the Taff trail in the Welsh capital, you can find him trying to tackle the brutal climbs in the valleys.

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Miller replied to EK Spinner | 1 month ago
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Feels like she's been properly done over. 

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Rendel Harris replied to EK Spinner | 1 month ago
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EK Spinner wrote:

This minor infraction...

As a Labour supporter, or at least a socialist (not necessarily the same thing these days of course), it gives me no pleasure to see a member of the cabinet getting into trouble, but I'm not sure committing fraud by false representation is really a minor infraction and the circumstances as reported do look extremely dodgy, including not reporting having "found" the allegedly stolen phone to her employers, refusing to answer any questions at police interview and pleading guilty in court. If her story is true why didn't she just tell the police about it at interview and clear it all up then and there? There's also the question of the fact that her employers apparently/allegedly were investigating her for several other instances where she claimed her phone had been lost/stolen and asked for a replacement (something her representatives have not denied when asked to do so). It doesn't add up to a very pretty picture and the fact that Starmer was prepared to accept her as a minister originally but is now happy to accept her resignation implies there may be more to the case (which already looks pretty dubious, frankly) than is currently known.

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Legin replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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I understand your point; however the punsihment for the offence proves it was a minor infraction, the lowest possible punishment does not inidcate there is more to this than that declared. However because the previous administration was so corrupted by self interest and resignations that were justified, by convention, did not happen, if the new Government is to reset standards, she had to go, even though the "controversy" is media manufactured.

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Rendel Harris replied to Legin | 1 month ago
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Legin wrote:

I understand your point; however the punsihment for the offence proves it was a minor infraction, the lowest possible punishment does not inidcate there is more to this than that declared. 

I don't think anyone who has even a passing acquaintance with the sentences handed down to drivers as reported in these pages can have any doubt that it is possible for there to be significant discrepancies between the seriousness of an offence and the sentence handed out by a magistrate. Look at it in another way, if she was convicted of injuring somebody when drink-driving but given the lowest possible sentence for that offence, would we say that proves it was a minor infraction? It's the offence itself that is the important question rather than the punishment received.

If she is guilty of the offence, and she pleaded guilty, then she is guilty of lying to the police and her employers about an event in order to obtain a gain for herself (for fraud to exist in law there has to be an attempted gain to the fraudster or a loss for another party), and that's quite serious. I'm afraid I have to revert to the fact that she refused to answer questions about the matter from the police and pleaded guilty in court, why would you do that if you've done nothing wrong?

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Hirsute replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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Bluesjy comment:

"The biggest shock of the Haigh resignation is discovering that once upon a time the police actually investigated a stolen phone."

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Rendel Harris replied to Hirsute | 1 month ago
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Hirsute wrote:

Bluesjy comment:

"The biggest shock of the Haigh resignation is discovering that once upon a time the police actually investigated a stolen phone."

Ah, but we're talking about a phone that was the property of a £12 billion company, not just one of we oiks on the Clapham omnibus...

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Hirsute replied to Rendel Harris | 1 month ago
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I did read her solicitor advised he not to answer.

"My solicitor advised me not to comment during that interview and I regret following that advice,"

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 1 month ago
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Hirsute wrote:

I did read her solicitor advised he not to answer.

"My solicitor advised me not to comment during that interview and I regret following that advice,"

The problem is that we're just hearing her side of that discussion (it certainly wouldn't be appropriate for her solicitor to comment on it) and there was likely very good reasons for her to not comment during an interview. I'd guess that her comments could then be proved false in a court of law and lead to a worse outcome than simply pleading guilty.

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Dodonline replied to hawkinspeter | 1 month ago
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Agreed, if I had been her solicitor I also would have advised her to keep her trap shut.  As somebody who clearly can't get her story straight, she would only have dug herself deeper. 

She even misled us in her resignation letter.  She didn't receive the lowest possible punishment, she received a conditional discharge, rather than an unconditional one, which the magistrates could have given her. 

Whilst she only pled guilty to one case of fraud, according to The Times, there were potentially three occassions.

It's also no small thing for a company like Aviva to report an employee to the police as well as firing them. And judging from The Times's sources, it wasn't just bosses who were upset by her behaviour but colleagues too. Also, as above, it is unusual for the police to investigate such a crime unless there were aggravating circumstances. I doubt we have heard the whole story yet. 

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Rendel Harris replied to Hirsute | 1 month ago
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Hirsute wrote:

I did read her solicitor advised he not to answer.

