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Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset

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£1,469.00

VERDICT:

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10
No compromise, stiff and lightweight wheels that are a joy to ride
Light
Stiff
Carbon spokes can be maintained and replaced
No tubeless valves included
Weight: 
1,320g

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The Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset is a mid-depth, lightweight, rim brake wheelset designed to go fast. The carbon spokes result in excellent stiffness and unlike some are replaceable in the event of a crash. The 36mm depth is perfectly usable even on windy days and makes the wheelset ideal for rolling road races. The wheelset is also available with steel bearings instead of these rather special CeramicSpeed ones, for a significant saving.

Pulling the wheels out the box, it's immediately noticeable just how light this wheelset is. On the road.cc Scales of Truth they came in at 1,320g which, considering we weighed them with the Hunt tubeless tape installed, seems consistent with Hunt's claim of 1,295g. For a 36mm wheelset that's extremely competitive, and although not the be all and end all, certainly helps them feel lively on the climbs.

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The set on test have CeramicSpeed bearings, which bumps the price up by £320. If you're not racing, this could be a good area to save money – I've got on with Hunt's standard EZO steel bearings just fine, and really, the differences are marginal. If you are after the maximum possible performance, though, wow, these bearings appear to bend physics – they spin effortlessly right out of the box, are buttery smooth and, left untouched, seem to accelerate rather than slow down.

After a month of testing, I've managed to accumulate around 1,200km on the wheels, so any meaningful idea of how durable the bearings are is hard to ascertain, but they do feel box fresh even after being used in some pretty grim conditions.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - front hub 2.jpg

Alongside the wheels themselves, with tubeless tape installed, you get a set of skewers and carbon brake pads in the box.

The skewers are light, made of decent materials such as brass cams and stainless steel springs, and they look pretty smart. My only gripe is that Hunt has chosen to include these in the box rather than a set of tubeless valves. Maybe it's just me who has lots of skewers lying around and a distinct lack of spare tubeless valves, but it would be a nice touch for Hunt to include a set of valves that are known to be the right length and have good compatibility with the rim. Many tubeless wheelsets, such as the Scribe Race-D, include them as part of the package – even at lower price points.

Of course, if you ask Hunt to supply and fit tyres then this will not be an issue, and you'll also get sealant included in the price, so it's worth considering. A further benefit of getting your tyres fitted is that you can avoid the potential hassle that arises from incorrectly installed rim tape, like on this set.

I opted to fit a set of 28mm Hutchinson Fusion 5 tyres. Starting with the rear, I popped the tyre onto the rim with relative ease, added sealant and inflated and seated the tyre with a track pump.

Hunt calls its rim bed design 'H-Lock', and from my experience I can vouch for the profile sealing and seating well, even on first installation.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - rim bed.jpg

Moving on to the front wheel and I noticed that the tape had a few air bubbles under it; this isn't uncommon and sometimes the air pressure from the first inflation can be enough to stick it down properly, so I set about fitting the tyre. Unfortunately, the tyre wasn't holding air, instead it was whistling out of the rim's water drainage hole near the spokes, showing that air was most definitely the wrong side of the tape.

After removing the tyre and closely inspecting the wheel it was clear to see why: the tape in places was up the side of the rim and had come unstuck in others. That's disappointing on a wheelset of any price, and the only option was retaping the rim.

With the wheel retaped, the tyre once again seated quickly and easily with no further issues.

Wide but not too wide

Measuring 26mm externally and 19mm internally, the rim width is positively modern, if not as crazy wide as some of the newest disc brake wheels. This means the wheels should fit some slightly older frames with more limited clearance while pairing nicely with on-trend wider tyres. The 28mm tyres I used measured up exactly 28mm on the Hunts, with a nice profile, not 'ballooning' like they can on narrow rims.

