Team Value

Things are looking better today.

I guess my question now is how I managed to make that comment above.

hm. we feel your pain and we'll look into it again. It's the longest we've run the game in real world situations with 3.5k players, so apologies if it needs the odd tweak

Is it just me, or is this problem getting worse? I don't think I'm doing too badly as of late (collecting respectable points for each stage), but my team value keeps going down almost every day. I've lost nearly 20 credits in the last week and I'm now under 175 total credits.

they overlap for two stages, and you get four transfers for each. so you'll probably want to spend those transferring allegiance from one race to the other

Off topic, but now i'm confused, how can two races with different riders ovelap? You can only have 1 team.

I guess one way to make the 'sub'-competitions equal while keeping the year long contest alive is by banking the surplus/deficit of points at the end of each competition / between tours.

So at end of the Giro, everyone's brought back to 175 with the difference being banked ensuring a level field for the Tour.

For the year long competition, all the banked points can be added back to the team value at end of the Vuelta.

Slightly more complex but fairer to the new comers. What say?

The change in calculations wasn't meant to put anyone at a disadvantage, only to stop team values running away. yesterday's adjustment felt a bit drastic, today things should be more normal.

My team value went from nearly 185 points to 167 so I'm now much worse off than someone joining the game tomorrow.

It's been bloody difficult playing it during the Classics because you can't put a team together, now we get to Giro and the goalposts are moved again.

I might as well give up - in fact I have to, or I'll be starting from a disadvantage.

I agree that with the game lasting all season it would make sense to have team values varying across the whole year but each grand tour is a separate competition with very substantial prizes. It seems unfair that the tour or vuelta prize would go not to the person doing the best over each three weeks but to someone who had a 10-15 credit advantage right from the start. I'm not suggesting reseting after every classic, just at major milestones, the ones generally having unlimited transfers anyway.

My main reason for bringing this up was that I plan on bringing a few colleagues on board for the TdF and if team values werent reset I'd have to create another team for competing with work (rather than have a 5-10 credit headstart) which i don't really want to do.

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Thanks for the explanation Dave, can I also suggest you reset overall team values at the start/end of each grand tour or group of races?

This is something we've discussed; the main issue is that many people will end the Giro with a team worth more than the original 175 credits, although with unlimited transfers ahead of the next race it shouldn't be so much of an issue. There's arguments either way: an equal footing ahead of the Tour and Vuelta makes a lot of sense but the game is a season-long one too.

Thanks for the explanation Dave, can I also suggest you reset overall team values at the start/end of each grand tour or group of races?

I'm not sure if this is something you already do but it'd just mean everyone would be on an equal footing going into a race and it'd probably also make your job easier when pricing riders at the start if everyone's got the same budget.

hello all.

Okay first things first: the rider/team value amendments are across the board, so no-one should have lost out. we've been tweaking the rider value logic since the start but like Swirly says, the general trend of team values has been an upward one. The latest tweak had more effect (it's the first one to be noticed...) but shouldn't actually affect your buying power in the transfer market at all. It's more to keep a cap on rider values so that new players aren't too badly disadvantaged.

For transparency, here's how rider values are currently calculated:

1) A popularity score is assigned to a rider based on how many teams they're in: this goes from -2 for no teams at all to +3 if they're in 50% of the participating teams or more
2) A score based on current form (last five stages) is added to that, this runs from -3 for zero form up to +3 for a form score of 12 or above.
3) The two are added together, and added/subtracted from the rider's value.
4) if the rider hasn't competed in all of the last five stages then their adjustment will be proportional to how many scores they have, from 100% for all 5 down to 0% for no stages
5) The maximum increase in a rider's value is 5 credits. The maximum decrease in a rider's value is 25% of their original, base value.

>Thanks to this forum, I'm just glad to know that I'm not the only one to have suffered the fate

Yeah me too, it seems fair as my team had gone up in value by a heck of a lot. Compared to new people coming in after the Giro it would have been a massive advantage.

I scored my highest ever 131 points in a stage and still lost almost 10 points in team value.

Thanks to this forum, I'm just glad to know that I'm not the only one to have suffered the fate

Its almost as if the values have returned to near there original value.
Rujano won and ive lost 0.8 credits on him. Lost about 14 overall, whats going on?

I've also had a massive drop. I scored 130 points today and lost about 10 credits. 3 of those were for Ventoso seeing as he's dropped out but I'm not really sure where the rest went.

I lost about 15 credits - seems very harsh given it took so long to build these credits up!