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The rise of Chinese cycling brands: a guide to the bike and component manufacturers challenging the big Western marques

There are plenty of high-quality products available from China at decent prices, as long as you do some research ahead of time

We all know that Asian manufacturing rules the cycling world, but could 2025 be the year that Chinese brands come to the fore in Western markets? We think it could be, and here’s why…

Okay, let’s explain a few things before we get going. Chinese manufacturing within the bike industry is massive. China produced nearly 49 million bikes in 2023, and even more e-bikes. That’s before you factor in components and accessories. Colossal!

Many, many Western brands use Chinese manufacturing – that’s no secret. They have products made in Chinese factories, but that’s not what we’re talking about here. No, we’re focusing on Chinese brands, some of which started out making products for other brands before deciding to go it alone.

Some of these brands sell directly to the consumer, some have UK/European warehouses to make shipping and tax easier, others go through dealers, and we’re looking at all those types of setups in this feature. We’ve tried to make it clear which is which in our write-ups. Winspace, for example, decided a long time ago to create local dealers, and it has hundreds globally.

Bear in mind that if you’re in the UK and you import from abroad, you’re liable to pay import tax and VAT. You can look up the rate for exactly what you’re buying here, but we’re usually talking about an import duty of 14% for bikes and 4% for most parts. VAT is charged at 20%.

Some brands factor this into their prices, so there will be nothing more to pay after you’ve checked out. Others don’t do that. Find out where you stand ahead of time to avoid getting stung by unexpected charges.

We're not just covering bike/frame brands here, but also brands that make components and accessories. We're not saying the brands below are necessarily the biggest, best, or most renowned, but they offer a taste of what's out there if you're prepared to look.

Of course, Western consumers have been buying bikes, components, and accessories from Chinese brands forever, it’s just that it has become more mainstream recently. There are plenty of high-quality products to be had at decent prices, as long as you do some research ahead of time.

Yoeleo 

Yoeleo was established as a brand in 2011 after the team behind it had spent several years making carbon fibre components that were specced as original equipment on bikes from foreign brands. Yoeleo decided that its research, innovation and production expertise could be better put to use as a direct-to-customer manufacturer. By going it alone, Yoeleo could offer customers around the world an easy, online way to buy without the costs associated with distributors and retailers.

These days, Yoeleo is best known for its complete bikes, carbon framesets, and wheels, although it sells various other components, like handlebars, saddles, and bottle cages. Its R11 and R12 road framesets and G21 gravel framesets all have UCI approval. Yoeleo is focused on sports riding – road, gravel, triathlon – rather than utility riding.Yoeleo G21 DB Pro Gravel Bike

> Check out our review of the Yoeleo G21 DB Pro Gravel Bike

The Yoeleo R12 DB Disc Brake road bike frameset, for example, is made from T800 (Toray) carbon fibre and is compatible with both mechanical and Di2 groupsets. It takes tyres up to 32mm wide and Yoeleo claims a weight of 1,020g (+/-50g) for a painted frame in the smallest size (47cm), and 400g +/-10g for the fork. Those figures aren’t going to break any records, but they’re respectable. A seatpost comes as part of the package.

That R12 DB Disc Brake frameset is listed as $1,470 (£1,234), reduced by 20% to $1,136 (£954) when we recently checked, including a six-year warranty (there’s a three-year warranty on wheels).

2025 Yoeleo SAT C50_DB Pro wheels

Yoeleo’s SAT C50 DB PRO NxT SL2 wheels €999 (£839) are made with 50mm-deep T800 carbon rims and weigh a claimed 1,290g. The rear hub uses a 36-tooth ratchet system for fast engagement.

Customers are responsible for paying taxes, but shipping is free of charge.

Winspace 

Founded back in 2008, Winspace is one of the best-known Chinese brands in the West, producing carbon-fibre road and gravel frames, plus a range of wheels and bars. It has a reputation for making high-quality products.

You could buy directly from Winspace in China. Winspace’s direct prices do not include UK duty or VAT, so take that into account when making your purchasing decisions.

