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statue-justice-old-bailey-licensed-cc-2.0-flickr-ronnie-macdonaldSuspended sentence for careless driver who killed two cyclists
A driver who crashed into two cyclists, killing both, has walked away with a two-year suspended sentence having pleaded guilty to two counts of causing death by careless driving. Clifford Rennie, 61, hit Andy Coles and Damien Natale as they rode along the A40 between Studley Green and Piddington.
Both riders died at the scene of the high-speed collision. Mr Coles was thrown over a crash barrier and down a hill, his heavily-damaged bicycle found in a tree, while Mr Natale was hit into the other carriageway and found 58 metres from the point of impact.
A police crash investigator concluded that although the evening was sunny, and overhanging trees had created patches of shade on the road, Rennie should have seen the cyclists.
A witness driving another vehicle saw the company director's car swerve and hit the victims at the crest of the hill. He reported seeing Rennie holding his head in his hands after the incident, saying "there's two of them".
After an extended police investigation the driver was charged in July this year with causing their deaths, 13 months after the incident. Rennie pleaded guilty to both charges at High Wycombe Magistrates' Court last month and yesterday was handed his sentence.
> Driver admits killing two cyclists in A40 crash through careless driving
Rennie answered no comment to questions in police interviews and provided a prepared statement in his second interview, in which he offered "heartfelt sympathy" to the families of the cyclists, and said as a cyclist himself, he could not explain why he had not seen the two men.
He was sentenced to two years in prison, suspended for two years, disqualified from driving for five years and ordered to pay £475 in costs. Rennie will need to take an extended re-test at the end of the five years.
Tracey Natale, the wife of Mr Natale, said she felt like she was serving a life sentence, while Mr Coles' partner Helen Atherton said in her victim personal statement that the incident was "beyond tragedy, beyond awful, beyond anything I can imagine."
Mr Natale's son Brady said: "You took our family’s stability, you took a loving husband, you took a dedicated father, you took a caring son, you took any excited grandfather."
Judge Michael Gledhill QC told the victims' families: "No words of mine are going to bring these men back. Nobody could be anything but deeply moved at hearing the impact and the effect of their loved ones’ deaths. The consequences for them, their families and friends of the deceased is truly appalling.
"Some or all of the people I have just heard from feel their lives have been destroyed. But I hope that these proceedings, now that they are about to come to an end will bring some degree of closure.
"If I could make it better for everybody concerned I would. I regret to say I can’t. I can only express my deep condolences and sympathy for each and every one of you."
Senior Investigating Officer Sergeant Darren Brown of the Serious Collision Investigation Unit said: "This was an absolute tragedy that needn’t have happened. Due to the manner of Mr Rennie’s driving on that early summer’s afternoon last year, two men, who were simply out for a cycle ride, did not return home to their loved ones.
"We were able to prove that the careless nature of Mr Rennie’s driving was the causative factor in the deaths of Andy and Damien, and given the evidence put to him, Mr Rennie pleaded guilty to both offences. This, at least, spared the family and friends of Andy and Damien the further ordeal of a trial.
"Whatever the reason for Mr Rennie’s careless driving that evening, it is abundantly clear that neither Andy nor Damien contributed in any way to this incident.
"This tragic case underlines the fact that motorists need to be fully aware of their surroundings and be aware of other, more vulnerable road users, especially when driving within national speed limits.
“I know that no sentence would have served as any solace to Andy and Damien’s family and friends, but I would like to pay tribute to them all. They have showed tremendous resolve and patience while this case was being investigated, and on behalf of Thames Valley Police, I would like to extend my condolences to everyone affected by this tragedy."
Dan is the road.cc news editor and joined in 2020 having previously written about nearly every other sport under the sun for the Express, and the weird and wonderful world of non-league football for The Non-League Paper. Dan has been at road.cc for four years and mainly writes news and tech articles as well as the occasional feature. He has hopefully kept you entertained on the live blog too.
Never fast enough to take things on the bike too seriously, when he's not working you'll find him exploring the south of England by two wheels at a leisurely weekend pace, or enjoying his favourite Scottish roads when visiting family. Sometimes he'll even load up the bags and ride up the whole way, he's a bit strange like that.
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- hawkinspeter 3 sec ago
Interesting theory - how many points does it take for them to drive carefully?
