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Time to change The Rules? Tilting your saddle nose down by eight degrees is more efficient in seated-uphill efforts, researchers find

Researchers found eight degrees of downward tilt improved gross efficiency by average of 1.4%, benefiting recreational riders as well as pros

If you're a more discerning cyclist, you may be familiar with Rule #48 of the rather particular Velominati list of rules cyclists must abide by that says your saddle must be "visually level"... however some researchers are seriously challenging this, finding in a recent study that tilting your saddle nose down by eight degrees helps improve gross efficiency in seated-uphill efforts by an average of 1.4% compared to a parallel saddle position. 

The study, titled ‘Nose-down saddle tilt improves gross efficiency during seated-uphill cycling’ by Ross D. Wilkinson and Rodger Kram, asked nineteen cyclists - who are described as “healthy, recreational” riders - to complete multiple five-minute seated efforts at 3W/kg on a large, custom-built cycling treadmill. 

Step1In the testing, the treadmill was inclined to eight degrees under two saddle-tilt angle conditions: parallel to the riding surface, and with the saddle at a eight degree nose down angle. 

“We measured subjects’ rates of oxygen consumption and carbon dioxide production using an expired-gas analysis system and then calculated their average metabolic power during the last two min of each 5 min trial,” the researchers say in the paper. 

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The findings were that, compared to the parallel saddle position, tilting the saddle nose down by eight degrees improved gross efficiency from 0.205 to 0.208, which is an average increase of 1.4% across its testing participants.

The effect of saddle tilt on other slopes and the reasons behind the efficiency improvement have yet to be investigated, so we'll look forward to leafing through those findings at a later date; but nevertheless, the researchers say these initial findings are relevant to both competitive and recreational cyclists, and present an opportunity for innovating new devices and saddle designs that enhance uphill cycling efficiency. 

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As it stands, though, unless you’ve entered yourself into the local hill climb competition, cycling is not all about riding uphill... which most of us are thankful for! While it could be helpful to know that knocking your saddle down at the front is going to help you while your bike is tilted on an fairly steep incline, on the flat you’d have to recruit more of your core muscles to hold yourself in place. 

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Step2On the other hand, some riders may find they prefer a slight nose down saddle position regardless of the uphill efficiency benefits, as it can relieve some pressure on the rear of the perineum, albeit at the expense of added pressure on the feet and the hands. It also gives something to push back against and more easily develop a lower torso angle, for an aggressive aero position.

Chris Froome is certainly a rider who seems to be a fan of some saddle tilt…

 

As we mentioned above, the Velominati, who aim to “maintain the sacred text wherein lie the simple truths of cycling etiquette known as The Rules”, wholeheartedly disagree about the concept of titling your saddle, with RULE#48 boldly stating: "Saddles must be level and pushed back”.

Their full ‘reasoning’?

The seating area of a saddle is to be visually level, with the base measurement made using a spirit level. 

Based on subtleties of saddle design and requirements of comfort, the saddle may then be pitched slightly forward or backward to reach a position that offers stability, power, and comfort. 

If the tilt of the saddle exceeds two degrees, you need to go get one of those saddles with springs and a thick gel pad because you are obviously a big pussy. 

The midpoint of the saddle as measured from tip to tail shall fall well behind and  may not be positioned forward of the line made by extending the seat tube through the top of the saddle.

Are you a traditionalist like Velomanti, or will you now consider adjusting the tilt of your saddle based on these findings? Let us know in the comments as always. 

Anna has been hooked on bikes ever since her youthful beginnings at Hillingdon Cycle Circuit. As an avid road and track racer, she reached the heady heights of a ProCyclingStats profile before leaving for university. Having now completed an MA in Multimedia Journalism, she’s hoping to add some (more successful) results. Although her greatest wish is for the broader acceptance of wearing funky cycling socks over the top of leg warmers.

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sparrowlegs | 2 years ago
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Aaaand cue the next bit of unrequired inventions - the "rocker" post. It'll allow the rider to change the angle of the saddle on the fly with a remote switch.

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hawkinspeter replied to sparrowlegs | 2 years ago
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sparrowlegs wrote:

Aaaand cue the next bit of unrequired inventions - the "rocker" post. It'll allow the rider to change the angle of the saddle on the fly with a remote switch.

 

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Drinfinity replied to sparrowlegs | 2 years ago
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Used to have a seat clamp that automatically dropped the angle when on the rivet. At the time I thought it was because it was worn and bent, turns out it was a feature!

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sparrowlegs replied to Drinfinity | 2 years ago
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It's actually not a bad idea really is it? Just a small lever on the underside of the saddle allows it to be micro-adjusted on the fly.

Can you remember who made it?

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chrisonabike replied to sparrowlegs | 2 years ago
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sparrowlegs wrote:

It's actually not a bad idea really is it? Just a small lever on the underside of the saddle allows it to be micro-adjusted on the fly.

Hmm... wouldn't work for me, I don't have a fly in my cycle shorts...

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sparrowlegs replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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Maybe it could be activated with a squeeze of the sphincter?

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Secret_squirrel replied to chrisonabike | 2 years ago
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chrisonatrike wrote:

Hmm... wouldn't work for me, I don't have a fly in my cycle shorts...

Try cycling faster - you'll pick one up eventually.

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chrisonabike replied to Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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Secret_squirrel wrote:
chrisonatrike wrote:

Hmm... wouldn't work for me, I don't have a fly in my cycle shorts...

Try cycling faster - you'll pick one up eventually.

You're quite right, this is perfectly possible on one of my bikes. (Shown with model...)

I also find tilting this saddle down helps efficiency too...

 

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Jack Sexty replied to sparrowlegs | 2 years ago
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First thing I said when looking through this article: Who's going to come up with a saddle with remote switch to adjust the tilt? Can't believe it hasn't been done tbf!

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Grahamd replied to Jack Sexty | 2 years ago
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Jack Sexty wrote:

First thing I said when looking through this article: Who's going to come up with a saddle with remote switch to adjust the tilt? Can't believe it hasn't been done tbf!

Bear with me I'm just going to patent just such a thing, will automatically adjust when you drop into the small chainring.

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Secret_squirrel replied to sparrowlegs | 2 years ago
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sparrowlegs wrote:

Aaaand cue the next bit of unrequired inventions - the "rocker" post. It'll allow the rider to change the angle of the saddle on the fly with a remote switch.

Dammit you beat me to it.  Have a thumbs up. laugh

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Jack Sexty replied to Secret_squirrel | 2 years ago
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armb replied to Jack Sexty | 2 years ago
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Jack Sexty wrote:

ah... https://www.aenomalyconstructs.com/ 

Just need to combine it with https://redshiftsports.com/products/dual-position-seatpost and you can have a "rules" compliant setup that switches to climbing and/or tri/aero setup up at the flick of a switch or two.

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Sriracha replied to Jack Sexty | 2 years ago
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Wow, who knew the rocker-dropper was a thing? Good find!

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I love my bike replied to Sriracha | 2 years ago
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Take note Everesting wannabes!

Should one also lower handlebars to account for the slope? (slammed stems for all? )

What if slope is +/- 5° or 20°?

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