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Carrying Tubeless Repair Parts - Reducing Bulk

I'd like to reduce the amount of stuff I carry around with me on a road bike ride.
Mainly reducing the bulk, not really for weight reduction.

Tyres are Pirelli Cinturato. Which have pretty good puncture protection.
At the moment I'm carrying a mini pump, two CO2 cannisters and injector, spare tube, puncture repair kit (glue, patches and cut up inner tube strips for tyre boots) and tyre levers attached to multi tool.

If I bought something like the Stans Dart (I'm using their sealant), could I reduce the carry to:
Mini pump, glue and tyre boot, tyre levers on multi tool.

Thanks for any advice.

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Spokesperson | 4 years ago
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So sad that my little Topeak cross-bar bags that I have on my bikes are JUST too small to take my new mobile phone easily. I suppose I will just have to buy a new larger one and give away the three useless ones.

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fenix replied to Spokesperson | 4 years ago
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Can't help but think there might have been a way to avoid this situation ?

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srchar | 4 years ago
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I would just get a tool bottle and carry whatever spares you think you might need. Because, one day, you'll need that spare tube. Mine contains spare tube, patches, tyre boot, mini pump, tyre levers, multitool, cable ties, chain links, mech hanger, valve core, valve core spanner, boas, spare lights and nitrile gloves.

It sounds like overkill, but I started out with spare tube and mini pump, and added bits based on the bitter experience of standing at the side of the road wishing I had carried what's now in my tool bottle...

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0-0 replied to srchar | 4 years ago
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srchar wrote:

I would just get a tool bottle and carry whatever spares you think you might need. Because, one day, you'll need that spare tube. Mine contains spare tube, patches, tyre boot, mini pump, tyre levers, multitool, cable ties, chain links, mech hanger, valve core, valve core spanner, boas, spare lights and nitrile gloves.

It sounds like overkill, but I started out with spare tube and mini pump, and added bits based on the bitter experience of standing at the side of the road wishing I had carried what's now in my tool bottle...

Thank you. Good advice about the tool bottle.  1

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snsb | 4 years ago
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With the stem being hollow and waterproof I have jammed two £20.00 notes ; some small cable ties ; puncture patches etc. No real added weight , fairly easy to get to and fortunately so far never used.

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srchar replied to snsb | 4 years ago
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Intiguing, but do you have to remove your bars to get at the contents?

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snsb replied to srchar | 4 years ago
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I carry inner tubes , Allen keys , patches,tyre levers , CO2 in a small under saddle bag. The items in the stem are a backup but it would only take 5 mins to take off the handlebars and put back on. Where do most people keep emergency money safe , secure and dry ?

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Pilot Pete replied to snsb | 4 years ago
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Money is plastic now so dampness isn't a problem...

PP

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Hirsute replied to Pilot Pete | 4 years ago
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I use my phone for nearly all purchases now. I can't even remember when I last used a card. They even accepted contactless on the bread stall in the high st last week.

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srchar replied to snsb | 4 years ago
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snsb wrote:

I carry inner tubes , Allen keys , patches,tyre levers , CO2 in a small under saddle bag. The items in the stem are a backup but it would only take 5 mins to take off the handlebars and put back on. Where do most people keep emergency money safe , secure and dry?

I carry a roll of sovereigns in my seat tube. I can ride across continents knowing that I'm carrying a widely accepted method of payment. And they can be used to bribe the guards.

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0-0 replied to snsb | 4 years ago
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snsb wrote:

With the stem being hollow and waterproof I have jammed two £20.00 notes ; some small cable ties ; puncture patches etc. No real added weight , fairly easy to get to and fortunately so far never used.

Thank you  1

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Pilot Pete replied to snsb | 4 years ago
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Sounds very inconvenient to me. Plus self adhesive patches age and dry out so unless yours are old style glued patches, leaving them in the stem for any length of time without regularly inspecting them may mean when you need them they are useless.

I just carry a debit card and cash in my phone wallet. Can't see the point of having to remove your handlebars or stem to get at them....each to their own though.

PP

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nopants | 4 years ago
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When I used inner tubes I used to carry the same as you, but no pump. I don't think I ever had a situation where I wasn't able to get home except for a couple of terminal side-wall failures.

I've gone tubeless, and seem to be puncturing all the time, so I added a mini-pump too. Most very small punctures seem to seal at a lower pressure (well below the 80psi I ride at). Anything much bigger than a pinhole that does seal takes me down to 'get-me-home-at-walking-pace' pressures.

