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Cyclists divided over video of van driver failing to wait for father and child on busy road; Thibaut Pinot: “The first thing I’ll sell is the turbo trainer”; Police target red light jumping cyclists; Why don’t you use cycle lanes? + more on the live blog

Hopefully it will be a lucky Friday the 13th on the live blog today, as Ryan Mallon’s back for one last roundup of the latest cycling news and views before the weekend

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13 January 2023, 09:23
Van driver and cyclist pass on busy London road (Lauren O'Brien, Twitter)
“When you turn roads into car parks you put other road users at risk”: Cyclists divided over video of van driver failing to wait for father and child on busy road

It seems as if the ‘motorist versus child on bike: who should give way?’ debate is becoming something of a monthly occurrence these days.

The first few weeks of November, for example, were dominated by the viral clip of a driver refusing to stop before narrowly passing an oncoming five-year-old cyclist, which sparked a hotly contested debate that made it all the way to Jeremy Vine’s Channel 5 show and the former Chancellor of the Exchequer (I know, who hasn’t been Chancellor lately?) Sajid Javid.

Viral video debated on Jeremy Vine show (screenshot Twitter video/ @azb2019)

> Viral video of driver refusing to stop for five-year-old cyclist debated on Jeremy Vine's Channel 5 show

And then, a month later, another strikingly similar video popped up on the live blog, this time depicting a taxi driver ploughing straight ahead as a young cyclist passed… and on a school street too.

And now, as we enter January’s sluggish middle section, and just like clockwork, we’ve been treated again to another round of viral video déjà vu.

Posting the following clip of a van driver and cyclist (with a child) narrowly passing each other on a London street made narrow by the two lines of parked cars, safe cycling campaigner Lauren asked: “Should the van have waited here and given the father and child more space? That would have been the safest thing to do.”

The video has, inevitably, divided opinion – though this time even amongst cyclist themselves.

While several commenters were critical of the motorist’s driving…

… Others questioned the cyclist’s actions, or reckoned that the situation was well-negotiated by both:

Some, however, including Lauren herself, noted a separate, and perhaps more pertinent, in-built safety issue responsible for creating stand-offs like the one in the video:

13 January 2023, 17:31
“One of those give and take situations”: Readers react to van driver failing to stop and narrowly passing cyclist

This morning’s clip, featuring a cyclist and a van driver passing each other on a narrow street (which is one-way for motor vehicles and bidirectional for cyclists), has divided opinion in the comments as much as it did on Twitter.

Here’s a selection of some of our readers’ thoughts on the topic du jour:

mitsky: “I face this (without the child), as do most cyclists, on a daily basis. I don't mind if the driver is very slow/cautious but have reported ones who don't slow down or are aggressive/closer than I'm comfortable with.

“The way I look at this clip and most situations is: imagine the centre of the road have broken lines marking the two way lanes. In that case the driver of the vehicle that has to cross the line (due to the parked cars) needs to give way to the vehicle (cyclist) that doesn't.

“This can easily be seen to be the case here. Even without the lines on the road, the van driver is straddling the middle of the road. I appreciate that this case has been declared as one way and two directional for cyclists but the same principle should apply for safety.”

Van driver and cyclist pass on busy London road (Lauren O'Brien, Twitter)

Awavey: “For me the cyclist has passed a better gap (whilst clearly aware of the oncoming van) that they would have been advised to use, then everyone is happy and passes no issue.

“This is one of those give and take situations I feel, and I can assure you I’m one of those riders who will ride at cars in prime and head on at drivers who refuse to yield and drive past gaps they could fit in these situations normally. This one I wouldn’t have.”

HarrogateSpa: “Apply the hierarchy of road users. The driver can do the greatest harm, so has the greatest responsibility to take care, and should cede priority.”

Secret_squirrel: “Video starts too late for full context, but from what we can see the van was already passing parked cars, so the initial decision to proceed or dive in seems to be on the cyclist.  Hard to tell if the two gaps the van might have used were useful at all.

“My general feel is that both could have been more accommodating. Deffo nothing like as clear cut as the earlier viral incidents.”

Jimmy Ray Will: “I think the van is OK here. Both van and cyclist were well established in the road, so it’s hard to say if anyone had priority. Although, the cyclist isn't encroaching on the van's 'side' of the road and is the more vulnerable road user, so you would have to argue they are in the driving seat.

