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Are we voting?

by barbarus
Wed, Jun 07, 2017 22:37
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Who for and why? Prepared to say?

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adamthekiwi replied to peted76 | 7 years ago
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peted76 wrote:

I don't think there's much irony here. There's a difference between Corbyn being an open Unionist supporter in the 1980's and Gray May scrabbling about for some friendly faces for some odd couple coalition.

You're right, huge difference. One was seeking (perhaps misguidedly) a peaceful solution to an horrific situation, the other is trying to grasp at power.

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adamthekiwi | 7 years ago
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@fustuarium - that's the problem with first-past-the-post, the least-democratic universal suffrage system possible! However, if you still express your support for the LibDems, at least the other parties might start to take notice of that and modify their policies? No vote means you have no voice at all, and hands *all* the decision making powers to the pensioners (who are conservative and want even more of the country's wealth to be transferred to them).

 

Me, I'm voting Labour for the first time since 1987; there is a suggestion that my seat might return to them after a stunning SNP turnaround at the last election. The reason: the best hope for this country, IMO, not to end up a social, liberal and economic distaster zone is to oppose May and I think a strong Labour vote is the best bet for that (no way the Tories are winning in my seat).

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ianguignet | 7 years ago
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A vote for that Witch is a nail in all our childrens coffins

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Rich_cb replied to ianguignet | 7 years ago
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ianguignet wrote:

A vote for that Witch is a nail in all our childrens coffins

I know Nicola Sturgeon has her faults but there's no need to be mean.

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Yorkshire wallet replied to ianguignet | 7 years ago
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ianguignet wrote:

A vote for that Witch is a nail in all our childrens coffins

How? elaborate please. Hyperbole much? People probably said the same about Thatcher when I was a child but everyone I still know from being a child has done ok for themselves.  The only people who ended up in coffins before their time were driving too fast.

Spend, spend, spend is all very well but who's paying? That 1% that pays into 25% of tax income can easily go live somewhere else so you've got to think out these Robin Hood strategies a bit more.  

If we were dealing with 'normal' Labour then things may seem less cut and dried but the country has never wanted the extreme left or the extreme right so Corbyn will not get in. Labour was most successful in recent memory when it was nearer the centre.  Tony Blair is now long demonified because of Iraq but a Labour now that resembled anything like that Labour would be in with a chance. Not marxism, no way.

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adamthekiwi replied to Yorkshire wallet | 7 years ago
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Yorkshire wallet wrote:

Spend, spend, spend is all very well but who's paying?

Sorry, is that a description of the current Tory government? They have, after all, despite making things significantly harder for those at the bottom of the pile, failed to even stop our national debt growing, let alone actually reduce it...

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

That 1% that pays into 25% of tax income can easily go live somewhere else so you've got to think out these Robin Hood strategies a bit more.

The top 1% do *not* pay 25% of tax income. They pay about 27% of *income tax* but income tax is only about 29% of tax income. Broadly speaking, the figures from the ONS suggest that the top 10% of earners pay about 27% of total tax income.

Yorkshire wallet wrote:

If we were dealing with 'normal' Labour then things may seem less cut and dried but the country has never wanted the extreme left or the extreme right so Corbyn will not get in. Labour was most successful in recent memory when it was nearer the centre.  Tony Blair is now long demonified because of Iraq but a Labour now that resembled anything like that Labour would be in with a chance. Not marxism, no way.

I'm not a big Corbyn supporter, despite my statement of (temporary) Labour allegience above, but I'm curious: can you point me to anything that he's said or done that shows him wanting to implement an "extreme left" government? I've read in the press a lot about how he is a commie demon, but not seen any actual evidence of it...

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peted76 replied to adamthekiwi | 7 years ago
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adamthekiwi wrote:

If we were dealing with 'normal' Labour then things may seem less cut and dried but the country has never wanted the extreme left or the extreme right so Corbyn will not get in. Labour was most successful in recent memory when it was nearer the centre.  Tony Blair is now long demonified because of Iraq but a Labour now that resembled anything like that Labour would be in with a chance. Not marxism, no way.

I'm not a big Corbyn supporter, despite my statement of (temporary) Labour allegience above, but I'm curious: can you point me to anything that he's said or done that shows him wanting to implement an "extreme left" government? I've read in the press a lot about how he is a commie demon, but not seen any actual evidence of it...

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Corbyn's manifesto, not that I'm voting for him, is actually more right than most think. I think the issue with him being views as a marxist following, socialist loony lefty is unfortunatley down to the fact he's had quite the hardcore socialist lefty views in the past.

We the unwashed (or rather the press) 'demand' that our politicians should be squeaky clean at least when they come to office, then we set the hounds on them to find out their hidden dirty secrets. With JC it's plain to see in his past being quite a vocal strong minded chap, a union leader sort of bloody mindedness. In fact he was a trade union representative before he joined politics.

I shall be very pleased when this election is over, it's been a right load of balls since it started - in fact this little snippet of an interview between BJ Baffoon and some stiff sums up the whole thing for me.. https://youtu.be/kPPyBLC5ddM  I love Boris, he gives us the best entertainment.

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cqexbesd | 7 years ago
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I voted Labour - though in a seat where it will make no difference.

Issue wise its the normal stuff I suspect for Labor voters - NHS, social services, education, environment, not selling weapons to dodgy places, workers rights, wealth distribution, women's rights, and I think they hate cyclists slightly less than the Tories. I realise they aren't always great on all those issues but, you know, shows improvement and should get some encouragement.

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hawkinspeter | 7 years ago
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East Bristol is typically Labour, so I'll be voting Green just to show a bit of support for actually addressing air pollution. I think the priority has to be the planet - it's where I keep all my stuff.

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oldstrath | 7 years ago
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Yes, for the best option in my Scottish constituency to avoid returning a Tory candidate with a commitment to fracking (as well as all their other unpleasant commitments).

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fustuarium | 7 years ago
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Only option to revisit Brexit is liberal and they're about 20,000 votes behind last times winner in my constituency so no, I won't be. I don't see anything much different between Cons and Labour.

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Chris James replied to fustuarium | 7 years ago
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fustuarium wrote:

Only option to revisit Brexit is liberal and they're about 20,000 votes behind last times winner in my constituency so no, I won't be. I don't see anything much different between Cons and Labour.

 

Are you only referring to the parties' Brexit positions, or their general policies?

I find it incomprehensible how you can think there is little difference between the Labour and Conservative manifestos. They are probably the most different since 1945.

 

 

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