As their name suggests, the 36 UDs are 36mm in depth, offering some aerodynamic advantage over classic box section rims while keeping weight to a minimum. A further positive is that rims of this depth can be used on windy days without the same fear of ending up in the gutter you can get with deeper designs; I've been out and about on some 'blustery' days and they handle well.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - rim detail 2.jpg

One area that sets the 36 UDs apart from much of the competition is the use of carbon spokes. Many manufacturers bond the spokes to either the rim or hub, making servicing the wheels extremely difficult, and can result in astronomical repair bills even in fairly minor crashes. Hunt has overcome this by using what it calls 'Taperlock' technology, which in simple terms means the carbon spokes have metal ends, or 'mandrils', mechanically attached during the curing process. It means they can be trued and replaced in the conventional manner, and that's a very good thing.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - spoke niple.jpg

You might, however, notice that the carbon spokes do not appear in the replacements or spare parts section of Hunt's website. Hunt would rather sort out any problems itself, with workshop technicians trained in this area. The wheels are covered by Hunt's H_Care, whereby the first owner can benefit from free crash replacement, which could be particularly beneficial to racers and the accident-prone.

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The main benefit of using carbon spokes is lateral stiffness, the annoying side-to-side movement of a wheel that makes it rub on your brake pads. Hunt claims that the use of carbon in this area has resulted in a 30.16% improvement when compared to its 36 Carbon Wide Aero wheels, which aren't exactly floppy AND have more spokes to boot.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - valve hole.jpg

On the road and it's apparent that this isn't just marketing talk. I've set up my brakes within millimetres of the rim to try to make them rub, but even the hardest out-of-the-saddle sprints I can muster result in no discernible flexing. This could be the stiffest wheelset I've used, which makes the 1,295g weight even more impressive. Often, an issue with particularly stiff wheels is discomfort on bumpy roads, but the Hunts do not feel unduly harsh, especially when paired with 28mm tubeless tyres.

Carbon braking surfaces have come a long way over the last decade, and here the braking is consistent without any surprise 'snatching', although as with all carbon wheelsets it does take a rotation or two to clear off water when conditions are wet.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - rim detail.jpg

The 16 radially laced spokes at the front and 21 spokes at the rear laced two-cross on the drive side and radially on the non-drive side are paired to Hunt's aluminium alloy hubs.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - front hub 1.jpg

The rear features engagement every 7.5 degrees which is positively snappy and great for twisty races with slow speed corners, where acceleration feels instantaneous. To save weight the freehub body is also aluminium but I was glad to see a steel spline insert to prevent the harder cassette from chewing it up.

2021 Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset - rear hub.jpg

Value

At £1,469 the 36 UDs are by no means cheap, but they do make carbon-spoked wheelsets not only more attainable but also usable.

Perhaps the closest competition comes from Giant-owned Cadex with its 42 Tubeless wheels. Like the Hunts, these feature carbon spokes which can be trued and replaced, but are significantly more expensive at £2,500 for the pair.

Opting for steel bearings rather than CeramicSpeed will reduce the price of the 36 UDs to £1,149, bringing them closer to wheelsets such as the Vision SC 40 (£969.90) or Hunt's own 36 Carbon Wides (£799). For the extra £350ish (without CeramicSpeed bearings), the 36 UDs' carbon spokes result in next level stiffness, but perhaps more importantly for racers, come with Hunt's H_Care for full crash replacement, giving peace of mind whether thrashing round a crit circuit or dancing up climbs.

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Overall, the 36 UDs feel like they're part of a new generation of rim brake wheels optimised for wider tyres, with tubeless compatibility, a discernible increase in stiffness while remaining incredibly lightweight and avoiding many of the negatives associated with carbon spokes.

The price seems fair for a wheelset of this calibre, though I'd have to have a long, hard think about forking out the extra £320 for CeramicSpeed bearings, good as they are. Personally, I'd love to see a set of tubeless valves thrown in, considering the price, and a rim tape quality control check added. Despite this they're a joy to ride, especially when faced with hilly terrain.

Please note: these are only available to order, with delivery in September for the steel bearings option, December for the CeramicSpeed.

Verdict

No compromise, stiff and lightweight wheels that are a joy to ride

road.cc test report

Make and model: Hunt 36 UD Carbon Spoke Wheelset

Size tested: 36 deep, 26 wide

Tell us what the wheel is for and who it's aimed at. What do the manufacturers say about it? How does that compare to your own feelings about it?