If you’re in the UK, though, you’ll probably prefer to buy via Winspace UK, a dealer owned and operated by Tailwind Cycles which has been selling the range for the past four years.

You’ll need to pay shipping (£20 for a frameset, in our case), but the benefit is that import duty and VAT are already taken care of, so there’s nothing more to take into account. You also get a full UK warranty. If you bought directly from Winspace China, Winspace UK would not be able to deal with warranty issues nor provide after-sales support as it does with its own customers, such as complimentary spare spokes and access to spares not normally available separately.

“We pride ourselves on the personal, high-quality UK-based support we provide, have demo bikes of the complete Winspace range, and accept Cycle to Work vouchers,” says Alex Lewis of Winspace UK. 

2025 Winspace T1550 Gen 2 frameset

“We believe these benefits are well worth the slight increase in cost compared with a direct purchase. About 50% of our customers also have us build up their Winspace. This is a bespoke service where you specify all your components and finishing kit. Our queue for builds typically runs 4-6 weeks year-round. We do not currently offer off-the-peg complete bikes.”

> The aero bike that's a quarter of the price of a Factor Ostro Vam: the Winspace T1550

The Winspace T1550 Gen 2 frameset, priced at £1,450, is made with Toray T1000 and T800 carbon fibre. It is designed to be aerodynamically efficient, offers internal routing and you get space to fit tyres up to 32mm wide. Winspace claims a weight of 828g (+/-35g, unpainted) for a medium-sized frame. 

Winspace is also well known for its Lún wheels. The new Hyper 3 wheelset is currently available for pre-order at £1,295. Carbon rims (23mm internal width) in a choice of depths, carbon spokes, a titanium freehub ratchet…. You’re getting a lot for your money here. 

Elitewheels 

Elitewheels has been making high-quality carbon bike wheels and shipping them around the globe for the past decade. Road, gravel, triathlon, mountain bike… we’re talking about performance-focused wheels for most types of riding here.

This being road.cc, we’ll focus on the road. The Elitewheels range opens with its Marvel series, starting at $599 (£492). Available in 38mm to 82mm carbon rim depths, these come in both rim brake and disc brake versions. Featuring Pillar spokes and ceramic bearings, they’re not typical entry-level wheels.

2025 Elitewheels Marvel 38D Disc brake wheelset - 1

The Marvel 38D Disc brake wheelset, for example, is designed as an all-rounder option that’s aerodynamically optimised for 25-28mm tyres. The claimed weight is 1,604g. That’s not ultralight, but we’re talking about a 38mm rim depth here, and a price of $599 (£492). All Elitewheels’ clincher rims are tubeless-ready.

The Drive series wheelsets, also available in rim brake and disc brake options, are more expensive. We’re talking about $1,189 (£978) for the Drive 40D Disc Brake wheels, for example. Here, you’re getting 40mm-deep rims made from Elitewheels’ blend of T800 and T1000 carbon fibre, bladed carbon spokes, ceramic bearings, and a claimed weight of just 1,260g. Elitewheels offers a three-year warranty. 

“As a UK customer, the best way is to order directly through the website,” says Elitewheels’ Patrick Clark. “We have a few service centres in the UK, and there is a possibility we will also have local dealers there in the future.

“We only give prices in US dollars, and shipping is included. Customers do not have to pay for customs or VAT. There are no other fees that have to be paid for.”

Wheeltop

Component manufacturer Wheeltop has been around since 1951, largely supplying products to global OEM (original equipment manufacturer) brands, but it has gained a lot of publicity recently for its EDS wireless electronic shifter/derailleur systems for road, gravel, and mountain biking. It recently acquired a majority stake in Spanish component brand Rotor.

2024 Wheeltop EDS TX on bike rear mech

> “Same performance as SRAM AXS at half the price”: the new budget electronic groupsets aiming to take on the big brands

What’s the big deal with EDS? Well, the prices can’t be ignored. The Wheeltop EDS-TX Wireless Carbon Electronic Shifter/Derailleur system – two shifters, two derailleurs, two hydraulic disc brakes (it’s also available for rim brakes) – has a regular price of £737.62, although it was down to £553.01 when we checked recently.