I have now ditched the co2 - it is easier to top up just a bit with a pump, and to get to a point where you are not blowing the sealant out every time.

I would drop to mini pump, tyre boot, tyre levers on multi tool and a small lightweight inner tube like a continental supersonic. IME it would be a big mistake to ditch the inner tube.

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0-0 replied to nopants | 4 years ago
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nopants wrote:

When I used inner tubes I used to carry the same as you, but no pump. I don't think I ever had a situation where I wasn't able to get home except for a couple of terminal side-wall failures.

I've gone tubeless, and seem to be puncturing all the time, so I added a mini-pump too. Most very small punctures seem to seal at a lower pressure (well below the 80psi I ride at). Anything much bigger than a pinhole that does seal takes me down to 'get-me-home-at-walking-pace' pressures.

I have now ditched the co2 - it is easier to top up just a bit with a pump, and to get to a point where you are not blowing the sealant out every time.

I would drop to mini pump, tyre boot, tyre levers on multi tool and a small lightweight inner tube like a continental supersonic. IME it would be a big mistake to ditch the inner tube.

Thank you very much for the advice  1

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Pilot Pete replied to nopants | 4 years ago
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And therein lies a big problem with tubeless at road pressures. Many punctures don't seal at 80psi, especially larger ones and you are down to around 30psi with sealant sprayed everywhere before they seal. You pump it back up and the plug of sealant blows out. CO2 will invariably blow it up to a pressure that will blow it out. So you need a tyre worm, and applicator tool, some more sealant and a pump/ CO2.

If you are of the 'always carry a spare tube' brigade then you need even more gear. You need really strong tyre levers, and a spare inner tube. I would caution against a Conti Supersonic which are paper thin - great because they take up hardly any room to carry, but if you need tyre levers to get a tubeless tyre back on the rim (which many do, and can be quite a battle even at home in the workshop with warmth, coffee and no rain), there is a very strong chance of nicking any tube, even more so with a Supersonic. So your emergency tube is potentially useless. I wouldn't use a Supersonic unless I knew I could get the tyre on the beads without using tyre levers. Been ther and done that with clinchers and ditched the SuperSonics as spares...

It all comes down to how often you puncture. I get one or two a year, riding in all conditions. So for me, the extra faff of a tubeless set up not working isn't worth the hassle. Even more so when rims and tyres aren't all designed to the same standard thus some combinations are nigh on impossible to mount. I'll stick to two normal tyre levers, a spare tube, extra patches and boot and a mini pump. Never failed me, and a five minute repair every time.

PP

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Chris Hayes | 4 years ago
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Carry a tubeless repair kit by any means, but DO NOT - whatever you do - buy a Lezyne one.  

Just back from a cold, wet and windy ride in Norfolk, a large part of which was spent covered in slim by the roadside trying to fix a puncture.  I tried to plug the tyre, but the fork mechanism is so wide you need to apply a massive amount of force to get the plug through and so you stand a fair chance of damaging the rim tape.

I've long thought Lezyne a sh1t brand, but gave them the benefit of the doubt on the tyre plug, I mean, it was compact, well priced and how hard could it be to design one? 

An inner tube saved my day....another day like today and I'll be an innertube convert.

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0-0 replied to Chris Hayes | 4 years ago
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Chris Hayes wrote:

Carry a tubeless repair kit by any means, but DO NOT - whatever you do - buy a Lezyne one.  

Just back from a cold, wet and windy ride in Norfolk, a large part of which was spent covered in slim by the roadside trying to fix a puncture.  I tried to plug the tyre, but the fork mechanism is so wide you need to apply a massive amount of force to get the plug through and so you stand a fair chance of damaging the rim tape.

I've long thought Lezyne a sh1t brand, but gave them the benefit of the doubt on the tyre plug, I mean, it was compact, well priced and how hard could it be to design one? 

An inner tube saved my day....another day like today and I'll be an innertube convert.

I'm sorry to hear you had problems.
But thank you for the advice.

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Secret_squirrel replied to Chris Hayes | 4 years ago
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Thats odd. Ive had 2 causes to use my Lezyne tool and none of the issues you've faced. First one plugged perfectly, 2nd failed to seal because the cut in the tyre was C or J shaped and I dont believe any plug would have sealed ir. Sealed enough to limp home at low pressure then fixed with a patch on the inside.

It stands to reason that a tool designed to pierce a tyre is going to threaten rim tape. Thats basic physics.

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Pilot Pete replied to Secret_squirrel | 4 years ago
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I reckon many people don't understand that you want to poke the spike through at a very shallow angle rather than straight in perpendicular to the tyre surface....