- eburtthebike 23 min 12 sec ago
At the end of the consultation in May 2025, a decision will be taken.........
- Grahamd 47 min 21 sec ago
The absurdity of it deepens when you realise that those points were acquired by the age of 26.
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BAM!
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Oxfordshire councils are quite capable of letting you down too!...
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'each spoke' (single) and 'leaf spring' (made of many leaves) seems contradictory.
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I guess Morrissey could claim it.
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Stuff like this seems more relevant than ever after the Trump victory. sorry not a funny
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Er... thanks?
I was replying to your post which you've now deleted.
Oh, OK - to be honest, I can't remember exactly what I wrote. It was a lame attempt at a joke that made sense to me as I was writing it, but not so much a few minutes later when I read it back - hence why I zapped it. I wasn't actually asking for a definition.
I don't disagree with any of what you have written but I was responding to somebody implying losing your licence is no real disruption to someone's life. It most certainly is a punishment. It may not have been an appropriate punishment, in this case the sentencing seems mild. However the fact remains for many losing their licence ruins their lives.
Since we no longer do an eye for an eye justice there will never be a sense of justice having fully prevailed for many people. Justice has always been subjective at times it has been so severe it was probably more punishment than the crime warranted. Currently many people would say that the punishments are largely less punitive than the crimes warrant. Again the impact of a crime on a family varies some cope better than others. The impact of the punishment likewise has different effects on families and individuals. If I killed somebody however I did it I am sure my remorse would weigh heavier than any punishment.
I didn't imply it was no real disruption. I implied that it wasn't the most disruptive thing that could happen to somebody - that it's so disruptive as to make life untenable, or be some sort of cruel and unusual punishment, which is the impression that's so often given by 'hardship' pleas, and seems to be accepted by a large proportion of the public.
Of course a ban restricts your license to carry out certain activities using a motor vehicle. But it's a restriction that people can adapt to, and shouldn't be seen as a punishment - rather it's a consequence of your not being responsible enough to be in charge of a vehicle, just the same as if you'd never managed to pass your test in the first place.
"Punishment" / "ruins lives" - you express a very common viewpoint. And it's one that needs to change if we're to mitigate the many negatives of our current driving culture. Consider - Bob wants to get a speedboat and use it on a particular stretch of water. He doesn't have to get a boat - indeed it involves an investment of his time and money. He does this because he derives some benefits from this activity.
On this particular stretch of water he needs a licence to operate his boat. (There is no general requirement in all UK waters but there are in specific places). The requirements are that you have taken a course showing you can properly and safely operate the boat. Reasonable, right?
Bob's then seen speeding through the marina splashing people and collides with a kayaker. Bob's licence is withdrawn, because he has shown he cannot competently and safely operate his craft. Seems pretty simple and logical - he was granted the ability to do something under certain conditions, and he didn't keep to them.
Is this a cruel punishment? Maybe he used the boat to get across the river to visit his mum? Now he'll need to drive, or get a taxi - maybe it will take him over an hour? Maybe it will put a dent in his social life now he can't take people out at the weekend? Maybe he's starting to look less attractive to his girlfriend? Maybe he had started operating a boat-trip business? Won't you think of his children?
Frankly I have no interest in "but it will cause me hardship". There are alternatives. Maybe not so attractive - so what? If you managed to get a car you have some resources - you'll just have to spend them differently. It's not a war on the motorist - there is ample evidence that we are under-enforcing and penalising dangerous and indeed illegal driving. It's really quite hard to lose your licence. I fail to see why anyone's selfishness / human fallibility in a motor vehicle trumps everyone else's rights to safe passage in a public space. Or why we need to subsidise drivers damaging the infrastructure and clogging up the NHS.
For who? So that's the way you're made, that's judged a good thing in most places. However though our system takes remorse into account in sentencing it doesn't generally have the approach of "you said you're sorry, so let that be the end of the matter". With reason. As evidenced from your "punishment / ruin life" comments, we're not rational beings, we're human beings and we tend to see this as "no punishment" and get angry...
There are several aspects to sentancing
1) rehabilitation - now it may be that someone with sufficient remorse will amend their future behaviour and achieve this desired outcome.
2) punishment - again it's possible that someones own consience will punish them more than 12 months in prison.