Okay, but is it any good? Well, here’s the good news: yes.

> Read our review of the Wheeltop EDS-TX Wireless Carbon Electronic Shifters and Derailleurs (road bike)

Our man Jamie Williams reviewed the Wheeltop EDS-TX Wireless Carbon Electronic Shifters and Derailleurs last year and said, “If you're looking to upgrade your current bike to electronic shifting, the Wheeltop EDS-TX Wireless Carbon Electronic Shifter/Derailleur kit is the most cost-effective way to do it.”

Okay, Jamie said that Wheeltop lags behind the more established brands in terms of battery life and app refinement, but if you're considering switching to electronic shifting then it's a very credible option. 

Wheeltop delivers to many countries around the world, including North America and Europe. Postage to the UK is free and the estimated delivery time is 5-9 days.

L-Twoo

Drivetrain specialist L-Twoo is a relative newcomer, founded in 2016, but it has recently gained a lot of interest for its eRX and ER9 groupsets. The systems are semi-wireless, meaning that each shifter is powered by a coin battery, while a seat-tube battery is connected to the front and rear derailleurs with a cable. 

2024 L-Twoo eRX Blue Edition groupset - 1

> Is this budget electronic groupset a Shimano and SRAM killer? 

The eRX is available from Panda Podium, an online retailer that specialises in Chinese cycling products. You can get both shifters, derailleurs, and hydraulic disc brakes, along with a central battery pack and powerlines for a complete price of just $720 (£590), reduced to $549 (£450) when we checked recently. The brake levers are carbon and the maximum range of the rear derailleur is 11T up to 32T. 

2024 L-Twoo eRX Blue Edition rear derailleur - 1 (1)

Panda Podium’s standard shipping is free on most orders to most countries.

“For UK consumers, we pre-pay all charges, so there's no VAT, duties or fees,” says Panda Podium’s Joe Whittingham. 

Superteam 

The Superteam brand was established in 2015 by Xiamen Baiyexing Outdoor Products, a manufacturer of mid-to-high-end carbon fibre bikes and other sports products. The aim was to offer high-quality carbon components, mainly wheels, at relatively low prices. The range covers road, triathlon and gravel wheels, and even wavy-rimmed Brompton wheels, believe it or not.

The road wheels start at £376.92 (the prices are set in US dollars, hence non-round figures when converted into pounds, depending on the exchange rate). That gets you a Superteam Classic Series wheelset for either rim brake or disc brake use. The Superteam Classic Series D25-50 Carbon Wheelset, for example, has hooked rims with a 25mm outer width and 50mm depth. The rims are a claimed 470g (+/-15g) and the complete wheelset weight is said to be 1,640g (+/-30g).

2024 Superteam wheels Evo II

At the top of the range, the S-ALL Carbon EVO Ⅱ D30-50 Disc Brake Wheelset comes with 50mm deep rims with a 30mm outer width (23mm inner width), DT Swiss hubs (36T ratchet system), ceramic bearings, carbon spokes… Superteam claims a weight of 1,350g (+/-30g). You’re looking at £1,310.19 for these, currently reduced to £1,228.26. 

We recently took a set of Superteam road wheels to places where no road wheels should go. Check out the video (above) to see how they coped.

Superteam offers free worldwide shipping, and UK import tax and VAT are already included in the prices quoted on its website.

Cycplus 

Founded in 2014, Cycplus expanded into international markets in 2016, and we’ve reviewed a few of its products here on road.cc over the past couple of years. Its range covers various types of electronic bike accessories.

2024 Cycplus AS2 Pro Max Bicycle Tire Inflator.jpg

Cycplus is best known around these parts for its electronic tyre inflators. We reviewed the Cycplus AS2 Pro last year (£89.09) and described it as an “excellent portable rechargeable inflator for quick roadside stops”.

