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Is it fair enough to slap a close pass driver's car?; Reaction to Government dismissing Mr Loophole petition; Relive Cav equalling Merckx's record; CyclingMikey goes international; Sunrise scenes; But cyclists; Route-planning app + more on the live blog

The shortest day has been and gone, summer starts here...Dan Alexander is the man behind the keyboard for Wednesday's live blog...

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22 December 2021, 15:58
Floyd Landis returns to cycling sponsoring new team focused on gravel and mountain bike events
Floyd Landis

Floyd Landis is back in pro cycling again, this time as the sponsor of a team focused on gravel and mountain bike events in the United States. Floyd's of Leadville Racing takes the name of Landis' CBD company and will initially start with five riders, including guest rides from the stripped 2006 Tour winner.

"Bicycle racing is where our core customers spend their energy and attention and we felt that being at the races would be an important step to further grow our brand," Landis said.

"Our aim with the programme is to create a family feeling, and develop a racing culture that emphasises the experiences and stories we will share together, more than racing results."

22 December 2021, 15:30
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22 December 2021, 14:11
We're going to need a bigger live blog...reaction floods in for our main story of the day — is it fair enough to hit a close pass driver's car?

Well, I wasn't expecting this strong a reaction. 65 replies on Twitter, 138 comments on Facebook, an Olympic gold medallist getting involved...I reckon we could dissect this for the rest of the week.

First up, 2016 Rio gold medallist Callum Skinner had this to say... 

Other honourable mentions...

Not everyone was in agreement though. Some pointed out the danger of not knowing how another road user might react to you hitting their car...

On Facebook, Jase Clarke seperated the question into two scenarios: first, if you hit the car during the close pass to let them know you're there. Second, the situation in the original video where the rider hits the vehicle when they catch up after the close pass..."In the first case, sometimes it’s a necessity to let them know you’re there, and that they’re too close. In the second one, it’s a no."

Chris disagreed with the idea that it's ever acceptable, "No, it's not ok, as it shows self-righteousness and pompous narcissism, shout and scream but don't touch anyone's property."

Onto the live blog comments now, Bart P thinks: "Is it fair? Yes. Does it feel rewarding? F*ck yes. Should you do it? Hell no. You simply don't known who is behind the wheel of the car and unfortunately there are some proper nutters out there."

Gsteve68 added: "All I can say with regards to hitting out at a close passing car is please don't. Rise above it, record and report it by all means but we all know that many drivers have an irrational dislike of cyclists and a feeling of entitled superiority in their cars.  Many drivers have a special bond with their car and and assault on it is an assault on them

"In a moment of madness their vehicle can become a weapon and 2000ish kg v 100ish kg is only every going to have one outcome whether you're in the right or not. There are too many cases where a driver has killed or seriously injured a cyclist with a punishment pass or brake test and I'm sure the driver's reaction in that moment was simply 'I'll teach that bloody cyclist a lesson' stupidly ignorant to the potential consequences."

Awavey agreed: "It might be an understandable reaction to slap a vehicle close passing like that, but it's a really bad idea imo. It absolutely does escalate the situation and puts you in far more danger, a cyclist will always come out the loser in a fight between a vehicle with an angry driver at the wheel, no matter how big, tough or macho you think you are. Save the satisfaction for reporting the driver instead, which as the original video poster highlighted, they instantly forfeited the right to."

And to Sriracha who rightly noted I claimed the longest day has just been and gone, no, I'm unfortunately not WFH Down Under...the dangers of writing at 8am...the shortest day has just passed...

22 December 2021, 12:24
Best new pro kit? Team SD Worx' colourful number worx wonders

It's a winner in our book... 

22 December 2021, 12:02
Get your tiny violins out...reaction to Government dismissing Mr Loophole petition

Writing about Mr Loophole in the CyclingMikey post earlier reminded me to remind you to check out yesterday's story confirming the Government has "no plans" to make cyclists wear identification numbers. To be honest, we knew this would be the case, but in the face of some loopy petitioning from Mr Loophole Nick Freeman, we thought you'd be quite pleased to read the response...

> Government confirms it has “no plans” to make cyclists wear identification numbers as it rejects ‘Mr Loophole’ petition

The lawyer famous for getting celebrities off driving charges scraped over the 10,000 signatures required to hear an official response, but didn't get the answer he wanted...here's some of your reaction...

Steve K commented: "The response we all knew was coming, because the government has said it before (and recently) - a petition that barely made the threshold was hardly going to change their minds. Freeman could have saved himself a lot of trouble by simply writing to the government and getting the same response. But at least he can't complain that he hasn't had a full, well-reasoned and well-argued response."