“However, both cyclist and van driver had opportunities to pull in. The cyclist had the first and more significant space to pull in to, but elected not to do so. That to me signals that the cyclist was comfortable with the space available and the van driver was OK to proceed as they did.”

Right, that’s it – I’m away for a quick blast on the turbo trainer (forgive me, Thibaut Pinot). Have a good weekend, everyone!

13 January 2023, 16:58
Set your alarms…
13 January 2023, 16:37
World Mountain Bike Chariot Racing Championships
World Mountain Bike Chariot Racing Championships cancelled due to lack of numbers

Well, that’s my weekend ruined.

The world mountain bike chariot racing championships – which is every bit as mad as it sounds – was set to take place tomorrow in its traditional home of Llanwrtyd Wells, the purported smallest town in Britain.

The annual championships, described by the organisers as “Ben Hur with mountain bikes”, see teams of two cyclists (usually in silly clothing) race around the town’s Manor Adventure Centre – all while dragging along their mate, sitting proudly in a special Roman-style chariot.

And if you don’t believe me, here’s a video of the 2021 event:

Brilliant.

Unfortunately, the organisers have been forced to cancel the championships this year due to a lack of entries and the prohibitive costs of running the event.

“Owing to a lack of people entering the chariot racing this weekend, it has become unviable for us to run the event, so regretfully it will not be taking place as advertised,” the Neuadd Arms Hotel, which helps run the event, posted on its Facebook page.

“This also applies to the toga party in the evening as well.”

Now I’m really annoyed.

The organisers continued: “We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause if people have made arrangements, but we can't afford to run events at a loss in the current economic circumstances.”

Hopefully, the championships will return, in all their mad Roman glory, in 2024. They better – as I promised Dan we’d enter a road.cc team…

13 January 2023, 15:48
Bath’s bicycle mayor says Kidical Mass ride removed from climate festival by council because “it is considered a political event”

Saskia Heijltjes, who was appointed in October 2021 as Bath’s first bicycle mayor, claimed this week that Bath and North East Somerset Council removed a Kidical Mass ride from a climate festival last Autumn because it was deemed a “political” event.

Heijltjes tweeted yesterday that she was asked during a talk at the University of Westminster’s Active Travel Academy if the local authority supported and helped promote Kidical Mass, which sees families ride together to campaign for safe streets.

“The answer is ‘no’,” she wrote. “The ride was deemed ‘political’ and therefore removed from the council's Climate and Biodiversity festival.”

As Heijltjes notes, a Kidical Mass ride was originally slated to form part of the festival in late September and early October, advertised by the council as a “collaborative programme of events that showcase, inspire and connect organisations, residents and communities across Bath and North East Somerset”.

However, it was later removed by the organisers because, Kidical Mass says, “it is considered a political event” and policed under the category of “protests and marches”.

Kidical Mass Bath, on the other hand, say they are “an apolitical, community-led campaign, and will continue to demand the council deliver what they promised for residents.”

13 January 2023, 15:18
Bradley Stoke 'Look out for cyclists' sign (James Taylor)
Meanwhile, in Bradley Stoke…

Banksy has turned his attention to active travel, it seems... (Or should that be SaxoBanksy? I'll get my coat.) 

Bradley Stoke 'Look out for cyclists' sign (James Taylor)

Cyclist James, who captured these images of the new sign (compete with expertly positioned googly eyes), hopes it will help to improve the attitudes of motorists in the South Gloucestershire town, especially after he was on the receiving end of this shockingly close overtake – while dressed as Santa, I may add – on the approach to that very roundabout last month:

13 January 2023, 14:31
Clevedon’s “driving lane for drink drivers” ridiculed, as local Conservatives play anti-cycling bingo with comments about “high speed lycra clad cyclists” posing a danger to children

The ongoing work to improve active travel in the Somerset seaside town of Clevedon has once again made the headlines this week, with the new one-way street for motor vehicles along the promenade – featuring “wobbly lines” designed to reduce speed – ridiculed in the national press for turning the town into “Balamory from hell”.

North Somerset Council’s plans to improve Hill Road and The Beach in Clevedon include the creation of a bidirectional cycle lane, new cycle parking provision, widening the pavement along the seafront, and building parklets outside cafés.

However, the scheme, which is currently close to completion and received majority support following a public consultation, has been the subject of a long, high-profile campaign, led by Tory MP and former cabinet minister Liam Fox, aiming to see it scrapped.

