21-year-old woman dies after being crushed by tipper truck in London

From what I understand most tipper trucks are paid 'per load' which can only encourage poor driving with drivers rushing to get as many jobs in the day as possible.

One simple step is to ban 'pay per load' tippers. Boris?

If these are publically funded projects, the politician have the right to bring to bear existing health and safety legislation on contracts - it worked for the construction industry to reduce workplace deaths and injuries, make road hauliers responsible and put contract measures and penalties - impact on profits and share prices gets business leaders to take notice, anything else is pi$$ing in the wind.

Dullard, you might want to go back to the highway code. Yes there are half wit cyclists out there (who need to be fined into compliance) but drivers of vehicles are supposed to anticipate risks and not just hammer along. You're right, we don't know all the facts but we rarely seem to investigate road deaths thoroughly so that we can help prevent repetition. It is so rare to see London HGV' s driven with a margin of error that you can't help but think something is fundamentally wrong. And by the way, when I see people cycle like half wits, it is rarely women.

jova54 makes the important point that none of you harpies shrieking 'killer' at the driver know fuck all about the circumstances. That's a busy junction, even on a Sunday morning. It's two lanes. You've got to take care. And just read the ES piece: according to one eyewitness, the driver was going round the roundabout (right of way) and the cyclist pulled out (not right of way). Sometimes - and I, too, don't know the full circumstances but am going on what is known - the cyclist is at fault. Tragic, sad, but true. But if it does turn out that the lorry driver was at fault, I'm all for calling for him or her to be strung up. Lorry drivers are not though necessarily murderers in spite of what you think. Every day commuting in London (sorry non-Londoners) I am fucked off by the number of unlit, red light-jumping, earphone-wearing, non-signalling, un-anticipating, unaware idiots on bikes who are told by cycling nazis that they have a 'right' to be on the road. Nobody has a right. I've been riding in London for 20 years, and standards of cycling (and driving also) have declined woefully. Cycling in traffic is a skill that needs full attention.

As an addition to AV's particularly well made points, it is worth noting that several of the companies themselves whose drivers are involved in fatal crashes also have form. You could draw conclusions as to how these companies are run and how they vet their drivers.

Oh, and skip hire trucks are also ones to keep your distance from for the same reason. The sad fact is that all of this data has been washing around for 20 years. That's how long ago it was that the high rate of crashes involving skippers and tippers in London was identified.

That no effective measures have been introduced to reduce the fatality rate in this period is shameful.

"The standard of construction HGV driving in the city is poor".

+1 on this. Far too many are driven in the city with zero margin of error and if they had mandatory gps monitoring it would take little time to determine this. Heck, you could even send an app to most of the drivers and insist they use it as from observation, most of them have got smartphones they openly fiddle with

Two points to note.

Most of the roads used heavily used by HGVs are wide enough to have segregated cycle lanes. At the moment thet are just 1.5-2 lanes wide. The City and TFL just need to make the changes (the roads are being dug and changes regually so cost is not so much of an issue.

The standard of construction HGV driving in the city is poor. I work in the city and often see tipper trucks cutting the corner onto the pavement at speed when turning. This is during lunchtime when their are lots of people out.

What exactly is a tipper truck?

So incredibly sad that the pattern of young women dieing under the wheels of HGV's is not immediately obvious and all that is done is to introduce some half baked measures that will cost you £200 if you can't be bothered to implement them, such is the value of life on London's streets. It is just disgusting in a civilised nation that this is the best we can do.
My blood was brought to the boil by this "leading" thought piece in the torygraph which appears to have been written by the niceway code lot pandering to Surrey's nimbys who seem wholly oblivious to fact that roads are not just for range rovers and audis.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/cycling/10327196/Riding-rou...

The time for some serious sanctions for bad driving is way overdue and it needs to be as easy to lose your licence as it is to get one.
rant over

It'll be interesting to see the sentence meted out on the driver who ran over the policeman the other day. The unlit policeman standing in the road at night.

Fucking shameful. How many more?

Thanks Road for reporting every one - they all need reporting to show the scale of the problem, and it shows respect for a victim who enjoyed riding their bike as we all do. Although - why is it (usually) a woman? It's beyond a statistical anomaly now. Surely someone could study this properly and find a reason?

You won't stop the need to operate 32T rigid 4 axle trucks - the most damaging vehicles running on the city's roads (according to DfT) and also less efficient than the 44 T articulated ones in payload and pollution factors.