EddyBerckx said: "Considering the amount of national publicity and social media hate mobs the petition just scraping over the 10k mark is actually a pretty positive thing. He knew nothing would ever come of it. He just wanted free publicity."

22 December 2021, 11:30
CyclingMikey goes international: Dutch newspaper publishes full page feature

CyclingMikey's global superstar status is getting closer...

Guy Ritchie was the first big-name celeb caught using his phone behind the wheel by Mikey. Then, this summer, Chris Eubank, plead guilty in court and was given three penalty points and £280 in fines, court costs and fees after Mikey reported his video of the former world champion boxer using his phone and jumping a red light.

Most recently, former England and Chelsea footballer Frank Lampard was caught by Mikey, allegedly juggling coffee and a phone while at the wheel. Lampard will appear in court next month, represented by a certain Nick 'Mr Loophole' Freeman...

All three of these were picked up by national news outlets here in the UK, and it seems even newspapers overseas are interested in Mikey's story...

This is a full-page feature in de Volkskrant, a Dutch daily newspaper with a circulation of around 250,000.

22 December 2021, 10:08
Could this be your new route-planning app?
Huli app

There’s a new automatic cycling route creator app on the market that works across the UK and Ireland.

The Huli Cycling Routes app creates routes for road, off-road and city riding, and you can specify distance or time, hilly, flat…

It's designed to be super simple to use, meaning you can create routes in seconds, says its developers, which sounds similar to Strava’s suggested route update this year. 

Huli app

The app also includes navigation, weather, route descriptions, surface/road types, satellite maps and the startup says that next week it’ll also be introducing its Huli Goals feature.

With this, you’ll be able to specify a weekly distance target, how many rides you want to do, and the app will automatically create routes of varying length/duration every week for you to beat the target. 

It’s available on iOS and Android.

22 December 2021, 09:58
But cyclists...'God Bless America' edition
22 December 2021, 09:32
Behind the scenes of Cav's Merckx-equalling win, Champs-Élysées disappointment and Paris party

Three days 'til Christmas but Deceuninck-Quick-Step are giving out the presents already... what more could you want than part three of the team's behind the scenes series from the Tour de France? It's the big one too...Cav's 34th stage win, the battle to stay in the race through the Pyrenees, Champs-Élysées disappointment, green jersey celebrations and post-race reflection.

You know the drill by now, it's mainly just 22 minutes of watching Cav hugging his teammates and staff (with a very wholesome scene with a fan at nine minutes too). You'll also see a little bit too much of Kasper Asgreen during the final stage pre-race meeting... most importantly it'll scratch that pro racing itch for another few hours. Roll on the new year...

22 December 2021, 09:24
Sunrise scenes
22 December 2021, 08:55
Is it fair enough to slap a close pass driver's car?

We've all been here: driver just has to get in front, overtakes just as the car ahead brakes to stop in traffic, overtaking car gets ten metres up the road before having to brake, you sail up the inside giving your best 'well that got you far didn't it mate' face.

That's what I do. Sometimes if I'm in a particularly bad mood they might get the exasperated hand off the bars and shake of the head, maybe even a cheery wave, but I can't say I've ever thought to do this...

Is it fair enough to give a close pass driver's car a slap on the way past? Righttobikeit said they'd normally just report the driver, but in this case couldn't resist more direct action.

In the Twitter echo chamber, the replies were unanimous in saying 'fair enough'...

But what do we reckon? Should you rise above it or is it a fair response to someone putting your life in danger? 

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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Awavey | 2 years ago
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It might be an understandable reaction to slap a vehicle close passing like that, but it's a really bad idea ime.

It absolutely does escalate the situation and puts you in far more danger, a cyclist will always come out the loser in a fight between a vehicle with an angry driver at the wheel, no matter how big, tough or macho you think you are.

Save the satisfaction for reporting the driver instead, which as the original video poster highlighted, they instantly forfeited the right to.

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Awavey | 2 years ago
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Totally agree.

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ejocs | 2 years ago
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As a rational matter? No, everything to lose and nothing to be gained. The arsehole who almost killed you and had his car slapped for it is exceedingly unlikely to direct his ensuing ire at himself and change his ways.

As an emotional matter, in the heat of the moment? Still don’t recommend it, but wouldn’t blame anyone for having a go.