Hunt says: "With up to a 30.16% reduction in lateral flex over equivalent steel spoked wheelsets, the 36 UD Carbon Spoke wheels have been engineered to provide you a significant increase in stiffness as well an impressively low sub 1300g weight." This makes them great for climbers and road racers looking to get the edge over their competition. The wheelset is very quick, light and climbs like a goat, and help to reduce the negatives usually associated with carbon spokes, making them not only more attainable but also usable.

Tell us some more about the technical aspects of the wheel?

From Hunt:

1295g

36 mm deep

19mm internal diameter

26mm external diameter

Front: 16 spokes laced radially - aero profile

Rear: 21 spokes laced 2 cross drive-side and radially non-drive side

109kg weight limit

H_Care included

Skewers, brake blocks and rim tape included

7.5 degree engagement hub

30.16% laterally stiffer than equivalent steel spoked wheel

Rate the wheel for quality of construction:
 
9/10
Rate the wheel for performance:
 
10/10

Sooooo good! Stiffness is amazing, most likely the stiffest wheelset I've used, including from the likes of ENVE, Zipp, Roval and others. The 7.5 degree freehub engagement only adds to the engagement and sense of instantaneous acceleration.

Rate the wheel for durability:
 
8/10

The steel spline insert should prevent premature freehub wear, the carbon spokes can be replaced, and the wheelset also has Hunt's crash replacement included. The only negative is that for a spoke replacement they would have to go back to Hunt, potentially increasing wheel down time over conventional steel spokes.

Rate the wheel for weight
 
9/10
Rate the wheel for value:
 
5/10

Did the wheels stay true? Any issues with spoke tension?

No issues, still true.

How easy did you find it to fit tyres?

Once the rim tape was replaced, tyres went on easily and seated first time with just a track pump, so very good.

How did the wheel extras (eg skewers and rim tape) perform?

Skewers are high quality, but the tape didn't seem sticky enough and was fitted poorly. I would also like to see tubeless valves included. Brake blocks included and performed well.

Tell us how the wheel performed overall when used for its designed purpose

Very well, an all-round brilliant set of wheels that are great for all sorts of racing. I've found them to be at home on rolling road races and good enough on the flats to use for criteriums as well.

Tell us what you particularly liked about the wheel

The light weight and stiffness on the climbs is phenomenal.

Tell us what you particularly disliked about the wheel

Having to retape a wheel to use it tubeless.

How does the price compare to that of similar products in the market, including ones recently tested on road.cc?

We haven't tested a whole heap of rim brake wheels recently, and especially not ones with carbon spokes. Compared to similar products on the market as stated in the review, these are probably closest to the Cadex 42, which are about £1,000 more expensive.

Did you enjoy using the wheel? Yes

Would you consider buying the wheel? Yes

Would you recommend the wheel to a friend? Yes

Use this box to explain your overall score

Excellent performance and incredible stiffness while keeping weight low. Very few of the usual drawbacks when considering carbon spokes, such as servicing and maintenance. Not including tubeless valves is a very minor niggle but I would expect the tubeless tape on any wheelset to be applied correctly, especially at this price. Overall I've loved testing the wheelset, they're absolutely rapid on the climbs and hold their own on the flats.

Overall rating: 8/10

About the tester

Age: 23  Height: 6ft  Weight: 74kg

I usually ride: Specialized venge pro 2019  My best bike is:

I've been riding for: Under 5 years  I ride: Every day  I would class myself as: Expert

I regularly do the following types of riding: road racing, time trialling, cyclo cross, commuting, club rides, sportives, general fitness riding, mtb,

Jamie has been riding bikes since a tender age but really caught the bug for racing and reviewing whilst studying towards a master's in Mechanical engineering at Swansea University. Having graduated, he decided he really quite liked working with bikes and is now a full-time addition to the road.cc team. When not writing about tech news or working on the Youtube channel, you can still find him racing local crits trying to cling on to his cat 2 licence...and missing every break going...

