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Is it fair enough to slap a close pass driver's car?; Reaction to Government dismissing Mr Loophole petition; Relive Cav equalling Merckx's record; CyclingMikey goes international; Sunrise scenes; But cyclists; Route-planning app + more on the live blog

The shortest day has been and gone, summer starts here...Dan Alexander is the man behind the keyboard for Wednesday's live blog...

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22 December 2021, 15:58
Floyd Landis returns to cycling sponsoring new team focused on gravel and mountain bike events
Floyd Landis

Floyd Landis is back in pro cycling again, this time as the sponsor of a team focused on gravel and mountain bike events in the United States. Floyd's of Leadville Racing takes the name of Landis' CBD company and will initially start with five riders, including guest rides from the stripped 2006 Tour winner.

"Bicycle racing is where our core customers spend their energy and attention and we felt that being at the races would be an important step to further grow our brand," Landis said.

"Our aim with the programme is to create a family feeling, and develop a racing culture that emphasises the experiences and stories we will share together, more than racing results."

22 December 2021, 15:30
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22 December 2021, 14:11
We're going to need a bigger live blog...reaction floods in for our main story of the day — is it fair enough to hit a close pass driver's car?

Well, I wasn't expecting this strong a reaction. 65 replies on Twitter, 138 comments on Facebook, an Olympic gold medallist getting involved...I reckon we could dissect this for the rest of the week.

First up, 2016 Rio gold medallist Callum Skinner had this to say... 

Other honourable mentions...

Not everyone was in agreement though. Some pointed out the danger of not knowing how another road user might react to you hitting their car...

On Facebook, Jase Clarke seperated the question into two scenarios: first, if you hit the car during the close pass to let them know you're there. Second, the situation in the original video where the rider hits the vehicle when they catch up after the close pass..."In the first case, sometimes it’s a necessity to let them know you’re there, and that they’re too close. In the second one, it’s a no."

Chris disagreed with the idea that it's ever acceptable, "No, it's not ok, as it shows self-righteousness and pompous narcissism, shout and scream but don't touch anyone's property."

Onto the live blog comments now, Bart P thinks: "Is it fair? Yes. Does it feel rewarding? F*ck yes. Should you do it? Hell no. You simply don't known who is behind the wheel of the car and unfortunately there are some proper nutters out there."

Gsteve68 added: "All I can say with regards to hitting out at a close passing car is please don't. Rise above it, record and report it by all means but we all know that many drivers have an irrational dislike of cyclists and a feeling of entitled superiority in their cars.  Many drivers have a special bond with their car and and assault on it is an assault on them

"In a moment of madness their vehicle can become a weapon and 2000ish kg v 100ish kg is only every going to have one outcome whether you're in the right or not. There are too many cases where a driver has killed or seriously injured a cyclist with a punishment pass or brake test and I'm sure the driver's reaction in that moment was simply 'I'll teach that bloody cyclist a lesson' stupidly ignorant to the potential consequences."

Awavey agreed: "It might be an understandable reaction to slap a vehicle close passing like that, but it's a really bad idea imo. It absolutely does escalate the situation and puts you in far more danger, a cyclist will always come out the loser in a fight between a vehicle with an angry driver at the wheel, no matter how big, tough or macho you think you are. Save the satisfaction for reporting the driver instead, which as the original video poster highlighted, they instantly forfeited the right to."

And to Sriracha who rightly noted I claimed the longest day has just been and gone, no, I'm unfortunately not WFH Down Under...the dangers of writing at 8am...the shortest day has just passed...

22 December 2021, 12:24
Best new pro kit? Team SD Worx' colourful number worx wonders

It's a winner in our book... 

22 December 2021, 12:02
Get your tiny violins out...reaction to Government dismissing Mr Loophole petition

Writing about Mr Loophole in the CyclingMikey post earlier reminded me to remind you to check out yesterday's story confirming the Government has "no plans" to make cyclists wear identification numbers. To be honest, we knew this would be the case, but in the face of some loopy petitioning from Mr Loophole Nick Freeman, we thought you'd be quite pleased to read the response...

