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Worst Car Drivers Are?:
Well a controversial little post, but ill put it out there.
During my past 6 years of cycling on the road i have observed that the worst makes car drivers are in reverse order.
3rd - BMW - 50/50 knob head/arrogance
2nd - Audi - Rude, Impatient, God Complex, General Wanker
1st - Peugeot - Utterly Shite at Driving, Zero road sense/spacial awareness. No road craft or any idea how to act around anything, let alone cyclists.
Sub areas:
Taxi Drivers - Worst "Professional" drivers going.
Courier drivers (mainly white van ones) - I know these guys are on piece pay, but there are other road users.
Police cars - Similar to Audi drivers. (although i know ill need the help of these guys one day - hopefully not soon!)
Anyone driving with a Hat on, or in the vicinity of the vehicle. - My Driving instructor always said to watch out for said "Mad Hatters" and its saved me countless accidents - Not sure why, but the hat seems to suck out driving ability!
So, to wrap it up - Its an angry post. Sorry!
Comment as you will. Agree/Disagree, Argue your point across.
As you were.
If you're new please join in and if you have questions pop them below and the forum regulars will answer as best we can.
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Um - whether or not you're intended to continue cycling past it, it's still a chicane....
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The answer is 70 apparently. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/tear-jerking-powerful-video-ask...
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Since (relatively) shortly after the carboniferous! Or perhaps the mesolithic?
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DAMN THAT'S… let's say, not my taste 😏
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It's so tiring, all these brands using eloquent marketing language to show how unique and premium they are....
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Nearly... (more so in the US - the problem is are they aware of their passengers and the humans around them?)
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My condolences to David Lang's family. It really is terrible....
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I am so sad to read about the loss of Aidan, my heartfelt condolences to his family and friends and team-mates
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With most lights, though, this approach will quickly lead to your light flapping loosely while pointing mostly at your front wheel.
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Around these parts, Derby way, builders vans without fail, regardless of make.
I'd also like to throw in Mini drivers too, thanks to the idiot who thought passing me on a blind cresting bend with double white lines this morning was driving appropriately.
Luckily, I could hear the articulated lorry approaching in the other direction, so could take evasive action, but it does make you wonder what their mindset is.
And yet according to those insurance figures Peugeot drivers have below average accidents which contradicts the stereo-typing from some on here...
Although the German marques have more than average accidents, confirming my observations!!
Must say, I'd never thought of Peugeot drivers as being especially agressive types - where did that come from?
As to whether there is any substance to the charge that certain makes attract certain types, intuitively I'd have thought that would be the case. Audi would agree moreover, their famous ad from the 90s was all about that: "During the commercial, the protagonist talks about how the car you choose tells people what kind of person you are, all while hurtling through traffic and hurling abuse at fellow road users."
https://www.campaignlive.co.uk/article/mid-90s-audi-ad-drove-home-its-me...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7qI4no2xDco
Perhaps Peugeot drivers dont claim on thier insurance as much? The cars arent worth claiming on?
Worst forum posts are?
- Those where an attempt is made to categorise whole swathes of individuals based on an irrelevant common denominator.
To wrap it up, you're jealous of BMW and Audi drivers, feel superior to Peugeot drivers, and are scared of the police and builders.
I'm not the OP but, nope - I have no aspirational interest in marques of cars. I like riding my bikes and messing with my bikes. At a practical level, I might use car identities to assess likely driver behaviour/ competence, preferably before it happens/affects me.
I do have a car, but it's not especially important to me e.g. as part of my identity. From A to B, is all.
Usually around now a cyclist Audi or BMW driver pops-up and makes his pitch. C'mon, We're waiting.
An irrelevant common denominator - like being held to be a red light running, pavement riding, pensioner knocking over, Lycra-clad cyclist? There is a no stereotyping high ground approach one can take, I accept that - but we all need a bit of cheering-up some times. Eh? Eh? Go on, g'is a grin...
I like riding and messing with my bikes too. And like driving and messing with my cars, one of which is currently sitting in the garage with its engine and rear suspension next to it and none of which wear badges with four rings or the colours of the Bavarian flag.
Why would this cheer anyone up ?
You ok Hun?
Yeah, you're spot on to all of those things.
What do you drive? An Audi Q7?
"You OK hun" says the bloke who posted an epic whinge, asked "agree/disagree" and is now butthurt that he wasn't posting into an echo chamber?
Not that it matters, but: Golf, plus some track toys.
An epic whinge maybe, but cycling has a list of positives associated with it too long list here - it's the behaviour/competence of some of these drivers, the lethal consequences, that now make cycling largely the preserve of (us) die-hards and fanatics; heaven help anyone having the nerve to ride two abreast.
I've said for a while that many more people in this country are just longing to cycle more - let April 2020 and its unseasonable sunshine go down as a footnote in history as the window when this became a fleeting reality.