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shinysideup | 3 years ago
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As someone else mentioned, these look a lot like my Winspace Hypers. Mine are the 38mm / rim, and so far I'm really liking them. ~1500km at average of 32.5kph, which compares to my Flo 60s with ~17,000km at 32.2 kph. Same selection of rides 

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ngd357 | 3 years ago
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I am pretty certain that Hunt gets their rims from https://www.winspace.cc/hyper-38mm-rim-brake-wheelset.html. Hunt's hubs are however different to the Chinese firm's.

 

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Prosper0 replied to ngd357 | 3 years ago
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Yes, Hunt uses basic Bitex hubs. 

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Mathemagician | 3 years ago
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OK, I know that weight isn't everything, but...

Although on paper these look like a lightweight wheelset, I'm surprised at how much they do weigh, given the price and the fact that carbon spokes are being used. I recently built a set of 36mm deep carbon wheels for a friend, using Bitex hubs,  Sapim Race spokes and Polyax alloy nipples. The all in cost was around £550 I think, and they weighed 1476g. Had we gone with CX-Rays, the weight would have been ~1375g, and the cost somewhere around £610.

If you wanted to shave more weight, you could go for Carbon-Ti hubs which would bring the weight down to ~1295g and you'd still have change from £1000- and have SKF bearings over Enduro. You'd also have a set of wheels which could have spokes replaced anywhere as opposed to having to go back to Hunt. If you really wanted to bring the weight down, you could use Berd spokes and get the set down to under 1200g, it will still cost less than £1100. 

I know hand builts wheels will usually be cheaper (especially if you don't include build cost), but these wheels do seem a bit porky when you consider the tech and the cost of them. 

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Ihatecheese | 3 years ago
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I can't for the life of me remember the brand. But I remember when these wheels came out before by Chinese firm who create them, they were received well in forums for around £800. Just issues with replacing broken spokes and the standard risk with buying from so far away. These wheels were released by Hunt about 2 yrs ago going by other bikerumor review sites. Hence the relatively slim 19mm ir for 2021? My clx32 are 21 and a good few years old now. 

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MiserableBastard | 3 years ago
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Bike review sites and magazines desperately need to come up with some methods for eliminating confirmation bias. Case in point here:

"[low weight] helps them feel lively on the climbs"

Let's bang some numbers into http://bikecalculator.com/

A 70kg rider on an 8kg bike climbing a 10% grade at 12km/h puts out 290 watts

A 70kg rider on an 7.5kg bike climbing a 10% grade at 12km/h puts out … 289 watts

That's not a difference you can feel.

The stiffness claims would be straightforward to measure. Clamp the wheel to a bench with half of it hanging out in space, hang weights of that edge, measure the deflection. Then to find out if this makes and real-world difference, send a rider out on a 'flexible' and a 'stiff' wheel, without either rider or experimenter knowing which is which, and see if the rider can tell the difference.

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Rendel Harris replied to MiserableBastard | 3 years ago
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MiserableBastard wrote:

Bike review sites and magazines desperately need to come up with some methods for eliminating confirmation bias. Case in point here:

"[low weight] helps them feel lively on the climbs"

Let's bang some numbers into http://bikecalculator.com/

A 70kg rider on an 8kg bike climbing a 10% grade at 12km/h puts out 290 watts

A 70kg rider on an 7.5kg bike climbing a 10% grade at 12km/h puts out … 289 watts

That's not a difference you can feel.

But he's not saying they feel livelier than any others, he's just saying they feel lively. Obviously if he said you can really feel the difference between these wheels and a set 200g lighter because of their weight that would be nonsense, but he's not. 

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MiserableBastard replied to Rendel Harris | 3 years ago
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Rendel Harris wrote:

But he's not saying they feel livelier than any others, he's just saying they feel lively. Obviously if he said you can really feel the difference between these wheels and a set 200g lighter because of their weight that would be nonsense, but he's not. 

I think it's reasonable to infer that if a reviewer says a wheel 'feels lively' that means other wheels don't, and it's explicitly stated here that the livelyfeelingness* is down to weight.