> Read our review of the Cycplus AS2 Pro

“The Cycplus AS2 Pro mini pump is an excellent roadside option for getting going as quickly as possible with the minimum of fuss,” said our man Dave Atkinson. “With an accurate digital gauge, auto cut-off and a bigger battery than some, it's definitely staying in the tool bottle.”

The AS2 measures just 70x49x28mm, weighs 138g, and can inflate to a maximum pressure of 120psi. Using it couldn't be simpler. You just use the +/- buttons to select a target pressure, shove the pump on the valve, and hit the button. It’ll inflate the tyre, stopping automatically when it reaches the target.
 
Cycplus offers various pumps of different sizes, plus bike computers and several indoor trainers.

2024 CycPlus T3 High-Power Smart Bike Trainer - with bike.jpg

We recently reviewed the Cycplus T3 High-Power Smart Bike Trainer (£898.27) and said that it offered solid accuracy at a reasonable price. It might not offer the smoothest ride, but it’s pretty quiet and connects to Zwift without any issues. 

Cycplus has a store on Amazon’s UK site. However, due to many products being out of stock at the Amazon warehouse recently, it recommends purchasing directly from its own website.  

If you buy from www.cycplus.com, shipping is free on orders over $40, and $10 on orders below this. Taxes and duties are included in any shipping cost.

Magicshine 

Magicshine has been making lights – lots of ’em – since 2008, and we’ve been reviewing them for well over a decade on road.cc. Right back to 2011, in fact. As a rule, Magicshine has generally beaten most of the competition in terms of power-to-price ratio.

Magicshine EVO 1300

The Magicshine EVO 1300, for example, offers a lot for £79.99. It is extremely bright (1,300 lumens) and very well made.

> Read our review of the Magicshine EVO 1300

What’s really unusual is that you get two lenses that work together so that the lower half of the output is brighter, letting you pick out the details that are just in front of you when you're riding, but it's less bright at the top so you're not blinding oncoming road users.

A high-beam function allows you to see ahead on unlit roads, and then reduce the output when you're riding in traffic or urban areas. You can also create your own modes using the accompanying app.

Magicshine Evo 1700SD heroMagicshine has recently launched the first Shimano Di2-compatible front light, the Evo 1700SD (£89.99, currently reduced to £79.99). Without moving your hands from your bike’s controls, you can now switch your lights on, select high beam or low beam, adjust brightness and even switch on flash mode. 

> Magicshine launches first Shimano Di2-compatible front light 

Magicshine offers plenty of rear lights too, including radar and camera options, and don’t forget that it makes sunglasses these days too, and they tend to offer equally impressive value. The Magicshine Rouleur Colour Photochromic Sunglasses, for instance, automatically adjust according to light conditions and cost just £59.99.

2024 Magicshine Rouleur Colour Photochromic Sunglasses - front

> Read our review of the Magicshine Rouleur Colour Photochromic Sunglasses

Magicshine sells internationally via its website but UK consumers should go via magicshineuk.com (which can handle both retail and wholesale) where there will be no import duty or VAT to pay, or use one of Magicshine’s UK retailers. 

Magene

Founded in 2015, Magene offers a range of smart accessories and components, plus wheels through its Exar sub-brand.

2024 Magene C606 Smart GPS Bike Computer Map.jpg

Its bike computers start with the £79 C506 which comes with a 2.4in colour screen and provides route navigation, and goes up to the £129.99 touchscreen C606 (above) that we reviewed last year.

We described the C606 as a “decent option that does the basics pretty well, for a good price”. It lacks some of the performance-orientated features of higher-end options from the likes of Garmin and Wahoo, but it's half the price.

> Check out our review of the Magene C606 Smart GPS Bike Computer

2022 Magene L508 Radar Tail Light.jpg

The L508 radar tail light (£99) we reviewed is interesting too. It has a 140° field of view and can detect cars from up to 140m away, so you get a good warning of vehicles approaching behind you if you pair it with a compatible bike computer. 

> Read our review of the Magene L508 Radar Tail Light

Magene’s range also covers heart rate monitors, a PES P505 Base Power Meter (£249), and those wheels we mentioned, through its Exar sub-brand, but we’ve not reviewed any of those. 

