As I’m sure you all know by now, the issue of ‘dangerous cyclists’ – you know, the ones who sprint with Cavendish-esque precision around the streets of central London at 52mph (don’t worry, we’ll have more on that head scratching Telegraph article later) – has been a prominent one in the national press this week, culminating in the government’s plans to back tougher legislation to prosecute people on bikes who kill or injure through dangerous or careless cycling.
So, as if to underline the point that cyclists pose the gravest threat on our roads (making them all “death traps”, according to the Telegraph), this happened on London’s Stoke Newington Road yesterday:
Apparently, the BMW driver, after his rather spectacular landing on a cycle stand and a poor unsuspecting bike, fled the scene without taking his missing wheel with him, while no-one was reported to have been injured (which is a miracle, really).
And needless to say, the rather striking images conjured up by yet another display of reckless driving on the UK’s roads sparked quite a few sarcastic (and some extremely serious) responses from “bloody” cyclists on social media, keen to highlight the irony of the government’s current road safety rhetoric.
“Very irresponsible, dangerous cycling clearly at fault here,” wrote Richard, while Simon said: “Meanwhile, we’re all being told to argue about floating bus-stops and dangerous cycling laws.”
“That new dangerous cycling law can’t come soon enough,” proclaimed Stuart.
“We need more enforcement of dangerous cyclists,” agreed the Berkshire Cyclist group, before Steve asked: “What speed was this bike doing to cause this?”
Meanwhile, AZB helpfully reported: “We’re getting word from Iain Duncan Smith that the cycle rack jumped out in front of the BMW and it’s also the cycle rack’s fault for being exactly where a speeding BMW would want to mount the pavement.”
Depressingly, that doesn’t sound too far-fetched at all from this current crop in power…
On the more serious side of things, AZB also wrote: “I don’t see how having a licence, insurance, and a reg plate helped prevent this collision? It’s almost as if those things don’t prevent dangerous drivers.”
“Without the cycling stands this could have been multiple fatalities,” added cycling campaigner Harry Gray. “When will Mark Harper do anything about this?”
> "30,000 people are killed or seriously injured on our roads every year, less than three involving a cyclist": Chris Boardman on dangerous cycling
In many ways, yesterday’s scene on the Stoke Newington Road underlines the point made by Chris Boardman on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, and covered on yesterday’s live blog.
“There are over 1,700 deaths caused by, or involved in, vehicles every year, 30,000 killed or seriously injured. It’s important that we say that because there are three involving, not necessarily caused by, but three or less involving a bike rider,” Boardman said.
“And as the Secretary of State [Mark Harper] said, this is such a tiny minority. More people are killed by lightning, or cows. And that same thing [cycling] is joyous. It’s good for society.
“And we put the focus on this minuscule, negative thing. Absolutely, everybody should obey the laws of the road. But is this really the best use of our time to be talking about this now?”
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The way that thing is balanced on the one wheel, I'd be tempted to give it a good shove and send it crashing on to the road.
#unicyclemenace - another loophole the Criminal Justice Bill needs to close.
Wait till the Telegraph hears about this, those dangerous speedy cyclists are now disrupting weddings.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd131e73z0yo
That's cool. All we want now is all those cyclists to have bells on and make loads of congratulatory pings as they go past. That could really make the day different and special.
downside with that is pro riders dont think bells are very aero thesedays, plus theres bound to be a UCI rule against them.
as its during the Ride London Classique race, the Maldon to Maldon stage, not the actual Ride London
How hundreds of thousands fought the road crime ( not sure this scans !)
[I fought the road crime and the road crime won ?]
A grocery delivery van driver pushed me off the bus lane in Battersea and made me start reporting". This is how I became a so-called headcam cyclist. More and more people equip themselves with recording devices for their commute bike rides. After a few years of being active in the "community" of cyclists reporting dangerous driving to the police, I decided to take a different approach - learn and tell the story about how it all began.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sielay/record-retreat-report
From twitter - not me at all.
Police stop illegal just eat driver but twitter moans they have taken his livelihood away. Better than him taking a life with those excuse for brakes
"turning it into a motorcycle purely powered by electricity, with defective brakes! "
That isn't even the worst looking Frankenbike I've seen today…
I like it that the optional chain has gone but they've kept the deraillieur. (Probably hard to get off with all the rust...)
The Telegraph's protests: make cyclists ride slower, also remove 20 MPH zones so motorists can drive faster.
Its all about safety....until it isnt.
A serious Strava question.
On a Strava segment what proportion will be doing it for a speed/time and what proportion just as a route tracker etc on routnie utility cycling? I don't use it so I don't have any idea.
I'm interested in the pivot from "one person did this speed" (which is 20-40% faster than the flying start Olympic time trial record in a velodrome) and then making a claim that that is how 90k people have behaved.
On the Telegraph piece clearly in general the writer and the editor are deliberately lying, they know they are lying, and they will continue to lie. That's SOP at the Telegraph for you.