> Ex-cabinet minister Liam Fox protests against planned seafront bike lane funded by government money

The current backlash against the new road layout on the seafront – which has been converted to a one-way street to allow for the installation of the bike lane – has seen its wavy lines labelled a “driving lane for drink drivers”, while others have dubbed it “ridiculous” and a “snake lane”.

North Somerset Council says the wavy lines are “a design feature to reduce the potential abuse of parking at these locations and help make the road feel narrower, which is a technique used to slow traffic speeds.”

“A wavy line provides uncertainty to the driver and is proven to help reduce unwanted parking,” a council spokesperson said.

Nevertheless, the storm in an antiquated tea cup has allowed the opponents of the scheme to renew their campaign with a fresh wave of petitions claiming the unusual layout will make the seafront more dangerous and harm businesses.

> Controversial cycle lane roadworks blamed for “killing Christmas trade”

“A vast amount of public money is being spent to solve a problem which does not actually exist,” says local MP Fox about a road on which a cyclist sustained critical injuries in a collision involving a driver in September 2020.

“We do not have major road safety issues on Clevedon seafront at present, despite it being a Victorian amenity. We will, however, have safety issues in the future as a result of the incompetent plans of the current North Somerset Council.

“The project is not popular, not safe, not affordable, not properly consulted upon and not necessary. It damages historic amenity, will disadvantage visitors, especially the elderly, will disrupt local trade and impede access to local residents.”

While safety, access, and local trade are all at the top of Mr Fox’s priorities, somebody needs to tell his party, who used the controversial wavy lines to indulge in a spot of anti-cycling bingo concerning the apparent danger posed to children by “high speed lycra clad cyclists”:

13 January 2023, 13:22
Britain’s most flooded cycleways, round two

Yesterday saw the start of the most anticipated competition of the year (and no, I don’t mean the road.cc Recommends awards) – the Official Live Blog Flooded Cycleway Cup!

On Thursday’s blog, Dunham Massey in Trafford, Greater Manchester, made a strong start, roaring ahead with no fewer than three underwater sections.

> “This doesn’t work as an active travel route whilst underwater”: Is this Britain’s most flooded cycleway?

But it faces stiff competition from Bristol’s infamous ‘Lawrence Hill Lido’ (put forward by road.cc reader hawkinspeter), which was in the news last week for its spectacular Olympic swimming pool-like depths, the result of a damaged pipe caused by, the council says, a tree root ingress.

But what about an outsider like the NCN 6 in Northampton? A victim of regular flooding when the adjacent River Nene is high, reader Martin Baker reckons it could go all the way.

NCN6, Northampton (Martin Baker)

Of course, the season is still young, and there are plenty of flooded cycleways for us to wade through before we crown a river- I mean winner…

Keep sending us your local favourites!

13 January 2023, 12:39
“Can we expect a valet service?” Former pro mountain biker charged £75 to bring bike on ferry

‘Ow much?

According to former pro mountain biker and Active Nation commissioner for Scotland Lee Craigie, Brittany Ferries did at least get back to her, with what could charitably be described as a load of old cobblers.

“Like most major transport companies today our pricing changes with demand and so naturally during peak periods, or on sailings where demand increases, our prices can vary,” the company said.

“There are several factors that need to be taken into consideration when different passenger types travel on a ferry and there is an additional fee for a bicycle over a foot passenger fare.

“For instance, cyclists have a separate check-in and route through port, requiring different facilities than foot passengers.

“Once on board, garage space is allocated for bicycles, reducing the space for other vehicle types, and there is a member of crew who will be assigned to directing and safely storing the bicycles for transit, which of course takes additional time over a foot passenger or even a car.”

Of course…

13 January 2023, 11:56
“Ensuring the safety of all vulnerable road users”: Dublin police fine 16 cyclists in operation targeting red light jumpers and bikes without lights

Gardaí in Dublin city centre carried out an operation earlier this week targeting cyclists jumping red lights and riding without front and rear lights – and issued fines to 16 cyclists in the process.

A tweet from An Garda Síochána’s traffic team said that the operation was about “ensuring the safety of all vulnerable road users”.

As Sticky Bottle pointed out, just before Christmas it emerged that only 71 drivers had been convicted in 2022 of dangerously overtaking a cyclist.