The www.magene.com website ships to the US only. UK customers need to go to the UK-specific website where the prices quoted (in pounds sterling) are inclusive of customs duties and VAT. Shipping is free on orders over £99, and £10 below that figure (although the shipping policy is subject to conditions; Magene may make periodic adjustments to customs duties and VAT handling, and certain products, such as wheelsets, may not qualify for free shipping).

Farsports

Although Farsports’ range includes combined carbon handlebar/stems, wheels are its bread and butter – all with carbon rims.

2025 FARSPORTS New C Series wheelset - 1

For instance, the Farsports 2025 New C Series wheels, designed for both road and gravel, are available in three different rim depths: 35mm (C3), 50mm (C5), and 58mm (C6), or you could go with 50mm at the front, and 58mm at the rear. Those rims are hooked and tubeless-ready.

They come with Farsports’ own hubs, designed in-house, with a ratchet system providing engagement at the back, and they’re built with Alpina Ultralite Aero spokes.

2025 FARSPORTS New C Series wheelset hub - 1

With an internal rim width of 24mm, and an external width of 30mm, the mid-depth C5 wheelset has a claimed weight of 1,130g. You’re looking at a price of $1,099 (£894).

Up the range, the Farsports 2025 New EVO S Series wheels are available with steel ($1,499/£1,220) or CeramicSpeed ($1,699/£1,382) bearings.

Again, you have the choice of 35mm, 50mm, or 58mm tubeless-ready hooked rims. If you go for the shallowest option, Farsports claims a wheelset weight of just 1,090g. That’s seriously light. 

Farports offers a 36-month warranty on all its carbon fibre products and a 35% crash replacement discount. It ships worldwide, free to select countries/regions. Any shipping cost includes taxes.

You can also buy through Panda Podium at the same prices.

Seka

Seka has built a reputation for producing high-quality bike frames over the past few years. The Afield, Exceed, and Spear all feature on the UCI’s List of Approved Models of Framesets so they can be raced at any level.

2025 seka spear frameset

Of these, the Spear is the newest model, and Seka reckons that, after collaborating with the Aerocoach team to conduct wind tunnel tests at the Silverstone Sports Engineering Hub wind tunnel, it can say that you won’t find a faster all-round road frameset than this.

We showed you the “Wind Eye” design – where the seatstays meet the seat tube – when we saw it at the Rouleur Live show last year

Seka says that Wind Eye “suppresses turbulence caused by low-pressure areas at the seat tube and rear wheel.” It also says, “CFD [computational fluid dynamics] comprehensive simulation analysis indicates that Wind Eye can save 2.66 Watts for the Spear frame set at a relative wind speed of 40km/h [25mph].”

A standard Spear frame in a size medium has a claimed weight of 860g while an unpainted RDC version is said to be a superlight 685g.

2024 Rouleur Seka Spear - 2.jpegSeka says that each Spear is made up of 350 pieces of carbon fibre, including strong and lightweight TeXtreme carbonYou can check out a whole white paper on the Spear design here

You buy through a dealer rather than directly from Seka’s website. In the UK, that’s Bikesoup in LondonA Seka Spear Standard Achromatic Silver frameset (complete with fork, handlebar/stem, and seatpost, is £2,250

XDS 

XDS Bicycles has been in the news a lot recently since taking over from Wilier as the bike supplier to WorldTeam Astana, now called XDS Astana.

> The bikes of the men's WorldTour

2025 XDS Astana Team X-LAB AD9 aero bikes

We’ve all seen pictures of the XDS X-LAB AD9 that the Astana riders are racing on but details are so far scarce. The AD9 has yet to be officially released or added to the UCI’s List of Approved Models of Framesets, although Astana and XDS have been plastering it all over social media.

Bear in mind that xdsbikeco.com is a US company with offices and distribution in California. Getting hold of an XDS in Europe isn’t straightforward right now, although there are various options on AliExpress.

Have you bought products from any of these Chinese brands and which ones would you like to see included in future road.cc content? Let us know below...

Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.