3) deterance - there is an element in sentancing that is there to act as a deterant against unacceptable behaviours. I would like to see the data but I suspect suspended sentances are far more common for motoring offences than for any other crimes, despite the fact the the consequences of dangerous driving on those affected can be so much greater than most other crimes that are likely to affect them. As such there is very little deterant, people don't consider road crime as real crime and the justice system reinforces this all the time. Is it any surprise then that people are relaxed about breaking these laws?
4) protection - in the wort cases criminal that will not stop are at least prevented from reoffending while they are inside.
Should sentancing be about vengeance? making the victim or relatives of the victim feel someone has been adequately punished?
My point was that - remorse or not - if someone has shown themselves not capable of safely performing a voluntary activity in a public space * which they require a licence for then there should be no qualms about de-licencing them. "Hardship" being irrelevant, it's just like e.g. restricting people discharging firearms - the potential seriousness of the consequences to everyone else outweigh the benefit to that one person / their friends / family. The potential danger being why we licence in the first place - and incidentally one reason why we don't require bicycle or jogging licences.
The amount of time they're barred and what if anything they need to do to get re-licenced is then something that things like remorse could possibly have a bearing on. It should never be zero however. I think this would work better as a "top-up" e.g. if the person continues to say "I'll kill them once I get back in my car" that should suggest we lengthen the ban, rather than "I got my lawyer to (likely write and) read out some statement saying sorry therefore I get the ban reduced by half".
On to your points. Certainly 4 can be required but we almost never impose "for ever" punishments in the UK. So I'm therefore all for 1 on pragmatic grounds, given this person will be at large / able to do what they did before. Our problem is that our systems don't seem to have that as the primary goal or at least aren't doing this effectively. 3 is part of what "keeps honest people honest" but for certain types of offense or certain individuals it may have much less effect. It also depends on there being a reasonable chance of being convicted - and the punishment actually being a sufficient deterrent!
2 now - this is really where we get into cultural terrain and human psychology. "Desert" and justice / fairness - that's really one for the tea room.
* I don't think losing your licence even stops you driving - can you not do this on private land anyway (e.g. same as you don't require a licence to do so in the first place)?
Indeed, might as well let people appeal against failing their drving test, arguing hardship.
True of any conviction and sentence.
The bloke should be under some sort of house arrest or tagging - say 6-6.
“You do not have to say anything. But, it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.”
Any self respecting lawyer would advise you to keep schtum. There's nothing you can say to the police immediately that you can't say a few hours later with a solicitor there to advise you.
So did "not mentioning when questioned" harm his defence, or was there nothing in the police line of questioning that he later relied upon?
considering he pleaded guilty, not really an issue, it is for the lawyer to introduce mitigation to convince the magistrates that killing someone by driving recklessly does not warrant a prison sentance.
That clause in the caution is essentially to prevent introducing an alibi at trial, after making no mneiton of it during questioning. So as to prevent the charged finding someone prepared to say they were elsewhere.
It wasn't upon arrest, it was throughout. He's refused to answer any questions whatsoever, and only issued a professionally-prepared statement. Coward.
Didn't even try for a momentary lapse...
Is there any activity other than driving you can perform where your actions being below the necessary standard are solely to blame for the death of two people and it is not considered worthy of actual time served without any demonstrable mitigation, especially when it is known that sub-standard performance can result in death and serious injury - it is entirely foreseeable?
However, from experience, I always accept the "I just didn't see them" excuse because the brain is a fickle instrument and if you don't use it, it has a habit of letting you down. If you do not consciously look for obstructions in the road, your eyes will tend to show you what you think should be there rather than what is. What is wrong is that the courts seem to think that it is acceptable to drive in such a manner.
Absolutely, driving (like other things) has become a series of assumptions and predictions. I've been in a couple accidents in my car and both times it was "I thought you were turning" and "I thought that lane went straight on" - irrespective of indicators and road markings being clear indicators to the contrary; people now just drive and don't focus on what is actually around them.
I live near a road where its a 50, reducing to a 30, and its astounding how many people drive the whole stretch at 40. There's 8 signs in the space of 1.4km that tell you the speed, and they miss all of them - because they're not looking, they're not taking in information, they're predetermined how they're going to drive that road (and since there's a Tesco at one end of it, likely thinking more about their shopping list)...
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