PP

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Hirsute replied to Chris Hayes | 4 years ago
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Dynaplug micro pro is a beautiful piece of engineering. You should have no rim tape issues due to the rounded ends.
The stans dart gun sounds useful too.

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Pilot Pete replied to Chris Hayes | 4 years ago
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Surely that is designed for mtb tyres and not road? Bit unfair to blame the company if you are using the wrong tools.

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0-0 | 4 years ago
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Thank you very much hawkinspeter, peted76 and Westy.
Great advice  1

(I couldn't get the multi quote to work).

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Westy | 4 years ago
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I changed to tubeless about 4 years ago, and haven't had a flat since (have had 2 or 3 punctures I didn't know about at the time as they self sealed). I use Stans Race Sealant, injected through Milkit valves, and checked/replaced every 2-3 months, with either Schwalbe Pro-One or Hutchison/Mavic tyres). For the first year I still carried puncture repair stuff and a tube, but for the last 3 years (about 20k miles) I have only carried a phone - haven't had to use it for a help call even once. Down side is that I haven't been able to help others with problems, something I would always have done previously.

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peted76 | 4 years ago
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I carry one of those stans dart things (not used it yet), a small bottle (30ml) of sealant, valve core remover & mini pump. Which I suppose would replace: inner tube, mini pump and tyre levers.

The way I look at it is, if I had a tyre failure which couldn't be repaired with some additional sealant OR a plug and some additional sealant, then I'm probably calling a taxi. 

On the odd few times a year I go 'away' and might find myself stuck for a lift/taxi/train home then I'll also take a small pack of tyre patches with me (like tube patches but thicker). 

Probably tempting fate and all, but I'm pretty unfussy as to the kind of surface I ride.. the 'only' time I've had a tyre failiure which required a broom wagon.. was a sidewall tear about a third of the way around Hell Of the North Cotswolds in 2018, that was on 33mm Schwalbe X-One Speeds, which weren't the most suited to that kind of terrain.

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hawkinspeter | 4 years ago
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I carry a dynaplug racer, spare tube, mini pump, CO2 cannister plus injector, tyre levers, minitool, chain tool, spare links and a park tool tyre boot. Definitely too much as I rarely use any of that. I did give the spare tube to a punctured cyclist near Keynsham the other day, so I'm glad that I've bothered carrying it unused for so long.

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0-0 replied to hawkinspeter | 4 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

I carry a dynaplug racer, spare tube, mini pump, CO2 cannister plus injector, tyre levers, minitool, chain tool, spare links and a park tool tyre boot. Definitely too much as I rarely use any of that. I did give the spare tube to a punctured cyclist near Keynsham the other day, so I'm glad that I've bothered carrying it unused for so long.

Thank you.
You sound like you also need to reduce the bulk  3

Do you think my pared down list sounds OK or too risky?

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hawkinspeter replied to 0-0 | 4 years ago
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hawkinspeter wrote:

I carry a dynaplug racer, spare tube, mini pump, CO2 cannister plus injector, tyre levers, minitool, chain tool, spare links and a park tool tyre boot. Definitely too much as I rarely use any of that. I did give the spare tube to a punctured cyclist near Keynsham the other day, so I'm glad that I've bothered carrying it unused for so long.

Thank you. You sound like you also need to reduce the bulk  3 Do you think my pared down list sounds OK or too risky?

Sounds fine to me. Ultimately it depends on how lucky you are and what risk you're happy to accept. Personally I'm always thinking in terms of how things go wrong (I work with computers) and it really bugs me if it's something that's easy to fix with the right tool and foresight.

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Nick T | 4 years ago
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That's a lot of stuff. I thought tubeless was about less faff? I'd have thought a mini pump and a spare tube would suffice. Swap the tube for a dynaplug perhaps. 

I only carry a spare tubular, a mini pump, 1 tyre lever to help get a flat tub off, plus wallet and phone. Only had to get a train once in 10 years, when I forgot my spare tyre

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0-0 replied to Nick T | 4 years ago
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Nick T wrote:

That's a lot of stuff. I thought tubeless was about less faff? I'd have thought a mini pump and a spare tube would suffice. Swap the tube for a dynaplug perhaps. 

I only carry a spare tubular, a mini pump, 1 tyre lever to help get a flat tub off, plus wallet and phone. Only had to get a train once in 10 years, when I forgot my spare tyre

Thank you for your help.
I think the faffness increases when it goes wrong  1

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