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lonpfrb | 1 week ago
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Why would any responsible cyclist support the CCP....

Every enterprise has a CCP 'golden share' so is really controlled by the regime that doesn't respect fair trade, the international rule of law, intellectual property and human rights.

The only vote we have with the CCP dictatorship is not to buy their supposedly cheap products which in reality is an exchange of sovereign capabilities and so a loss of freedom.

A very bad bargain and something not priced into the deal at all, which allows the globalist to trade away our freedom without any accounting of that.

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mark1a replied to lonpfrb | 1 week ago
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lonpfrb wrote:

Why would any responsible cyclist support the CCP....

Easy to say, but who made the devices you are using to say this?

Sent from iPhone 16 Pro (probably made in China) via Netgear Orbi mesh WiFi endpoint (definitely made in China).

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Simon E replied to mark1a | 1 week ago
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mark1a wrote:
lonpfrb wrote:

Why would any responsible cyclist support the CCP....

Easy to say, but who made the devices you are using to say this?

So should everyone who owns a smartphone therefore be expected to buy bikes, cars and everything else they want or need from China?

Should we ask the government to install Huawei and other Chinese-made routers and communications devices in government departments?

Poor effort. Next you'll be saying that if someone owns a gas boiler then they are therefore a friend of Putin and agree with his invasion of Ukraine.

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stevemaiden replied to lonpfrb | 5 days ago
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Well we do have influence in China because the democratic world buys from them and so their economy relies heavily on our international trade.

So to be topical, the threat of 'tarrifs' as a basic example is a powerful tool only because we do business with Chinese suppliers. Western powers can leverage implied threats to China's economy to force them to act on human rights and the environment. It's never handled so brazenly as that ofc but in effect China does try to meet Western standards of behaviour in many areas because of Western expectations. For example there have been reforms to their death penalty system with more court oversight due in part to Western diplomatic and NGO pressure. They also have a significant green economy industrial base partly because of Western pressure to meet international standards.

It's a difficult issue but fundamentally while our governments trade with China we have influence there.

To flip your point why should China trade with us? We didn't have much concern for the human rights of civilian Iraqis and Afghans who we have managed to kill in very high numbers. Has China directly killed as many civilians as the Western military has in the 21st Century? We must be many orders of magnitude ahead?

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chrisonabike replied to stevemaiden | 5 days ago
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stevemaiden wrote:

Well we do have influence in China because the democratic world buys from them and so their economy relies heavily on our international trade.

But ... on the flip side we are so heavily dependent on so many things (most of which we don't make ourselves and haven't done for some time).

So ... we do have some power ... but a) the Communist Party is very concerned about maintaining complete control ("stability") so movement on some "human rights" issues is unlikely b) China has also been carefully securing its business and resources across e.g. Africa and other places the "West" doesn't care much about.  They've some resiliance.

stevemaiden wrote:

Has China directly killed as many civilians as the Western military has in the 21st Century? We must be many orders of magnitude ahead?

Depends what you want to count (e.g. on the West - how wide you'd cast the net over deaths due to the Western military).  But I'd point you in the direction of Mao's legacy, the annexation of Tibet, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution etc.

EDIT - or we may just be out-tech-ed (as well as out-manufactured etc)...

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Saracen888 | 1 week ago
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The Magene power meter is a game changer.

Dual sided for £249 in the crank length of your choice and very accurate. No brainer

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dolly | 1 week ago
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Has anyone bought wheels from Light Bicycle? If so what has your experience been?

 

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Miller replied to dolly | 1 week ago
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dolly wrote:

Has anyone bought wheels from Light Bicycle? If so what has your experience been?

Over on weight_weenies there's 310 pages of discussion on Light Bicycle so have a look there.

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jnthnwd replied to dolly | 6 days ago
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As a heavier rider, my latest wheelset was assembled in the UK using Light Bicycle deep carbon rims (with Hope hubs, Sapim spokes). Components as recommended by wheelbuilder. No complaints after 18 months easy use.

