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hirsute wrote:

Any one else wanting to take a bucket and sponge with them to clean all those number plates?

Drivists deliberating avoiding being identified !

I think this is a charming and helpful proposal but I suspect in many cases the reaction would be "You touch my car, you'll be eating that sponge and wearing that bucket!"

Well with the current examples of the behaviours of the illustrious leader during lockdowns, I do wonder if denying lockdowns were ever needed is the new defence. Pretty sure JRM used that line on his Newsnight interview just after stating Scottish Tories are irrelevant. 

Thanks for the link. A very interesting read.

Garage at Large wrote:

Talking of Mike van Erp (who I see has a spot on the Roadcc podcast, which is fantastic - he has a great face for the spoken medium), Britain's top selling and award winning newspaper the Daily Mail has a well researched and mostly sympathetic article on the divisive "safety campaigner". Please see https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10428837/Road-safety-hero-menac... for more.

Can you explain what you mean by the two parts I have highlighted in bold?

One appears to be a personal slight on Mike's appearance. Is that the best you can do? Pathetic. And so uncool.

The other suggests that he's not a safety campaigner (or that what he's doing is not campaigning for safety). Most people with half a brain would disagree.

I guess by saying that he is "divisive" you mean that lawbreaking drivers don't like being caught. Those fuckers need teaching a lesson. I hope every single one of those rulebreakers gets prosecuted. It's a crying shame that UK roads policing has been shrunk by pressure on successive governments (I remember Blunkett being under pressure as gatsos were torched) and the Tories' love of ongoing brutal cuts to many public services since 2010.

More power to Mike and everyone like him!

Simon E wrote:

The other suggests that he's not a safety campaigner (or that what he's doing is not campaigning for safety). Most people with half a brain would disagree.

To pre-empt a potential riposte, I assume you mean

Most people with more than half a brain would disagree?

mdavidford wrote:

Simon E wrote:

The other suggests that he's not a safety campaigner (or that what he's doing is not campaigning for safety). Most people with half a brain would disagree.

To pre-empt a potential riposte, I assume you mean

Most people with more than half a brain would disagree?

most people with at least half a brain?

wycombewheeler wrote:

mdavidford wrote:

Simon E wrote:

The other suggests that he's not a safety campaigner (or that what he's doing is not campaigning for safety). Most people with half a brain would disagree.

To pre-empt a potential riposte, I assume you mean

Most people with more than half a brain would disagree?

most people with at least half a brain?

Possibly. But maybe those with exactly half a brain could go either way. 

Well as boo has made some really vile claims about Mikey and his filming previously, and hinted at them again just the other day, only complaining about his face is a massive step up for him. I suspect he has realised he ran close to what got him banned (sorry, asking the site to remove him) with his comment on the Irish cyclist so can't make those other hints at the moment. 

I think just general ranting is the way to go !

PRSboy wrote:

Anti Vaxxers can just fcuk off with their opinions unless they take no medicines at all.

Exactly this.

It's always great reading about these anti-vaxxers in hospital who won't take a vaccine but will quite happily be pumped full of Hydroxychloroquine, Ivermectin and Monoclonal antibodies.

It's funny they are not concerned that they don't know what is in those drugs or that monocolonal antibodies are "experimental" in the same way that they said the covid vaccines were and the fact that data for Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine is not beneficial at all.

*Edit*

It also ties in with what Captain Badger said that the vast majority of anti-vaxxers only care about themselves.

No one is saying that the vaccines stop infections or that they stop transmission but it has been proved beyond doubt that being vaccinated reduces the severity of the disease in those who catch covid, greatly reducing the likelihood of hospitalisation across the board.

And I do love how a certain statistical expert is relying on one of the most useless statistics relating to health...... BMI.  It is a guide nothing more.  There are plenty of professional athletes with BMI's in excess of 30....

TriTaxMan wrote:

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It's funny they are not concerned that they don't know what is in those drugs or that monocolonal antibodies are "experimental" in the same way that they said the covid vaccines were and the fact that data for Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine is not beneficial at all.