Not long ago I gave a harder-than-intended slap to the side mirror of a motorist that had blown through a red light, almost run me over, and then lurched at me menacingly and repeatedly when I stopped in front of his car and refused to let him pass through the intersection while his light was still red. The mirror popped out of the frame, and the driver popped out of his car to confront me. After an extended and aggressive confrontation, the police arrived, scolding the driver for his behavior and absolving me for mine. As the driver continued yelling bigoted demands that I (that ignorant foreigner! that gangster! that thug!)* pay the replacement cost for his precious mirror (Benz, naturally), the officer casually popped the mirror back into place and told the man to drop it. The old git still refused to let it go unless I apologized (!) for using crude language (!) at him in the intersection. Not having the cultural or linguistic upper hand, my being grateful to the police officers and wanting to let them go on their way, and it being very cold, I apologized to the miserable tosser and the thing was done.

*I am in fact a nerdy academic who works for that man’s government and knows his country’s laws far better than he does. I am also a model citizen and inveterate rule follower—but we've all got our limits.

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wycombewheeler replied to ejocs | 2 years ago
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Ib think with the police in attendance absolving you if wrongdoing, I would have just ridden off, see if he will keep blocking the junction demanding an apology from someone no longer there.

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ejocs replied to wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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True, but there were cultural considerations and so forth to deal with. The police had treated me well and handled the situation professionally, and I wanted to respect them by resolving the situation cleanly. The man's 20-something son had shown up (the family lived nearby) and admirably taken my side against his father, and I didn't want to put him in the position of having defended a rascal. While the police absolved me of wrongdoing, that absolution was more personal/situational than legal; the fact is that I attacked and damaged the man's property without (legal) justification, and even if the case would ultimately be resolved in my favor it was a risk and hassle that I didn't want to face. Etc. So in the end I think I benefitted myself, the son, and the police by apologizing, and the old man is just a write-off.

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Richard_pics | 2 years ago
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Absolutely smack that motor. Ive punched windows before too - they make a thoroughly satisfying thud....

Majority of the time the purpetrators of the close pass didnt have a clue that they had done it!

They soon realise when have an angry 6ft 1, lycra clad, squashed sausage raging at them thumping the window shouting expletives! 

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wycombewheeler replied to Richard_pics | 2 years ago
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Richard_pics wrote:

Absolutely smack that motor. Ive punched windows before too - they make a thoroughly satisfying thud....

Majority of the time the purpetrators of the close pass didnt have a clue that they had done it!

They soon realise when have an angry 6ft 1, lycra clad, squashed sausage raging at them thumping the window shouting expletives! 

I think they can call the police if you wave your squashed sausage at them and thump the window with it.

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chrisonabike replied to wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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Close pass? Squashed sausage? I can't tell what's wurst. If it came to court you'd probably lose your case - see links below:

 

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hawkinspeter replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

Close pass? Squashed sausage? I can't tell what's wurst. If it came to court you'd probably lose your case - see links below:

Those don't look like sausage links to me

 

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IanGlasgow replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

Close pass? Squashed sausage? I can't tell what's wurst. If it came to court you'd probably lose your case - see links below:

Those aren't links, they look rather four Lorne.

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chrisonabike replied to IanGlasgow | 2 years ago
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You're right, I have no case. I made a complete merguez of it.

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mdavidford replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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It was just mince.

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chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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Hitting a car - this would be a satisfying form of release and possibly a suitable mild objection if it weren't for the risk of provoking potential mortal combat. With someone armed with a car.

Also as mentioned the longer between the offense and the response the more we should all be thankful you're on a bike. Because if you were in a car you'd be the baddie, not being able to let go of your ire.

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chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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brooksby | 2 years ago
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If you can slap the car, it was being driven far too close...

(that being said, I don't think I would in case the person driving - or their passenger - had a bit of a short fuse).

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huntswheelers | 2 years ago
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I've been hit by a door mirror ....the mirror whacked back into the door window and broke off....karma really....the driver sped off so I couldn't get his registration number....since I have used a camera on the bike and got several reports actioned by local plod...... clearly closer than the video but in all honesty after my incident, if you can touch/hit their mirror they are way too close..... however how it plays out with the law/moral side of things...it's debatable

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legendary27 | 2 years ago
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A friend of a friend used to carry a water bottle with paint stripper in it.  If he was cut up in the manner shown in the video, if he caught back up to the car, he would spray the paint stripper onto it as he cycled past.  I could never decide if I was impressed with this or not.  On balance, I am not, but sometimes when I watch these videos, it has a certain allure.

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Sriracha replied to legendary27 | 2 years ago
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legendary27 wrote:

A friend of a friend used to carry a water bottle with paint stripper in it.

I wonder, what could possibly go wrong here?

Just, NO!