Needless to say – just like a similar cyclist-targeting operation carried out by the Met in Hackney last year – the Gardaí’s attempt to protect vulnerable road users divided those on Twitter:

> Police in Hackney catch 18 red light jumping cyclists in 90 minutes 

13 January 2023, 11:26
Quick, someone ring Netflix, Geraint has come up with a title for their new show

Well, at least it would still be better than ‘Tour de Force’ or something like that…

13 January 2023, 10:38
Pinot battles to third on the stage to Mende at the 2022 Tour de France (Zac Williams/SWpix.com)
Thibaut Pinot: “The first thing I’ll sell is the turbo trainer”

It’s fair to say that Thibaut Pinot’s announcement yesterday that he plans to retire at the end of 2023 has sent the cycling world into a period of mourning.

And it’s easy to see why. Throughout the 2010s – a decade dominated by the relentless, robotic rhythms of the Sky train in the grand tours – Pinot stood out as one of the sport’s great, lost romantics who, like the French heroes of the increasingly distant past, raced on feel and with (dare I say it) panache. And who, most importantly, appeared human.

> Thibaut Pinot announces he will retire from cycling at the end of 2023

That caricature of Pinot as cycling’s last romantic (and, despite all the teary abandons and photos with his goats, it is still a caricature) stems from the Groupama-FDJ rider’s striking relatability and understand that there’s life beyond racing your bike – something underlined by his plans for the future, as told to L'Équipe in their cover story on the 32-year-old’s retirement.

“The first thing I’ll sell is the turbo trainer,” Pinot told the newspaper. Very relatable.

“Cycling’s taken up a third of my life,” he continued. “I want to focus on my other passion – animals and nature. I’ve always wanted to use what nature gives us to make things, honey, grow fruit and vegetables. I’ll open a guesthouse. Do some trail running & cross-country skiing, which’ll help my hyperactivity.”

Thibaut Pinot wins on the Tourmalet, 2019 Tour de France (A.S.O./Thomas Maheux)

On the way to victory on the Tourmalet at the 2019 Tour (A.S.O./Thomas Maheux)

Reflecting on his dramatic abandon at the 2019 Tour de France, when he appeared on the cusp of ending his country’s then-34-year drought at their home grand tour, Pinot once again illustrates why he’s not Chris Froome, or  Tadej Pogačar.

“If I’m able to live the life I dream of, it’s also because I didn’t win the 2019 Tour,” he says.

“My life would have changed too much, which is why I have no regrets. I never wanted to have the life of a champion. I would have become a public figure, really famous, and I didn’t want that.”

While Groupama-FDJ boss Marc Madiot – in typical Madiot fashion – reckons Pinot’s 2019 Tour was his “unfinished symphony”, the Tour of Lombardy winner’s main goal for 2023 will swell the heart of every cycling romantic: the Giro d’Italia.

“Even though I've only raced it twice, the Giro is the most beautiful race for me. I can’t finish my Giro story with an abandon in an ambulance,” he says.

A love for the Giro and a hatred of turbo trainers? Again, a man after my own heart.

While Pinot’s announcement this week has prompted fans and the media to reflect on a cycling life less ordinary, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of drama, goat photos, and battered car panels left to nourish our romantic urges throughout 2023…

13 January 2023, 09:58
Why don’t cyclists use the cycle lanes? Part 2,967

To be fair, I’m not sure all the parked cars were included in Sustrans’ designs for the recently opened cycle lane in Enfield… 

After obtaining a PhD, lecturing, and hosting a history podcast at Queen’s University Belfast, Ryan joined road.cc in December 2021 and since then has kept the site’s readers and listeners informed and enthralled (well at least occasionally) on news, the live blog, and the road.cc Podcast. After boarding a wrong bus at the world championships and ruining a good pair of jeans at the cyclocross, he now serves as road.cc’s senior news writer. Before his foray into cycling journalism, he wallowed in the equally pitiless world of academia, where he wrote a book about Victorian politics and droned on about cycling and bikes to classes of bored students (while taking every chance he could get to talk about cycling in print or on the radio). He can be found riding his bike very slowly around the narrow, scenic country lanes of Co. Down.

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Hirsute replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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I got the impression that although a wide overtake they didn't have the visibility to do that and that's what the reaction was to.

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HoarseMann replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Possibly, it's difficult to tell from wide angle camera footage. It didn't look too bad to me, I've certainly had a lot worse.

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Backladder replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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Wide angle footage probably makes the junction seem further away than it was as well.

