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Cyclists ‘a real worry’ says North Yorkshire Police and Crime Commissioner – before conceding they aren't actually doing anything wrong

“We haven’t seen any large groups of cyclists. What we have seen is just a lot of cyclists”

Speaking about concerns that people will flout lockdown guidance during the Easter weekend, North Yorkshire’s Police and Crime Commissioner has said that cyclists in particular are ‘a real worry.’ Julia Mulligan went on to clarify that cyclists in the area hadn’t been doing anything wrong and it was just that simply by riding through villages, they had been “causing a bit of tension.”

Speaking on BBC Breakfast, Mulligan said that for the most part people in North Yorkshire had been following the government guidelines.

She then said: “One of the real worries, I think, is cyclists. We’ve seen large numbers of cyclists – some of them travelling long distances; long routes.

“Local communities are getting a bit anxious about that, so I would just ask those cyclists to be mindful that they are going through people’s villages and communities and to think about their behaviour, because that is causing a bit of tension.”

Asked to clarify what exactly cyclists were doing wrong, Mulligan said: “People are not gathering in groups to go cycling, so we haven’t seen any large groups of cyclists. What we have seen is just a lot of cyclists.

“They are allowed to cycle. There isn’t an issue with that. They fall within the guidelines. I’m just asking those cyclists to be mindful that they are going through communities and that is making people a little bit anxious.”

Criticism was led by Greater Manchester cycling commissioner, Chris Boardman, who described Mulligan’s comments as “deeply disappointing.”

Responding to criticism, Mulligan tweeted: “I fully expect a backlash, but the concerns from villages are real, so it’s just to flag that if you are going through a community, please be aware.”

Whether or not the concerns are real is surely not up for debate. The issue is whether or not those concerns are legitimate and proportional and whether Mulligan’s comments about cyclists being ‘a real worry’ merely reinforce and amplify them.

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eburtthebike replied to ktache | 4 years ago
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ktache wrote:

Slightly off topic, but it was the invention of the railway, it's spread across the country and then the adoption of the bicycle that led to female freedom that lessened the rates of inbreeding within villages that generally stopped the "village idiots"

You're clearly wrong; they  haven't stopped.

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HoarseMann replied to eburtthebike | 4 years ago
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I briefly joined our village facebook group. I can assure you, there is not a shortage of idiots.

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OnTheRopes replied to HoarseMann | 4 years ago
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Our village (I'm sure it has it's idiot(s)) facebook page is actually quite free of idiots. The vilage hosts 2 cycle races each year and I have seen no anti cycling rhetoric whatsoever.

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HoarseMann replied to OnTheRopes | 4 years ago
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sounds like I need to relocate

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the little onion replied to ktache | 4 years ago
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There’s a great scientific study of that that I’ve seen, tracking via surnames and genetic markers

 

there’s also a good argument about the links between suffragettes and bikes - because bikes allowed many more women to travel greater distances alone, broadening their social circles 

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caw35ride | 4 years ago
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Predictably, the first of her comments has just been quoted on the 14:00 news on BBC Radio London.

Clear message: let's get those awful cyclists indoors! 

 

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mdavidford | 4 years ago
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Presumably we should all be wearing jerseys with 'Don't worry - be happy' on them, to put the villagers at ease.

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FluffyKittenofT... | 4 years ago
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Also, it seems a mistake to give the same person responsibility for the police and for crime...surely there's a conflict of interest there? If you are commissioning crimes, you shouldn't also be in charge of the police. They clearly didn't think that through.

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Karl219 replied to FluffyKittenofTindalos | 4 years ago
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But it's much more efficient this way. It cuts out the legal middlemen. 

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FluffyKittenofT... | 4 years ago
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Police and Crime Commissioners are completely pointless, invented by the Tories, like most crap innovations. And like most crap innovations the idea came from the US, where every petty local official is elected, which just seems to lead to more opportunities for petty-minded gammony stupidity. They get elected on tiny turnouts, and most of them seem to be morons.

That said, I've given up cycling for the duration. Even going for a walk is a PITA, with the struggle to keep a distance from everyone. Cylists, like joggers, probably do breath out a bit more forcefully, hence the distancing will be even more tricky.

Nothing is going to be remotely normal for quite a while. It's amazing the sheer number of existing tensions and issues that this disaster intensifies, though.

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Eton Rifle | 4 years ago
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I've never seen the point of these "commissioners". They are invariably dim little Hitlers with zero knowledge of either the law or policing. They seem to add nothing other than act as a sounding board for miserable Gammons.
This dimwit couldn't even be arsed to look up the widely published guidelines

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Rik Mayals unde... replied to Eton Rifle | 4 years ago
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Lancashire police crime commissioner Clive Grunshaw was a milkman before. Enough said. 

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Mungecrundle | 4 years ago
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The authorities need to crack down hard on this kind of misinformation and scaremongering. Not reinforce it.

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jasecd replied to Mungecrundle | 4 years ago
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You're forgetting that our governmnent got elected on misinformation and scaremongering. 

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OnTheRopes replied to jasecd | 4 years ago
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This government, despite being constantly pressed to state a limit for exercise has constantly refused to do so allowing us the freedom to exercise.

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alchemilla | 4 years ago
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A similar worrying quote yesterday, which was repeated on the BBC news, was from the chief nursing officer who said she'd seen "hoards of cyclists" coming towards her over Westminster Bridge. Probably trafficlights and the narrow road width caused that. Apparently London has declined to follow the lead of some other capital cities world-wide who have coned off traffic lanes to increase road space for cyclists.