> Government confirms it has “no plans” to make cyclists wear identification numbers as it rejects ‘Mr Loophole’ petition

The lawyer famous for getting celebrities off driving charges scraped over the 10,000 signatures required to hear an official response, but didn't get the answer he wanted...here's some of your reaction...

Steve K commented: "The response we all knew was coming, because the government has said it before (and recently) - a petition that barely made the threshold was hardly going to change their minds. Freeman could have saved himself a lot of trouble by simply writing to the government and getting the same response. But at least he can't complain that he hasn't had a full, well-reasoned and well-argued response."

EddyBerckx said: "Considering the amount of national publicity and social media hate mobs the petition just scraping over the 10k mark is actually a pretty positive thing. He knew nothing would ever come of it. He just wanted free publicity."

22 December 2021, 11:30
CyclingMikey goes international: Dutch newspaper publishes full page feature

CyclingMikey's global superstar status is getting closer...

Guy Ritchie was the first big-name celeb caught using his phone behind the wheel by Mikey. Then, this summer, Chris Eubank, plead guilty in court and was given three penalty points and £280 in fines, court costs and fees after Mikey reported his video of the former world champion boxer using his phone and jumping a red light.

Most recently, former England and Chelsea footballer Frank Lampard was caught by Mikey, allegedly juggling coffee and a phone while at the wheel. Lampard will appear in court next month, represented by a certain Nick 'Mr Loophole' Freeman...

All three of these were picked up by national news outlets here in the UK, and it seems even newspapers overseas are interested in Mikey's story...

This is a full-page feature in de Volkskrant, a Dutch daily newspaper with a circulation of around 250,000.

22 December 2021, 10:08
Could this be your new route-planning app?
Huli app

There’s a new automatic cycling route creator app on the market that works across the UK and Ireland.

The Huli Cycling Routes app creates routes for road, off-road and city riding, and you can specify distance or time, hilly, flat…

It's designed to be super simple to use, meaning you can create routes in seconds, says its developers, which sounds similar to Strava’s suggested route update this year. 

Huli app

The app also includes navigation, weather, route descriptions, surface/road types, satellite maps and the startup says that next week it’ll also be introducing its Huli Goals feature.

With this, you’ll be able to specify a weekly distance target, how many rides you want to do, and the app will automatically create routes of varying length/duration every week for you to beat the target. 

It’s available on iOS and Android.

22 December 2021, 09:58
But cyclists...'God Bless America' edition
22 December 2021, 09:32
Behind the scenes of Cav's Merckx-equalling win, Champs-Élysées disappointment and Paris party

Three days 'til Christmas but Deceuninck-Quick-Step are giving out the presents already... what more could you want than part three of the team's behind the scenes series from the Tour de France? It's the big one too...Cav's 34th stage win, the battle to stay in the race through the Pyrenees, Champs-Élysées disappointment, green jersey celebrations and post-race reflection.

You know the drill by now, it's mainly just 22 minutes of watching Cav hugging his teammates and staff (with a very wholesome scene with a fan at nine minutes too). You'll also see a little bit too much of Kasper Asgreen during the final stage pre-race meeting... most importantly it'll scratch that pro racing itch for another few hours. Roll on the new year...

22 December 2021, 09:24
Sunrise scenes
22 December 2021, 08:55
Is it fair enough to slap a close pass driver's car?

We've all been here: driver just has to get in front, overtakes just as the car ahead brakes to stop in traffic, overtaking car gets ten metres up the road before having to brake, you sail up the inside giving your best 'well that got you far didn't it mate' face.

That's what I do. Sometimes if I'm in a particularly bad mood they might get the exasperated hand off the bars and shake of the head, maybe even a cheery wave, but I can't say I've ever thought to do this...

Is it fair enough to give a close pass driver's car a slap on the way past? Righttobikeit said they'd normally just report the driver, but in this case couldn't resist more direct action.

In the Twitter echo chamber, the replies were unanimous in saying 'fair enough'...

But what do we reckon? Should you rise above it or is it a fair response to someone putting your life in danger? 

Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.

Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.

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makadu replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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I think it depends on the circumstances - I would and have done this (slapped/banged on roof/window) when a car is alongside me and dangerously close in order to alert the driver to how close they are, but in this video the mirror slap is done after the event as punishment.

I have also had call to fold the mirrors in on two approaching vehicles as a pedestrian on country lanes, the 1.5m applies to pedestrians as well as cyclists.

Funnily enough the only two drivers to stop and get out angry were one as cyclist and one as pedestrian when I banged on their windows as they went very close past me. No damage and not even a folded mirror! Maybe drivers are more used to dinging their mirrors against things and are less precious about them, probably confused about whether they are door or wing mirrors.

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wycombewheeler replied to makadu | 2 years ago
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makadu wrote:

I think it depends on the circumstances - I would and have done this (slapped/banged on roof/window) when a car is alongside me and dangerously close in order to alert the driver to how close they are, but in this video the mirror slap is done after the event as punishment.

I have also had call to fold the mirrors in on two approaching vehicles as a pedestrian on country lanes, the 1.5m applies to pedestrians as well as cyclists.

Funnily enough the only two drivers to stop and get out angry were one as cyclist and one as pedestrian when I banged on their windows as they went very close past me. No damage and not even a folded mirror! Maybe drivers are more used to dinging their mirrors against things and are less precious about them, probably confused about whether they are door or wing mirrors.

Working out whether to complain about door or wing mirror is like counting to 10

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Hirsute replied to hawkinspeter | 2 years ago
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Last time I did it, they had deliberately boxed me in with a view to forcing me to hit a parked car or stop.

After the event is only going to escalate things, probably out of control.

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brooksby replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Was that one of those occasions where they think you're going to ride over the top of the parked cars instead of moving out and round them?

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Hirsute replied to brooksby | 2 years ago
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It's downhill, on a narrowish bit of road due to all the parked cars either side. I ride well out to avoid the door zone and discourage an over take (as visibility is limited due to the parked cars).

 They choose to pull along side which could only be as a form of punishment for not being left enough.

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giff77 replied to Hirsute | 2 years ago
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Part of my commute has a stretch of road which is badly torn up and patched with tarmac. It's pretty awful and I wouldn't even drive my car on the same surface. It necessitates being pretty much right across to the white line. Well the other day I took my normal line to deal with the illegally parked vehicles and then the crap surface to end up with a taxi driver  undertake me in his desperation to get past and beat me to the red lights up ahead. 

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MTB Refugee | 2 years ago
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Short answer: Yes

I've done this several times in the past, including as a pedestrian while on a pedestrian crossing. The driver ignored the crossing and was so close to me she almost ran over my feet so I slapped the roof of the car as she passed. I'm pretty sure that she thought she had hit me as she made an emergency stop and was looking in the mirrors. I followed the car into the car park and asked the driver if she was aware of the rules regarding pedestrian crossings and running people over in general... I didn't get a response that could be printed, so I wished her a happy life and got on with mine.

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EddyBerckx | 2 years ago
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I'd say no to the car slap thing. As understandable as it is when someone has almost killed you for zero reason it's only gonna potentially escalate things out of control. At least have an escape route if they turn around to murder you...

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Secret_squirrel replied to EddyBerckx | 2 years ago
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This.  The chances of it escalating and me getting assaulted driver or by car are just too high to risk it.

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wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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I lot of drivers react very angrily if you touch their car, so while clearly if there is no damage there is no legal issue. It's unlikely to make your journey safer.

And if you do knock a mirror off you would be liable for the repair cost, which is surprisingly high with body colour mirrors.

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Sriracha replied to wycombewheeler | 2 years ago
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wycombewheeler wrote:

I lot of drivers react very angrily if you touch their car, so while clearly if there is no damage there is no legal issue. It's unlikely to make your journey safer.

Like this?
https://youtu.be/kFSCFYF5aPM

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AlsoSomniloquism replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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South Africa advert apparently. Of course the fact the bike is keeping level with the car in traffic is not the thing to take from the advert no sirree bob.

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