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Hirsute replied to HoarseMann | 2 years ago
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Someone recognised the road - rather straight !

https://goo.gl/maps/GWkWZGufuiJnCBbE6

There are long dashes and it is a bend but not really clear why the cyclist objected.

Although the driver must have been looking for trouble to stop that quickly.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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I got overtaken by an SUV/pickup here - https://goo.gl/maps/97fYDwvkhUahMLSN6 - last night.  Plenty of room, until the driver had to swerve to avoid the car coming round the basically blind bend...

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Awavey replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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I dont know whether to laugh or cry at that one, the car rolling away is comedy, the warning letter isnt nearly enough for something that looked like common assault.

But sheesh talk about being triggered much, how do people get so wound up they react like that to a cyclist ?

And the overtake space might have looked enough but obviously the cyclist turning right is wanting to move right in the lane. Would have liked to see the bit before the pass though as that doesnt strike me as an instant reaction style reaction to passing like that.

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NotNigel replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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Was thinking the same, I've the impression how the clip started right on the overtake, that there was possibly a bit more to it than just that.

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Awavey replied to NotNigel | 2 years ago
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And not to imply the cyclist did anything wrong prior at all.

it's just that seemed a massive overreaction, even by crazy irrational driver standards,and from both occupants of the car too. Who within 10 secs of overtaking a cyclist seemingly in their mind with no issue and on their way, are stopping, looking almost to start a fight about it, from a driver who has completely lost self control cant even remember to put the handbrake on.

it's difficult to hear what the driver is saying but I think the first thing he says is "what on earth is up with you " to the cyclist & then repeats that phrase at least two more times interspersed with more swearing.

That feels like the result of a longer sequence of events, than a one off instantaneous reaction from the overtake.

But who knows I once gave a driver who close passed me at speed, an upturned wtf style palm gesture, who then had to stop for a set of lights and spent the whole time shouting back threatening he was going to come beat me up for it, till I showed him the camera he was being videoed on.

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Hirsute replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Was the woman the passenger?  Why did she get up (I'm watching it with the sound off - was there perchance a cry of "Leave 'im, Barry - he ain't wurf it!"?).

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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The wife I imagine. Don't know why they got out - spoiling for a fight !

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Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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I can't see much wrong with that cycle lane apart from the fact that the high winds have blown some debris down on it and a bunch of arseholes have parked on it*, a quick run through with a street sweeper and some traffic wardens and it'll be fine.

The Twitter poster Ediz is somewhat notorious: although he cycles he is vociferously pro-car and anti-LTN and anti-cycle lanes, he rather specialises in finding traffic jams in north London then posting them up as evidence of the problems caused by cycle lanes/LTNs, even if they're miles away from either and/or in areas that were just as jammed pre-LTN/cycle lanes were installed, it's best to take his video evidence with a skipful of salt.

*To be fair to the drivers (through gritted teeth), the presence of all those cones at the side of the lane seems to indicate that it has only just been completed and so perhaps the appropriate signage indicating that it's a cycle lane and no parking is allowed has yet to be installed. It shouldn't take a genius to know that you shouldn't park there, but...

 

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HarrogateSpa replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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I was also rather surprised to see Ediz quoted by road.cc, as my impression is that he is an active and aggressive anti-cycle infrastructure troll.

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rct replied to HarrogateSpa | 2 years ago
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Can't see his tweets as he blocked me for asking him a question a year or more ago.

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ShutTheFrontDawes replied to Rendel Harris | 2 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

a quick run through with a street sweeper and some traffic wardens and it'll be fine

I think the street sweeper has been and gone. The main carriageway looks very clear.

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mitsky | 2 years ago
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I face this (without the child), as do most cyclists, on a daily basis.

I don't mind if the driver is very slow/cautious but have reported ones who don't slow down or are aggressive/closer than I'm comfortable with.

The way I look at this clip and most situations is: imagine the centre of the road have broken lines marking the two way lanes.

In that case the driver of the vehicle that has to cross the line (due to the parked cars) needs to give way to the vehicle (cyclist) that doesn't.

This can easily be seen to be the case here.
Even without the lines on the road, the van driver is straddling the middle of the road.
I appreciate that this case has been declared as one way and two directional for cyclists but the same principle should apply for safety.

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Hirsute replied to mitsky | 2 years ago
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The driver is straddling the road on account of it being one way, so I don't see how your argument from two way applies.

https://goo.gl/maps/X9wQ7D27bEEmHrgn6

The real question is who has priority in a contra flow situation ?