*I bet there's a marvellous German compound word for this.

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Secret_squirrel replied to MiserableBastard | 3 years ago
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MiserableBastard wrote:

Clamp the wheel to a bench with half of it hanging out in space, hang weights of that edge, measure the deflection. 

The deflection measures are on the Hunt product page.

The whole subject of "feel" in cycling is a great topic and would be great Phd material, rather than say in HiFi-land which is full of bullshit bingo where everything is far more fixed and measurable.

I'd be interested in measuring any placebo effect from "knowing" your bike is lighter.

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MiserableBastard replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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Secret_squirrel wrote:

The whole subject of "feel" in cycling is a great topic and would be great Phd material, rather than say in HiFi-land which is full of bullshit bingo where everything is far more fixed and measurable.

I'd be interested in measuring any placebo effect from "knowing" your bike is lighter.

Yeah, it's a fascinating subject and I've no doubt some bikes and bike equipment feel nicer than others. But I'd like to see reviewers first calibrate their nicenessosity detectors with some double-blind tests to eliminate confirmation bias.

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PRSboy replied to MiserableBastard | 3 years ago
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There is a fascinating interview on GCN with the owner of SwissSide which makes the same conclusion; wheel weight makes less difference that one would like to think, particularly at the rim. Light wheels will feel lively, as they will spin up easier, however, that energy is lost due to the lack of flywheel effect, so you have to keep spinning them up.  So whilst they will feel lively, there will be no actual difference to speed.

While there is an element of "well he would say that, wouldn't he", it seems if you want to get a measurable advantage, buy aero wheels, not lightweight ones.

 

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Chris Hayes replied to MiserableBastard | 3 years ago
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Some of the German bike magazines are more objective in their tests, putting equipment in specialist jigs, etc. to test stiffness, deflection and other characteristics.  Like you say, I wouldn't expect too much difference between like-priced wheels (whatever the label on them, because that's usually the only difference), but I would expect it when you compare the low-to-mid-range stuff with higher end equipment, like Lightweights, for example.  

I rarely read Hunt reviews, I just go straight to the comments for a larf, but I tried reading this one as these seem similar to my BlackInc/CeramicSpeed wheels, but I had to stop at 'After a month of testing, I've managed to accumulate around 1,200km on the wheels, so any meaningful idea of how durable the bearings are is hard to ascertain, but they do feel box fresh even after being used in some pretty grim conditions' .... which is frankly ridiculous.  I have a set of Chorus and Record 10 speed wheels from the early 2000s which have done a steady 3-4,000km a year each which are still as smooth as some of my newer bearings... so the fact that they still turn after 1200km is to be expected rather than worth of mention. 

 

 

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Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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I believe according to what I came across on t'interwebs that the spokes on these and the Giant come from the same factory (a Giant owned one if memory serves), maybe the entire wheelset does - can't quite remember.

Wierd not including valves though.  That is one thing I've noticed with Hunt - they are starting to do away with some of the extra's they used to ship.  Centerlock to ISO 6 bolt break adaptors for instance.   I've just ordered a set of medium deep disc wheels from them which are listed as including the valves thankfully.  

Maybe Hunt have assumed/researched that rim brake luddites ahem fans are less likely to go tubeless.  Joking aside - chances are a rim brake frame has less clearance and hence less advantage of going tubeless.

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PRSboy replied to Secret_squirrel | 3 years ago
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I fitted some Prime RR50s (bloomin excellent by the way, for £499 new at the time) to my rim-braked Argon18 Nitrogen... at 27.5mm external they are absolutely as wide as I reckon I could fit, but the limiting factor was actually the rear brakes.  The frame, forks and front brakes have ample clearance for more.

They will take tubeless, but I'm still running tubes as I'm not convinced by the idea of running low pressures here in Britain... I've run them at 70psi on the front and I've heard a couple of almighty cracks as I've gone over road imperfections which has scared the bejesus out of me, presumably the rim impacting the road surface.  No damage done so far... 

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