For example, their 'flying cylists down the pavement in my new housing estate' outragee documents herself as living in the USA.
Depends on the segment and the person, but:
(1) within London in particular, very many recorded rides will be commuting (whether or not specifically tagged as such)
(2) the fact that they're commuting doesn't necessarily mean it's not quick - plenty of people commute at quite a lick (and may even have favoured segments - I am guilty for example of putting my meagre power down up Constitution Hill, albeit this is mitigated by doing it on a Brompton)
(3) conversely, even those who are not commuting / utility riding won't necessarily be trying to hit particular segments. I regularly record my leisure rides and may look back at segments afterwards, but am never particularly focused on trying for a time while I'm out.
So that would be how many actually time trialing against themselves, then, by your guestimate?
0.01%? 0.1%? 1%? 10%?
I'd probably think something around 1 in 500 to 1 in 2000 for a busy London segment - so 0.05% to 0.2%, or ~50 to ~200 from the Telegraph's 90,000 individuals, recognising that that is counting people not rides.
95% of the time, when I get a KOM (which is rare) or beat my PR, I was just riding along and got lucky with a tailwind or just feeling really good that day.
Maybe a dozen times in ten years have I consciously gone for a KOM or PR, and those have been uphill segments so I've been going a blistering 10-15 MPH.
This one's on my afternoon commute, so I have over 1400 attempts. If I ever have a strong north wind and my legs feel fresh, I may go for it, but those guys above me are strong! I was definitely giving it the beans the day I got 45 seconds, and it was on a 30 lb (13 kg) steel singlespeed.
Time is against you as well. Get older get slower I was never particularly fast, I'm even slower now
Even on a good day on a good bike, would you take 9S off a 30 year old you ?
I'm blaming Russian interference with GPS signals for any apparent getting slower with ageness.
It still feels the same speed and that's what counts
I would easily beat a 30-year-old me. It wouldn't even be close. I'm 52 but didn't start cycling regularly until ten years ago.
I'm currently in about the best cardiovascular shape of my life, but definitely plateauing.
I've kept ride records for most of my life. I know I'm slower now than 30, 40 and 50. My Max HR is still in the 160s' and not following the 220-age curve but I can't average 140-150 for long now without getting out of breath quickly.
I just looked, and I do currently have a grand total of two KOMs. They're one mile flattish segments on the same road in opposite directions. My records are about 19 and 24 MPH, and I was probably pushing it to see how fast I could go because I had a pretty good tailwind. Neither has more than 25 cyclists who've attempted them, which is surprising as it bypasses a 4 lane 45 MPH stroad. I can't find a speed limit sign anywhere along it in Street View, but I'd guess 30 MPH.
https://www.strava.com/segments/10888624
https://www.strava.com/segments/10888635
Paging brooksby and HP
"In Bristol, with its brutal hills, a new record was set alongside the Avon in Clifton in March this year, with a 40mph entry. Just around the bend, on Clifton Down, where the speed limit is 30mph, over 11,000 people have attempted the segment, with the record holder having done it at 39mph."
Of course no mention of the type of road or speed limit.
The small print that nearly all will miss has the caveat
"Highest speeds may, in some cases, be done by professional cyclists in regulated time trials. "
When it says "People Attempted" this segment, does it really mean people who have also ridden down this road where this segment has been created?
I ride many segments but never "attempt" them.
It means whatever will make an enraged telegraph reader even more angry.
Can't wait to see the in laws on the bank holiday and read their telegraph.
Me thinks you'd only abandon a practically new BMW if you were drunk, had a stash of drugs on you or had stolen the car. Cant think of any other reason.
Anyone mentioned this yet? Apparently cyclists are the reason that roads are dangerous, not the drivers that cause 2k deaths and 25k serious injuries per year, whom are 2-3 times more likely to be at fault in car vs bike KSIs, and most of whom (according to DfT stats) are speeding most of the time.
Edit: £20 says the 52mph in a 20 zone was actually done in a car anyway.
I "enjoyed" the use of the word 'attempted'.
What that actually means is number of people who have rode that particular segment ... most of whom are leisure or commuters and haven't "attempted" anything.
ride or ride not, there is no attempt.
This is how &^%*ing thick they are
"There is no start and finish line marked out on these routes, no one there to invigilate – just a phone zipped into a cyclist’s back pocket, or perched on their handlebars, that measures the stats as they charge along,"
"I once walked past a cyclist who had stopped and was bragging and laughing to his friend that he had just run over a squirrel.”
Or he realised he nearly crashed.
On several threads now, chewed over in comments here:
https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-live-blog-16-may-2024-308403
"Dangerous scorchers" - just the wheel of culture coming round to a similar point again [1] [how to police this - get them on bikes also!].
Ah. Apologies, I didn't notice them. I only saw this because it's blown up on the UK Reddit subs, where I get notifications.
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