Indeed, and she also uses that excuse to explain her guilty plea, but she is an intelligent adult woman, she surely would've been capable of making up her own mind as to how to react to the police request for interview and indeed how to plead in court. I'm sure most of us, if accused of a crime of which we were innocent, would be happy to explain our innocence to the police and certainly wouldn't plead guilty to a criminal offence and accept having that on our record when we had done nothing wrong. Solicitors don't like losing cases either and wouldn't advise a client not to talk to the police or to plead guilty unless they thought the consequences could be even more serious for them if the whole story were to be placed before the police/courts. 

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brooksby replied to EK Spinner | 1 month ago
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The Sun has an article today: "Keir knowingly let convicted criminal into heart of government while preaching about ethics - he has questions to answer" 

Pretty sure they weren't so concerned about 'ethics' under the last how many Tory prime ministers…

 

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stonojnr replied to brooksby | 1 month ago
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"Lawmakers can't be lawbreakers", can't remember who said that once.

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eburtthebike replied to stonojnr | 1 month ago
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stonojnr wrote:

"Lawmakers can't be lawbreakers", can't remember who said that once.

Boris the liar.

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Dodonline replied to brooksby | 1 month ago
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brooksby wrote:

Pretty sure they weren't so concerned about 'ethics' under the last how many Tory prime ministers…

As yes, more Labour whataboutery. Do two wrongs now make a right? 

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brooksby replied to Dodonline | 1 month ago
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Dodonline wrote:

brooksby wrote:

Pretty sure they weren't so concerned about 'ethics' under the last how many Tory prime ministers…

As yes, more Labour whataboutery. Do two wrongs now make a right? 

I'm sure that incorrectly declaring a mobile phone as stolen ten years ago (whether deliberately or not) is "just the same thing" as breaking Covid regulations, taking payments for asking questions in Parliament, watching tractor porn in the house, setting up offshore companies to profit from Covid PPE requirements &c &c &c, isn't it? /sarcasm

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chrisonabike replied to brooksby | 1 month ago
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You forgot stuff like formally declaring in parliament you're going to break the law - but only in a specific and limited way?

I think it's definitely "politic" that she's gone.  It's perhaps not "good politics" (one could argue the offense was time back and nothing to do with her day job).  Although at a senior level it's all about "how it looks" (senior politicians with criminal convictions for theft / fraud as adults - not good).

This may seem unfair after the last lot.  However I think it will improve the image of politicians if the standard they're held to is this high and we're not treated to weeks of "will they jump or do they have to be pushed"?

Unfortunately some of those who rise to high office get to behave appallingly, be corrupt and have an extremly flexible moral compass without the law troubling them, and seem to be shameless when confronted about it...

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Legin replied to dubwise | 1 month ago
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dubwise wrote:

So, the transport secretary, Louise Haigh, has resigned. Not because of policy differences but lying to police over a stolen work mobile in 2013. Fkn politicians, all the same...

Very different actually; reading the detail, this is a minor offence, previously declared, but the Minister has resigned. Compare and contrast this to the number of times Ministers breached the ministerial code without resigning, and the number of MPs accused of in inappropriate behaviour, that still retained the support of the various Prime Ministers over the last 10 years and you will be forced to agree that this is a step to restore standards and integrity.

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Dodonline replied to Legin | 1 month ago
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Legin wrote:

dubwise wrote:

So, the transport secretary, Louise Haigh, has resigned. Not because of policy differences but lying to police over a stolen work mobile in 2013. Fkn politicians, all the same...

Very different actually; reading the detail, this is a minor offence, previously declared, but the Minister has resigned. Compare and contrast this to the number of times Ministers breached the ministerial code without resigning, and the number of MPs accused of in inappropriate behaviour, that still retained the support of the various Prime Ministers over the last 10 years and you will be forced to agree that this is a step to restore standards and integrity.

Hilarious. Are you so blinded by party loyalty that you'll defend anything?

Even Starmer's given up on that line today, with the new message from his spin doctors being that she misled him too. 

 

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dubwise replied to Legin | 1 month ago
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Legin wrote:

dubwise wrote:

So, the transport secretary, Louise Haigh, has resigned. Not because of policy differences but lying to police over a stolen work mobile in 2013. Fkn politicians, all the same...

Very different actually; reading the detail, this is a minor offence, previously declared, but the Minister has resigned. Compare and contrast this to the number of times Ministers breached the ministerial code without resigning, and the number of MPs accused of in inappropriate behaviour, that still retained the support of the various Prime Ministers over the last 10 years and you will be forced to agree that this is a step to restore standards and integrity.

Sorry but that's a load of bull.