 

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matthewn5 replied to dolly | 6 days ago
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I've got a dynamo front wheel built locally by DCR with a Light Bicycle AR36 disc rim. I've got another wheelset built by DCR using Light Bicycle R25 rim brake rims. Both have been absolutely fine.

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PoorInRichfield | 1 week ago
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Quite frankly, I'd rather not buy anything from China in favor of bicycle components made and sold in my home country (USA).  However, since most bicycle brands manufacturer their parts in China or in that region of the world, buying direct just "cuts out the middle man" as far as I'm concerned and is the only way most of us can make cycling somewhat more affordable again.  I hope the invasion of these direct-to-consumer Chinese brands sparks a price war that hopefully helps the end consumer get a higher quality product at a lower price, regardless of which brand it is.

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hawkinspeter replied to PoorInRichfield | 1 week ago
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PoorInRichfield wrote:

Quite frankly, I'd rather not buy anything from China in favor of bicycle components made and sold in my home country (USA).  However, since most bicycle brands manufacturer their parts in China or in that region of the world, buying direct just "cuts out the middle man" as far as I'm concerned and is the only way most of us can make cycling somewhat more affordable again.  I hope the invasion of these direct-to-consumer Chinese brands sparks a price war that hopefully helps the end consumer get a higher quality product at a lower price, regardless of which brand it is.

Meanwhile, I'd rather purchase from China than the U.S.A as they seem to have at least one Nazi in the government with a lot of support from the Republican party and almost all media outlets.

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Secret_squirrel replied to hawkinspeter | 1 week ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

[Meanwhile, I'd rather purchase from China than the U.S.A as they seem to have at least one Nazi in the government with a lot of support from the Republican party and almost all media outlets.

 

Really?  Jerkish comment - we don't have to drag the teumpiean clusterfuck into everything you know.

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hawkinspeter replied to Secret_squirrel | 1 week ago
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Secret_squirrel wrote:
hawkinspeter wrote:

[Meanwhile, I'd rather purchase from China than the U.S.A as they seem to have at least one Nazi in the government with a lot of support from the Republican party and almost all media outlets.

Really?  Jerkish comment - we don't have to drag the teumpiean clusterfuck into everything you know.

I think there's a difference between trying to drag him into everything (which I don't tend to do) and ignoring that a presidential inauguration featured two blatant Nazi salutes that seems to be accepted by the ADL, the MSM, the Republicans and presumably Trump voters.

There was a very significant war against the Nazis and it is vitally important that we don't forget that, so I think it is right that we call out Musk even though he is the reichist man in the world.

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ubercurmudgeon replied to hawkinspeter | 1 week ago
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I wouldn't worry about it. Secret_squirrel is only the sole arbiter of what is acceptable for discussion in road.cc comments in his own head, nowhere else.

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ErnieC replied to hawkinspeter | 1 week ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:
PoorInRichfield wrote:

Quite frankly, I'd rather not buy anything from China in favor of bicycle components made and sold in my home country (USA).  However, since most bicycle brands manufacturer their parts in China or in that region of the world, buying direct just "cuts out the middle man" as far as I'm concerned and is the only way most of us can make cycling somewhat more affordable again.  I hope the invasion of these direct-to-consumer Chinese brands sparks a price war that hopefully helps the end consumer get a higher quality product at a lower price, regardless of which brand it is.

Meanwhile, I'd rather purchase from China than the U.S.A as they seem to have at least one Nazi in the government with a lot of support from the Republican party and almost all media outlets.

And ignore the persecution and genocide of the Uyghur people and other Muslim minorities? 

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hawkinspeter replied to ErnieC | 1 week ago
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ErnieC wrote:

And ignore the persecution and genocide of the Uyghur people and other Muslim minorities? 

Not at all. China is well known for their incredibly poor human rights record, but I don't think that USA should just get a free pass either.

Realistically, it'd take a lot of effort to boycott either China or the USA.

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ErnieC replied to hawkinspeter | 1 week ago
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So sweep it under the rug and play the genocide card against smaller nations? Should not be difficult for UCI to ban IPT, UAE, Bahrain victorious and XDS. 

