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Coach driver tells cyclist with child he "shouldn't be on the path"... right under a shared use path sign

The cyclist was on his way back from a meeting to support local walking and cycling infrastructure before the confrontation, with the coach driver adding that the cyclist "should be on the road"...

A cyclist riding with his child in a child bike seat in Perth, Scotland has posted footage of a confrontation with a coach driver who tells him that he "should be on the road", despite a sign denoting that the path is shared use for cyclists and pedestrians shown just a few metres away from him. 

The cyclist, Scott, said that he was on his way back from a meeting to support better walking and cycling infrastructure, and was ironically close-passed by "2 SUVS" on the same journey that he was shouted at by the coach driver. 

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The coach is stopped and people are shown disembarking, and the cyclist can be heard talking to his child while ringing his bell. The driver can be heard saying "you shouldn't be on the path" and then adds "you should be on the road." 

Scott replies: "Can you look at your sign and see that it's a shared cycle path? The sign is right next to your bus mate.

"...learn how the Highway Code works." 

The clip led to a debate over the suitability of the shared use path and how to cycle around potentially vulnerable pedestrians, with elderly people shown disembarking from the coach. 

Under the video, one person commented: "Not everyone will hear a bell (some people are deaf) Also just cos it’s a shared path doesn’t mean we get to carry on always. Pedestrians still have priority so in the situation in the vid you could argue that you should slow down even more, or even stop." 

Scott added: "I had my feet of the pedals and ready to stop for people coming of the bus and not seeing me. I also even tried to ring my bell in a quiet way. These are the things I think about cycling that drivers just don't understand."

He also told road.cc that he continued on the journey after the confrontation with no further issues, saying that the path provides "a nice ride along the side of the Tay."

Back in 2016, an Edinburgh cyclist was threatened with a fine by police officers for riding on a shared use path. One of them allegedly told the cyclist he had committed a “ticketable offence", and a complaint was made to Police Scotland about the conduct of the officers. 

On cycling on shared use paths and facilities, Rule 63 of the Highway Code states: "When riding in places where sharing with pedestrians, horse riders or horse drawn vehicles is permitted, take care when passing pedestrians and horse riders, especially children, older adults or disabled people. Slow down when necessary and let them know you are there; for example, by ringing your bell (it is recommended that a bell is fitted to your bike), or by calling out politely." 

road.cc has contacted the coach tour provider for comment. 

Jack has been writing about cycling and multisport for over a decade, arriving at road.cc via 220 Triathlon Magazine in 2017. He worked across all areas of the website including tech, news and video, and also contributed to eBikeTips before being named Editor of road.cc in 2021 (much to his surprise). Jack has been hooked on cycling since his student days, and currently has a Trek 1.2 for winter riding, a beloved Bickerton folding bike for getting around town and an extra beloved custom Ridley Helium SLX for fantasising about going fast in his stable. Jack has never won a bike race, but does have a master's degree in print journalism and two Guinness World Records for pogo sticking (it's a long story). 

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IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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Ah, old people, obviously are incapable of independent thought and movement.

How about this old person sharing the lane?

https://youtu.be/5Cjd7YMlF-c?t=64

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Awavey replied to IanMSpencer | 2 years ago
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youve not encountered a Lochs & Glens coach tour before then crying

the driver was totally wrong to challenge in the way they did, however I totally understand where they were coming from in that situation where their responsibility is look after their passengers to the expense of others completely, and alot of those passengers arent really fully focussed on getting out of a coach, let alone getting out of a coach and sharing the same space with a very slow cyclist passing by at the same time

lets face it that shared path isnt the greatest way to share space between people cycling and coach tours dropping lots of people out of coaches is it ?

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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As it has been a shared path for at least 4 years, you would have thought any responsible coach driver would be aware of that and looking along the path for cyclists / warning his passengers. 

However the same road also has cycle lanes painted in the road so having both methods of transport along the same route won't help in arguments like the one that happened. 

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SiUK replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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Awavey wrote:

lets face it that shared path isnt the greatest way to share space between people cycling and coach tours dropping lots of people out of coaches is it ?

There was a tragic death of a cyclist in Leicester a few years back where the cyclist was doored into the parh of a car when a passenger exited a black cab into the road - I recall there was a court case and the taxi driver shared held a level of responsibility for the death as they had a duty of care of passengers exiting the vehicke safely.
Since passengers are offloaded to a shared cycle path, perhaps there should be an obligation on the driver to inform their passengers to be aware although i dint think the bus driver waa in this case.
My view is that the cyclist was cycling carefully and courteously using the bell correctly to inform pedestrians of their presence and not using it to barge them out of the way. I hate using my bell as it feels that sometimes pedestrians will read it as a 'get out of my way' rather than to alert of presence. I tend to prefer freewheeling a good distance (>5m) behind and matching their pace until the path is wide enough for a safe/non-startling pass - my squeaky disc breaks can be a blessing too in providing a subtle alert of my presence and audible signal of a slow reduction in speed with no urgent need to pass.
Hate it when cars drive too close behind so I try and apply the same logic when behind pedestrians and provide space.

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HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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Shouted at for riding on the road, shouted at for riding on the cycle path.

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Grahamd | 2 years ago
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Coach driver dispels the myth that they are professional.

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lesterama | 2 years ago
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Please complain to lochs.com

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wtjs replied to lesterama | 2 years ago
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Please complain to lochs.com

Complete waste of time: we take your comments seriously, etc. etc. but we're not going to tell you what we've done [which is nothing at all] because of GDPR. Anyway, there's nothing to complain about- stupid people are allowed to say stupid things.

There is no point disputing with half-wits. Otherwise, eminently sensible cyclist completely in the right.

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ktache | 2 years ago
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Of course as a professional driver and with the thought of the safety of his passengers foremost in his mind, having first failed to find a spot to park to let them onto a pavement, will have or will be giving them advice to watch out for cyclists as he is helping them down onto a shared route.

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KDee replied to ktache | 2 years ago
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To be fair, someone did decide to paint "coach drop off point" in big yellow letters exactly where those coaches are, so it's a legit place to disgorge a bunch of tourists. Shame the shared use path sign is a bit tiny. At least it's mounted high enough so 9ft tall pedestrians (and penny farthing cyclists) don't bang their heads on it. Safety first and all that. 

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Bentrider | 2 years ago
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"Not everyone will hear a bell"

So would an Airzound be more appropriate?

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AlsoSomniloquism | 2 years ago
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Cyclist is going at a very low speed along there (5mph on time taken to pass coach length) and as shown when stopping at the ignorant drivers remarks, could stop at a dime at the speed. So I don't know why people in the replies are stating he should have slowed down or stopped.

Any slower and control of the bike becomes less stable, especially with a child potentially changing centre of balance. His bell was being used to advise the person in front of his approach, especially as a narrow section AND someone else on the river side taking a picture who might just step back at the time. 

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