Quite frankly, you should not be able to stand as an MP if you have a criminal record.  And I'm not saying it because it is her, any of them should not be allowed to stand.

As we see, it can and will be used years later.

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Hirsute replied to dubwise | 1 month ago
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No chance of being rehabillitated ? Are you really going to hold that over someone for the rest of their life?

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the little onion replied to dubwise | 1 month ago
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Crap - she was shaping up to be the least-bad transport secretary for quite some time!

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stonojnr replied to the little onion | 1 month ago
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She talked alot about stuff, but not much in the way of action after nearly 6months was there?

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Pub bike replied to stonojnr | 1 month ago
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So the bill to bring the railways back into public ownership is nothing to do with her then?

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stonojnr replied to Pub bike | 1 month ago
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Technically no, it was drawn up by civil servants in the department, unless you think she typed it all out herself ?

Though obviously I was referring to her cycling ambitions,what with it being a cycling related site.

But feel free to join us over on the rail forums to discuss railway matters.

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chrisonabike replied to stonojnr | 1 month ago
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stonojnr wrote:

She talked alot about stuff, but not much in the way of action after nearly 6months was there?

Genuine question - what is the baseline?  As in - what do transport secretaries get done on average in - say - 6 months?  (Noting that the bigger the project / idea, the longer it takes for there to be anything to show for it).  Obviously there is even less data for when it's a new government (plus a completely different party).

I've no big flag to wave for her - never heard of her before, but her early interest in active travel was unusually hopeful.

I hope someone will help with my ignorance but is it a case of it's easy to legislate after the fact for stuff that is already happening, but much much harder to initiate changes - and the bigger the changes the more you have to sell it to the boss (pm and party)?

Anyway FWIW we have previously had:

2 years of Mark Harper (fighting the train unions, "proudly pro-car" more money for HS2 and some infra).

1 month of Anne-Marie Trevelyan

Just over 2 years of Grant "Four names" Shapps (who did announce some extra monies for active travel - perhaps more than before, but still small beer.  IIRC some of this was then clawed back.  I think Gear Change and active travel England came in under his watch - not nothing)

Slightly longer with Chris Grayling - cancelling railway funding and being selective with the facts about that.  Bunging money to a ferry company and then this deal collapsing (and incurring further costs in compensation).  Famously dooring a cyclist (clearly not the first or only politician to do this, but it didn't look good).

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Tom_77 replied to dubwise | 1 month ago
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dubwise wrote:

So, the transport secretary, Louise Haigh, has resigned. Not because of policy differences but lying to police over a stolen work mobile in 2013. Fkn politicians, all the same...

Slagging off P&O probably didn't help. Seems like a lot of fuss over what was probably a genuine mistake that happened over 10 years ago.

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Surreyrider replied to Tom_77 | 1 month ago
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Err. Really?

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The_Ewan replied to Surreyrider | 1 month ago
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Yes really. She got mugged, gave the plod a list of what she thought had been taken, turned out to be mistaken about one thing when she later found it.

I can imagine doing that, and I can imagine not thinking it was worth updating the police afterwards given that I would be expecting them to have done precisely sod-all about it anyway.

As big deals go, it's not one.

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open_roads replied to The_Ewan | 1 month ago
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It is a big deal when the other media reported facts* are taken into account:

1. she had already worked as a special constable before the offence was committed so presumably had a good understanding of some aspects of basic law. 

2. She was working for an insurer / regulated industry at the time of the offence so would have completed lots of mandatory training on fraud / ethics as part of her onboarding.

3. Her employer was already investigating the "loss" of *several* phones **before** the incident that led to the conviction

4. she didn't "find" the phone and report it to her employer. The phone was being used (presumably with a new SIM card) and its use was detected by the tracking of the IMEI number by her employer's mobile network supplier

5. When the employer was advised that the "stolen" handset was again in use they advised the police who then accessed the geo-locator to find which cell site it was connected to. And from there they identified her location.

6. She chose to change her plea to one of guilty of her own volition.

So she was already under investigation before the "robbery" and "found" phone. 

Starmer made great virtue of "lawmakers can't be lawbreakers" and she spent several years before being a minister telling us all sorts of people should resign because they weren't trustworthy. So she's done the right thing by resigning but is not fit to be an MP / lawmaker in the first place.

The bigger point is that we had a transport secretary with a pathetic level of experience for someone presiding over £billions of our taxes being spent. 

* caveat - the media may have misreported.

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mdavidford replied to open_roads | 1 month ago
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open_roads wrote:

1. she had already worked as a special constable before the offence was committed so presumably had a good understanding of some aspects of basic law. 

Not particularly sure that follows.

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