I don't think the clip is long enough to work out for the first cyclist what the situation is but for the cammer, they did have a big gap to pull into with the van already established.

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HarrogateSpa replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Apply the hierarchy of road users. The driver can do the greatest harm, so has the greatest responsibility to take care, and should cede priority.

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hawkinspeter replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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hirsute wrote:

The driver is straddling the road on account of it being one way, so I don't see how your argument from two way applies.

https://goo.gl/maps/X9wQ7D27bEEmHrgn6

The real question is who has priority in a contra flow situation ?

I don't think the clip is long enough to work out for the first cyclist what the situation is but for the cammer, they did have a big gap to pull into with the van already established.

Personally, I cede priority if I'm cycling contraflow, but I have been known to unilaterally decide that contraflow cycling is allowed.

It's not ideal, but I wouldn't have expected the van to pull in.

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HoarseMann replied to mitsky | 2 years ago
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mitsky wrote:

The way I look at this clip and most situations is: imagine the centre of the road have broken lines marking the two way lanes.

That's not the way it works. It's covered in the highway code rule 163: "give way to oncoming vehicles before passing parked vehicles or other obstructions on your side of the road"

Note it says give way 'before' passing. Once you are actually passing, nobody has priority. It's just treated as a narrow section of road, like a single track country lane.

Unfortunately, there is no guidance in the highway code regarding the passing of oncoming cyclists on narrow roads. I do think there should be a minimum passing distance for oncoming vehicles and guidance to stop and let the more vulnerable road user make their way past.

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Jimmy Ray Will | 2 years ago
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I think the van is OK here. 

Both van and cyclist were well established in the road, so its hard to say if anyone had priority. Although, the cyclist isn't encroaching on the van's 'side' of the road and is the more vulnerable road user, so yu would have to argue they are in the driving seat.

However, both cyclist and van driver had opportunities to pull in. The cyclist had the first and more significant space to pull in to, but elected not to do so. That to me signals that the cyclist was comfortable with the space available and the van driver was OK to proceed as they did. 

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the little onion replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 2 years ago
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Part of me says that both had space to pull over, so equal culpability

Another part of me instinctively says that the larger vehicle needs to take more care over the more vulnerable road user

Most of me says that this would even register in the top 100 dangers I face in a typical ride.

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HarrogateSpa replied to Jimmy Ray Will | 2 years ago
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Maybe, but in my experience most drivers are prepared to drive at you in order to bully you out of the way. I don't like that.

I sometimes try to be assertive and hold my ground. Most of time it's ok, but some drivers would rather kill you than slow down.

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Cycloid | 2 years ago
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I think there is a very simple criterion which may be applied in many of these  who is right/wrong situations.

If the driver did this on a driving test would it result in a fail?
The driving test is the Minimum standard you must achieve to be allowed to drive on the roads.
Fail the test and the DVLA does not think you are fit to be on the road.

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mitsky replied to Cycloid | 2 years ago
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I agree and would love for this principle to apply to all reports (with video evidence) to the police of bad drivers.

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OnYerBike | 2 years ago
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Maybe in an ideal world the van would have stopped, but I think the cyclist fully expected the van to continue and took the decision to proceed into that situation. My main concern with the van's driving is that at one point they appear to veer towards the cyclist, causing the cyclist to take evasive action. 

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Hirsute | 2 years ago
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I would have pulled in as the cammer.

I believe this is a contra flow too for the cyclists, so that needs to be taken into account.

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HarrogateSpa replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Is there a rule that contraflow cyclists have to give way?

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Hirsute replied to HarrogateSpa | 2 years ago
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I don't know - what are the precise rules as opposed to a hierarchy concept?

I see hoarseman mentions rule 163.

I don't think the hierarchy automatically gives me priority at a pinch point or narrow road if someone else is already established before I get there.

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HoarseMann replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Agree. The cammer should have pulled into the gap. There's not enough footage to determine if the cyclist with the kid on the back should have done too, but likely to be the case.

Both cyclists are also way too close to the parked cars. If a door opened or someone stepped out, then they could find themselves under the wheels of the van.

It's poor infrastructure that encourages cyclists to put themselves in a precarious position.

Having said all that. As a driver, I would have fully stopped the moment it appeared the cyclists were not going to wait in the gap. No matter who had priority, the danger here was created by the van driver, so they have a greater responsibilty to minimise the risk.

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