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mdavidford replied to alchemilla | 4 years ago
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Who is hoarding cyclists? I think they have the wrong idea about 'lockdown'... 

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Organon replied to mdavidford | 4 years ago
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presumably the same person that is cladding things in lycra it's not a great building material

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I love my bike replied to alchemilla | 4 years ago
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I think it highlights that the Cycle Supercrapways were always very narrow. Now with C-19 & physical distancing this has been brought to the fore.

London Cycling Design Standards 2016 - On-carriageway segregated cycle lane/track widths reccomended minima:

one-way
very low / low flow 1.5 metres
medium flow 2.2 metres
high / very high flow 2.5 metres +

two-way
very low / low flow 2.0 metres
medium flow 3.0 metres
high / very high flow 4.0 metres +

Good luck anybody overtaking now; almost always single file only!

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Sriracha | 4 years ago
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Her commentary is the very definition of ugly ignorant prejudice. It's the kind of attitude one might have expected towards immigrants back in the 50s - they're causing tension because they were going through people’s villages and communities and to think about their behaviour (i.e.the fact of being there).
The police should expose and robustly challenge prejudicial views, not echo them and give justification.

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Shades | 4 years ago
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Been out on the bike every day for the last 2 weeks; never seen more than a pair (usually a couple) of cyclists, or a family.  Never see another human cycling through villages.  What about the epidemic of speeding motorists during lockdown; reckon they're more of a risk to the villagers?

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Hirsute replied to Shades | 4 years ago
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Indeed according to this news item

https://road.cc/content/news/uks-first-council-announces-emergency-traff...

There are also concerns over increased levels of speeding during the crisis. Cllr Burke says on 30mph roads across London, average speeds are now 37mph.

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Rik Mayals unde... replied to Shades | 4 years ago
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I live on a main A road. Apart from it being much quieter in the evenings, the daytime traffic is pretty much normal. So much for essential traffic. Some people don't understand the seriousness of this. Loads of traffic, are they really doing essential travelling in their Ferraris and on their motorcycles? loads of people out walking, never seen them before, loads of cyclists too, but they are socially distancing. The only couples I've seen go by appear to be couples.

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OldRidgeback | 4 years ago
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It's a pity people in villages feel threatened by seeing riders passing through on two wheels. 

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caw35ride replied to OldRidgeback | 4 years ago
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They probably don't. 

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OnTheRopes replied to OldRidgeback | 4 years ago
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I did get shouted at by a 'villager' to stay near home only yesterday. Whilst I was tempted to stop and discuss the facts and the government guidelines with him and perhaps explain that I was from a neighbouring village, I opted for the easier two syllable profanity instead based on the "No point trying to educate the stupid" theory.

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crazy-legs | 4 years ago
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Are they also worried (in normal circumstances) of the thousands of cars and drivers turning up in their village?

I made the mistake of going through Malham one sunny warm weekend day (a few years ago, not during lockdown!) and it was like Piccadilly Circus. Thousands of cars parked all over the field, the tiny lane towards it stop-start with two-way traffic trying to squeeze past each other. It was horrendous and dangerous.

Yet seemingly no concerns about the air pollution, the danger to kids or vulnerable road users, the congestion...?

A few dozen cyclists ride (individually) through a village and suddenly the residents lose their collective tiny minds...

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ooldbaker | 4 years ago
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I am a regular cyclist and I live in a quiet village. I think it is a very positive thing to see as many people on bikes as I am seeing right now. I do not detect any hostillity at all and as well as cyclists I am seeing more family groups out walking together and there is universally more friendship shown to other exercisers.

As long as cyclists start and finish their trips from theur homes the countryside is just where they should cycle rather than in large towns and cities where due to traffic lights they have to congregate at junctions. It would be the right time for the police to be lobbying for universal urban speed limits and turning off of traffic lights where possible or giving priority to cyclists and walkers even if it meant that cars would be slowed almost to a standstill.

Is there an element of not having their usual occupations of alcohol related anti-social behaviour and other crimes to worry about so they are looking for trouble where there isn't any.

I have heard two police leaders saying they are ready to search shopping baskets for unessential items. If necessary, and it isn't, the shops could police this themselves far more effectively.

It is disturbing when a police officer states that cycling is "a real worry" it really isn't.

 

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Hirsute replied to ooldbaker | 4 years ago
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"It is disturbing when a police officer states that cycling is "a real worry" it really isn't."

Actually they are North Yorkshire’s Police and Crime Commissioner !!

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Richard D replied to Hirsute | 4 years ago
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hirsute wrote:

"It is disturbing when a police officer states that cycling is "a real worry" it really isn't."

Actually they are North Yorkshire’s Police and Crime Commissioner !!

Which means that they are often some sort of mediocre - or failed - politician. They need absolutely no experience of policing (just as well; most have none at all), but do need to get elected.  Which means receiving the patronage of the main party in the area for which they want to be elected.  Which normally means having been an MP, or at least a councillor, for that party.

Does anyone know if this particular PCC was an MP or a councillor? Neither of which do I hold in particularly high regard, but often councillors are some of the more vocal but narrow-minded people out there.  Gran would have said "empty vessels make most noise" - which is what this particular PCC is making.

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