As a student I had a summer job in a factory. last Friday of each month the boss would take the workforce out for a slap up pub meal. This particular pub's chef was from Pakistan, and did the most amazing curries, which all but one of us would tuck into . 

Our colleague would regard our meals suspiciously, and say "don't know how you can eat that."

"why not, it's top-notch?"

"you don't know what they've put in it"

He would then turn attention to his pukka pie and chips.

Sounds like the colleague is the same one who would casually mention dogs and cats have gone missing around the Chinese Takeaway and other racist junk. 

AlsoSomniloquism wrote:

Sounds like the colleague is the same one who would casually mention dogs and cats have gone missing around the Chinese Takeaway and other racist junk. 

Yeah, it was that knd of thing, with added irony that mass produced meat pies were somehow to be trusted.

I certainly didn't let it spoil my Jalfrrezi though. 

Or like the girl I met in Kenya who wouldn't take antimalarials as they were "full of chemicals" but was happy to inhale the products of incomplete combustion of a dried out plant material she had bought off some guy on the street. 

edited to fix typos

Seventyone wrote:

Or like the girl I met in Kenya who wouldn't take antimalarials as they were "full of chemicals" but was happy to inhale the products of incomplete combustion of a dried out plant material she had bought off some guy on the street. 

edited to fix typos

yeah, but that's natchrul.....

Seventyone wrote:

Or like the girl I met in Kenya who wouldn't take antimalarials as they were "full of chemicals" but was happy to inhale the products of incomplete combustion of a dried out plant material she had bought off some guy on the street. 

edited to fix typos

But Arnie said, it is not a drug, it is a leaf!

Captain Badger wrote:

He would then turn attention to his pukka pie and chips.

You leave Pukka pie and chips alone!!

Flintshire Boy wrote:

You leave Pukka pie and chips alone!!

Certainly will, s'all yours....

TriTaxMan wrote:

It's always great reading about these anti-vaxxers in hospital cycling who won't take a vaccine but will quite happily be pumped full of

EPO, nandralone, hydroxytetstosterone, insulin, salbutamol.....

TriTaxMan wrote:

......

It also ties in with what Captain Badger said that the vast majority of anti-vaxxers only care about themselves.

No one is saying that the vaccines stop infections or that they stop transmission but it has been proved beyond doubt that being vaccinated reduces the severity of the disease in those who catch covid, greatly reducing the likelihood of hospitalisation across the board.

And I do love how a certain statistical expert is relying on one of the most useless statistics relating to health...... BMI.  It is a guide nothing more.  There are plenty of professional athletes with BMI's in excess of 30....

I'm not sure that I was quite so categoric.
To refine the definition discussed with FrankH below, I think there is a distinction between the people who make sh1t up (Andrew Wakefield eg), the people who cynically propagate it for profit (personal or financial, Piers Corbyn, daily heil et Al), and those who fall for it (who I feel some sympathy for - anybody can be wrong given the right circumstances).

Those in the 3rd category are often (not exclusively) poorly educated, or don't know how to access or even recognise reliable sources of data, and if they could, rarely have the training to scrutinise it critically.

In short often the belief is genuine. And if you or I believed that a vaccine was harmful or even just had doubts about its efficacy, may then be reluctant to take it up. There have been cases of medicines causing problems, as we know, or experiments on unwitting subjects taking place. These well publicised cases are clearly contributory to the well established regulation that we enjoy today.
If you know about it.
However many in this 3rd category don't have this depth of knowledge, for a variety of reasons, some of which outside their control.

PRSboy wrote:

Anti Vaxxers can just fcuk off with their opinions unless they take no medicines at all.

...and grow all their own food too. Or do they trust pesticides and antibiotics used for the farmers' benefit, but not trust medicines designed for everyone's benefit?

Wait 'til you find out about anti-vaxxers that take recreational drugs.

IanMK wrote:

Wait 'til you find out about anti-vaxxers that take recreational drugs.

yeah but as long as you've got a good dealer. Y'know, one you can trust......