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EddyBerckx replied to legendary27 | 2 years ago
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legendary27 wrote:

A friend of a friend used to carry a water bottle with paint stripper in it.  If he was cut up in the manner shown in the video, if he caught back up to the car, he would spray the paint stripper onto it as he cycled past.  I could never decide if I was impressed with this or not.  On balance, I am not, but sometimes when I watch these videos, it has a certain allure.

That freaks me out...just imagine picking up the wrong bottle for a drink...

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hawkinspeter replied to legendary27 | 2 years ago
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legendary27 wrote:

A friend of a friend used to carry a water bottle with paint stripper in it.  If he was cut up in the manner shown in the video, if he caught back up to the car, he would spray the paint stripper onto it as he cycled past.  I could never decide if I was impressed with this or not.  On balance, I am not, but sometimes when I watch these videos, it has a certain allure.

I wouldn't want to get stopped by police and have to explain why I was carrying corrosive liquid in a bottle - that sounds like a bad day.

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OldRidgeback replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

legendary27 wrote:

A friend of a friend used to carry a water bottle with paint stripper in it.  If he was cut up in the manner shown in the video, if he caught back up to the car, he would spray the paint stripper onto it as he cycled past.  I could never decide if I was impressed with this or not.  On balance, I am not, but sometimes when I watch these videos, it has a certain allure.

I wouldn't want to get stopped by police and have to explain why I was carrying corrosive liquid in a bottle - that sounds like a bad day.

Hmm, just a thought but if you had a bottle of brake fluid and your bike has hydrauic brakes, then you'd have a pretty good reason for why you'd be carrying it. And brake fluid is indeed corrosive - just saying - not that I'd do it myself.

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hawkinspeter replied to OldRidgeback | 2 years ago
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OldRidgeback wrote:

Hmm, just a thought but if you had a bottle of brake fluid and your bike has hydrauic brakes, then you'd have a pretty good reason for why you'd be carrying it. And brake fluid is indeed corrosive - just saying - not that I'd do it myself.

Shimano mineral oil isn't particularly corrosive although it's apparently quite toxic. They recommend protective gloves if you're having prolonged exposure to it.

I'm not sure how you convince people that you occasionally bleed your brakes whilst out on a ride though.

Raw eggs might be a good choice - emergency fats and protein whilst on a ride though I'm not sure that I'd be comfortable with some eggs shoved in a pocket.

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giff77 replied to OldRidgeback | 2 years ago
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Had a mate who kept a handful of bearings in his pocket. Claimed they made handy stone chips. 

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hawkinspeter replied to giff77 | 2 years ago
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giff77 wrote:

Had a mate who kept a handful of bearings in his pocket. Claimed they made handy stone chips. 

Also useful if someone's chasing you. Just throw a handful on the floor and wait for the comedy pratfall.

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OldRidgeback replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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If you've noted the vehicle's registration and see it later I definitely would not suggest chucking a couple of ball bearings up the exhaust pipe so that they cause an annoying but hard to trace rattle that annoys the driver no end. This would probably damage the catalytic converter so in theory that could be classed as criminal damage.

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PRSboy | 2 years ago
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Fun though it is, I would personally avoid potentially escalating a conflict where the balance of power is not in your favour.  People seem increasingly unhinged these days.

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carlosdsanchez | 2 years ago
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I know it's not really equivalent, but you probably wouldn't like it if a pedestrian slapped at you or your bike, so generally, I'd say slapping out at cars isn't a good idea.

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Sriracha | 2 years ago
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The longest day has been and gone,...

Is this "live" blog recycled from 6 months ago, or is Dan Alexander WFH down under?

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hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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Hitting someone's car is almost guaranteed to escalate the situation. Some drivers take it as a deeply personal affront if anyone messes with their vehicle and will fly into a rage, so if you mess with their car, make sure that you've got a good escape route (best done in a traffic jam when you can disappear into the distance) and that they're not going to be able to chase and catch you up.

I think that people's ego/zone of personal space expands to become the car when driving (which makes sense as you need to consider the car's dimensions and not your own when driving), so hitting their car is almost equivalent (in their minds) to slapping them in the face. Obviously, we know that it's just property and slapping it is unlikely to leave any mark or damage, but an enraged driver won't necessarily see it like that.

If you're running a camera, don't bother hitting their vehicle as it won't accomplish anything useful (though it may be satisfying).

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SimoninSpalding replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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I agree. However, many years ago when I was a student and cycling daily in a city I did entertain myself by taking my keys out of my pocket and then jangling them in the eyeline of the drivist once I had repassed. Obviously I never touched their precious metal box, but by the time they had leapt out to inspect the damage and then got back in intending to give chase I was long gone. Knowing the location and having escape routes in case they just try to run you down is quite important though.

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