But with major construction sites in Central London going like a fair at present, and no sign of a let-up (more to come if current proposals come on stream) we have to call for TfL to deliver Freight traffic management to the same levels as it works to deliver passenger traffic management.

To do this we have to call on the FTA to have a wider view on the issue than their defensive and very poorly judged statement that focussed on their road haulage interests and highlight the fact that around 10,000 Tons per day currently moves through Central London without creating any danger to other road users - on the river, and similar if not larger quantities move around the capital by rail.

More of this traffic could go on water or rail, if not totally, then by dutting the 60+ mile round trips between a Central London site and the supply or tipping facilities out in the Home Counties. The Ton-Miles and thus the level of risk for fatal crashes, would be dramatically reduced if the tipper trucks were simply shuttling a few miles to a rail-head or canal or riverside wharf.

Tony has pictures of 1500-2500 Tons (75-125 x 32T tippers) moving along the Embankment through London to show how it can be done.

But there are a few other details which will help to focus our efforts to nail this issue.

First how many people can name the company who operated any of the trucks involved in fatal crashes? We focus on the driver and often miss detail about the company who employed the driver and the company who operate the truck, and for the construction industry that is frequently NOT the same company. In one example from over a decade ago the same truck killed 2 female cyclists and put a third in a wheelchair TWICE I believe with the same driver.

Second what site were the vehicles working for? have you ever seen this noted in any news report - or even in the court reporting. My hunch is that a surge in incidents in Bermondsey for example may have had strong links to the period of intensive activity at key sites such as the Shard and London Bridge. Identifying issues which can arise when for example you have 30 trucks running around the clock for nearly 3 days with 3 shifts of drivers, as happened for the main concrete pouring operations for The Shard, and you have greatly increased the levels of risk from the hazard of big trucks moving around in small streets. If nothing else you need to prove that measures taken to make such an operation as safe as possible are working.

Third, when you trawl through the detail it becomes apparent that in many cases the driver involved has previous 'form' and in the case of Denis Putz this should have been picked up well before he was able to kill Catriona Patel. We do have a regulator for vocational driving licences, but staggeringly they do not get a direct feed of any driving offences committed by vocational licence holders. The Traffic Commissioner can call a driver in for interview and revoke an LGV or PCV licence if they believe the person is unfit to hold one, but such events are rare. The TC can also revoke an operator's licence if they are not of Good Repute, for example having sub standard vehicles, or failing to properly check the detail of the drivers they employ.

Finally to ask that the road regulator (TC) draws on the way that the Rail Regulator operates and adopts prcatices common for rail and air transport. Any fatal incident gets an impartial report into the causal factors (like rail accident reports) and issues recommendations to prevent recurrence. the practice of suspending a driver from driving duties automatically (and the signaller/ATC operator) after any fatal or serious incident, until a proper inquiry and interview of the driver can take place. Until then the driver is off the road. I could envisage that, given the relatively small number of fatal crashes involving LGV and PCV that the Traffic Area Office could initiate a system whereby the driver's licence is suspended pending a formal interview of both driver and operator by the Traffic Commissioner or their deputy/ies. The suspension reflecting on the seriousness of the issue, and encouraging a prompt review of the vocational driving element.

Until society demands that drivers are sanctioned for there actions this is going to continue.

How often do you hear drivers complain when they got caught speeding or get a parking ticket? There is a failure to understand that drivers are under licence and that failure to abide by the rules means punishment.

It depresses me that so many won't cycle or walk because they are scared of traffic, and by choosing a car make the problem worse!

The Dutch changed their attitude to how their towns and cities were designed after getting sick of kids continually being killed by road traffic.

Hope Fennell's mum blocked traffic where her daughter was killed and this is the kind of demo/protest that is going to get things changed. This needs to be built upon until the noise from people demanding our towns and cities are redesigned for people, not cars and HGVs, is unbearable for those who are in the position to change things.

... but ... but ... Cameron opened a bike shop! He MUST care!

I saw the headline and thought someone should really take that truck off the road:

Fourth cyclist this year to be killed by rubble-moving truck

Tragic story though - wish someone would realise that people lives can't just be thrown away like this...but I'm not hopeful.

it'll change when someone important/famous is killed, until that day the meat grider will stay open for business.

RIP

These stories are tragic as each one is an avoidable tragedy.
No doubt the driver will not suffer any serious reprocussions, other than the physcological trauma knowing that he killed someone.

Totally sick of having to hear about these stories. Not you reporting them but that they happen. We all know the common factors here but people in charge of London's roads doing nothing about it.

ps. typo 2nd para, 2nd line.