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road.cc fantasy cycling 2011
Okay, so we want to run a season-long compo next year which will take in the three grand tours and some other races too. But which races?
It's been suggested that the classics are a good place to start. here's the classics list off of wikipedia:
Milan – San Remo (Italy)
Ronde van Vlaanderen (Belgium)
Gent–Wevelgem (Belgium)
Paris–Roubaix (France)
Amstel Gold Race (Netherlands)
Flèche Wallonne (Belgium)
Liège–Bastogne–Liège (Belgium)
Gent-Wevelgem (Belgium)
Clásica de San Sebastián (San Sebastian Classic) (Spain)
Paris–Brussels (France/ Belgium)
Paris–Tours (France)
Giro di Lombardia (Italy)
Others under consideration are:
Tour Down Under
Tirreno Adriatico
Tour of California
Tour de Suisse
Dauphiné Libéré
World Champs
The idea would be to have a season-long compo with the three grand tours available as a standalone event too. sound good? any more suggestions? the more the merrier.
If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.
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It must be almost time for some more information on the game - I am itching to get my provisional team list underway.
Not yet. but we'll firm it up in the next couple of weeks and make an announcement about it on the site. I *can* tell you that...
1) it will be a season long game and separate games for the three grand tours, which will count toward your overall season
2) it'll kick off with the Milan-San Remo
more soon!
Has the final decision on races and rules been made yet?
Two games ?
couldn't you just select an entire squad of say 20-25 riders at the start of the season, then have a limited number of transfers per month to make up for injuries etc...
Well, yes. but there are some issues with doing that. specifically, we'll be running the three grand tours as separate competitions as well as incorporating them into an overall year-long game.
So if you come in just for the TdF and you pick a squad/team then, you're at a big advantage over someone who's been playing since january; it's not a level playing field.
We think we're close to a solution on that though. we're thinking it through right now
to expand on that rather flippant statement, what i'm looking for is an elegant and simple solution to the problems of transferring riders throughout the season and during the grand tours, and the solution i'm leaning towards is:
1) limited transfers between classics
2) limited transfers within stage races
3) a free transfer window before each grand tour, as many changes as you want
4) no free transfers within stage races for riders that drop out - you just gotta pick a new one
nah, think you'll just have to own that one
sounds like it might be a plan
Just had a thought though... most teams don't send the same riders to all of the classics, so you would need to decide whether to give free transfers (out of our teams) to riders who are not seleced by their tems to race a subsequent classic.
That would work for me.
So it is like a transfer window rather than wholesale changes.
hmm. but surely there's as much skill in making good transfers as there is in making good initial selections?
maybe we could run a similar transfer strategy in the spring classics, say, as we do in the big tours, so you can't change your whole team every time.
How about four transfers between each classic then? Just like on rest days during the Vuelta game?
That way we will need to pick an all round 'classics team' but it will also allow some specificity for each race.
You want to try and add something different from the other online management games such as those listed below...
http://www.depontieu.net/cobble/
http://velogames.com/
http://fantasy.cycling-games.com/game/
...I agree with going for the big classics and tours but unlimited transfers between races means most people could end up with a pretty similar team.
How about picking a team in Jan and having an May and August transfer window?
Of course it would make it a lower scoring competition but it will make it more equal for those who dont have time to make loads of transfers regularly.
It might increase the skill factor if you have less opportunities to put bad decisions right.
I think we can safely say that we'll be picking races that don't overlap, as i'm not keen on making too much work for myself
here's some thoughts from my brain:
1) it *won't* be possible to enter more than one team per user account, sorry. it's too difficult to control
2) there will be unlimited changes between different races, and limited transfers available during stage races
3) rider values will probably continue to change, possibly based on a simpler formula than before, but we won't be complicating our lives with overengineered team pickers that, erm, don't work very well.
4) i reckon 3 grand tours + classics + worlds + a couple of the more interesting week tours is the way to go. dauphiné, tour de suisse maybe
Deal - That sounds great!
Maybe add the Tour Down Under to break up the January boredom.
I have posted on the forum a number of times about the 2011 season long game, but I will add my thoughts here again.
In my opinion, the classics, the three grand tours and the world champs are a must. These are typically the biggest races of the year.
Trying to incorporate many of the week long stage races may prove problematic as some overlap. Especially if you consider three other important stage races - Paris-Nice, Tour de Pologue and the Eneco Tour.
I think you should give a starting budget at the start of the season which can be increased/decreased over the course of the season with good/bad transfers.
Keep the fluctuating prices between stages for all the stage races.
Impose price increases for say the top 20 in a one day race.
Any 'money' made from good performances in a race then carrys over and adds to the budget for next race in the calender.
Just my two cents...
Can't wait for the game to begin!
LabMonkey / Jon
As a complete road racing novice I really enjoyed the fantasy events and I'm looking forward to doing better next year.
Would it be possible to offer the chance to have more than one entry per User Name?
I liked the idea of having a fixed team for the Vuelta but I also manted to be in the GC but was too lazy to set up an alternative User Name.
Given the issues with the changes you made for the Vuelta, perhaps maintaining the same rider value throughout a race but updating the values between races. This would mean that you would have to limit the selected events to those which don't clash.
the list of races sounds good to me, possibly to much as it means i will be spending even more time than my wife deems necessary at this computer sorting out transfers, great!
I liked the fantasy TdF last year. But the Vuelta was a pain in the backside - I'd prefer to keep it simple without the riders 'prices' changing all the time.
Obviously, with the press coverage, it is easier to track and manage for the Grand Tours, a season long com (in addition to the stand alone comps sounds good)
I'd imagine that a lot of team changes/ transfers between events would be required as teams and team rosters change a lot between races.
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