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levestane replied to PoorInRichfield | 1 week ago
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<RANT>Neoliberal globalism does facilitate goods at relatively low prices. Neoliberal economic models ignore human social systems and the biophysical reality in which they are operated. The result is ever-increasing social injustice, six of the nine planetary boundaries breached and seriously scary ecological overshoot. Much better to make locally, pay a bit more but retain social cohesion and stay in the Holocene.</RANT>

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Steve K | 1 week ago
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Anyone on here got the Wheeltop groupset?  I'm quite tempted as an upgrade, but would be interested in hearing more experiences first.

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Miller replied to Steve K | 1 week ago
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I have a bike with the Ltwoo Er9 group but don't have Wheeltop. If that is of interest.

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Steve K replied to Miller | 1 week ago
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Miller wrote:

I have a bike with the Ltwoo Er9 group but don't have Wheeltop. If that is of interest.

Is it any good?  Pros/cons, any issues?

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Miller replied to Steve K | 1 week ago
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Yes, it is good and I like it a lot although there have been a few wrinkles. I went for Ltwoo for a few reasons, obviously cost, also because their mech shifters borrow from Campag and I liked that even if I shouldn't have, and also just cos I like experimenting. Here's some thoughts.

Front and rear shifting is excellent. They don't do a full group, in fact, so I went with Shimano cassette and chain and an Aliexpress RiRo chainset. The shifting is tunable through a decent app.

Shift levers are slim and nicely made. They contain CR2032 cells for the radio to the mechs. Brake reach is adjustable to an extent. Their hydro brakes are as good as anything else if with slightly strange frame adapters. The 'breakfast roll' pads are cute although any Shimano road disc pad will fit.

Something I really like is that the batteries are cheap rechargeables you slot into a battery holder. So no more ruinously expensive proprietary power units (hello Campag!). I'm happy with wired connection to front and rear mechs.

Something I'm not so keen is that the up/down shifter buttons have an extremely light action and even hitting a bump will cause a shift if your finger was resting against the button. Could be improved ergonomically.

A hassle I had was that my first charging cable failed, it goes from a mobile phone wall charger to a mag coupling on the rear mech. Was cheap to replace but it took me a while to diagnose this fault. 

The quality level is quite high, all the parts seem nicely made.

I made a video about this bike a few months ago, I've learned more about the group since then, but the video shows the group and I filmed it in a nice location.

https://youtu.be/CEmYEfLYwk4

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maviczap replied to Steve K | 1 week ago
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Steve K wrote:

Anyone on here got the Wheeltop groupset?  I'm quite tempted as an upgrade, but would be interested in hearing more experiences first.

I was the same, there's a Facebook group for Wheeltop owners, lots have good experiences, but also plenty with issues, so I'm holding off until they've ironed out the glitches. For the money it might be worth the risk. Also I think Oz Cycling on YouTube has tested a groupsets, so see what he says 

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Miller | 1 week ago
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Also Nextie who offer a selection of carbon rims in very modern designs and which are very well made.

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redimp | 1 week ago
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My bikes all have Chinese branded bits and bobs. Lights, jockey wheels, saddle and my main bike has OG-Evkin handlebars.

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anotherflat replied to redimp | 1 week ago
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Jockey wheels... standard jockey wheels run on unexciting self-lubricating plastic bearings for a reason.
One of the most annoying mechanicals I've had while commuting was preceded by the burning smell of white metal swiftly followed by the complete destruction of the rear derailleur as the shiny cnc-ed jockey wheels, that the previous owner had fitted, seized.
That trick of shortening the chain and running singlespeed doesn't work with modern cassettes, the chain gets moved down the cassette by the ramps until it is bar tight and the rear wheel stops moving due to the load on the bearings.

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PpPete | 1 week ago
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Also:

Xoss, super cheap head units if you just want to record your track, & display speed, cadence, HR (not Power) - transfer to Strava is via their own phone app.

Onirii - hydro-mechanical disc brakes (like TRO Hy-Rd)

Rockbros - variety of well priced accessories. including lights, locks etc.

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