Yes. And those behaviors and competencies have nothing to do with the make of a driver's car. What do you reckon a considerate Audi/BMW driver thinks (yes, they do exist) when they read guff like the above?
They probably agree, as they are more than aware of the type of drivers that "normally" drive those makes.
Funny how you didnt mention Peugoet drivers though.....
Didn't feel the need to exhaustively regurgitate the drivel you posted.
Just 2 thirds of it though.
"Sub areas"
If you're coming on to have an argument, at least construct a good one. And if you're coming on to troll, at least be funny.
I get the feeling you'd argue the opposite to anything, just for the sake of arguing.....Must be difficult carrying that potato sack on your shoulder.
Don't know, but maybe they just don't like posts that seem to promote prejudice and stereotyping, and portray outgroup homogeneity nonsense as a "a bit of cheering-up". They might not be alone.
Changing the subject and engaging in little bit of ad hominem is not a great step forward either, IMO of course..
You literally wrote "Argue your point across." Which I did, because you're no different to a driver who thinks all cyclists jump red lights. Clearly you didn't mean it, because all you have in response is a lazy insult, which is unsurprising, since that's all your original post contains. While you did at least have the decency to apologise in advance for shitposting, I'm afraid there's only one person with a chip on their shoulder here - you.
Problem is, we all become subject to our own confirmation biases.
No 1 for me are large pick-up trucks with some silly name like Amarok, Ram or Animal.
Marauder, Barbarian, or Defender even. Look at me, I'm a tarmac Davy Crockett, I'm both Duke boys, a lone wolf sub-urban cowboy, a modern day Mad Max - on my way to Asda and B&M, where I'll wonder why I find it so difficult to park. I won't be coming in the store. Damn - I forgot to hang my arm out of the window for all of thirty seconds there.
Lovely to know that it's safety first, with these things. More unpleasant and unnecessary (it's Berkshire, not Utah) than downright dangerous, though?
On the league table, whatever happened to the sedate pipe smoking, leather elbow patches wearing Volvo driver? The one Who did most of the teaching in my senior school?
This data is taken from an insurance database and shows the percentages of drivers who had an accident in the previous 5 years vs the car the drive. It's about 10 years old.
Generally BMWs are only slightly worse than average. White BMWs are the 2nd worst, beaten only by Grey Lexuses (Lexi?).
Some fascinating stats there. What is it about grey Suzukis and white Daihatsus that make them so different to the other colours?
Probably* subgrouping 882 error.
https://xkcd.com/882/
*by which I mean a hypothesis which could be tested if we had the population sizes for each data point.
it isn't the brand or series of car but where it sits in the range and hierarchy. I'm frequently blasted toward a verge/kerb by M140i drivers or similar, than I am 1 Series in general. Narrowing it down... anything lower range (read 1,2,3,4,A,B,C) and AMG, RS, F or M badged will often fly by closely at high speed which i can only assume is because they have an urgent appointment to burn rubber in a fast food outlet or supermarket car park. French car drivers are probably distracted by wondering what that noise is and whether they'll get home without roadside assistance. And the Korean brands.. often and most scarily driven by people who give you loads of space but don't change down a gear and chug past slowly as you pray to not witness a head on collision at close quarters. All in my experience of course - other brands of crap driving are widely available too. (So says the driver of a 'proper' BMW.)
yes, the wannabe cars are a particular problem - e.g. the littler Discovery model for those who couldn't afford the one the size of a van.
Comes down to distinguishing between aggression ("I've got things to prove") and incompetence (" ") Nope, nothing going on in there at all.
They are both dangerous and annoying in their different ways. Not sure about your sub-areas, but the hat thing is spot-on - cloth cap, as my father used to say.
Your Peugeot could of course be a lot of different makes - the car is usually 05 or older, nondescript with an air of neglect about it and at least one lamp out.
The vital thing to remember with these drivers - you can test this multiple ways when you're out and about - is that these are are people who can process one piece of information about the road conditions roughly every three seconds - if you're cycling, you're processing several pieces almost continuously to stay alive and upright. "What's my assessment of the car I can hear coming up behind me? What's the nose of that car in that side road going to do next? Oh watch out, the car in front has just seen his mate walking on the pavement." Etc.
A couple good ways to spot a "Peugeot" by car - one is to follow them down an A or B road with villages every few miles - variant (a) does 45 mph in all conditions and speed limits; variant (b) drives on his brakes - he comes to a bend or meets another car - he brakes. As you say, these are people who cannot judge speed or distance.
Look also for the dog roaming loose on the back seat.
Another way is at busy roundabouts and junctions - watch them miss three decent opportunities to move off safely, then they get flustered and then go when they shouldn't.
Preaching to the converted sista!
You give me such an easy ride.
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I think your data lacks granularity. I've narrowed it down to BMW Series 1 drivers specifically. My analysis is that being able to afford only the pretend version of a BMW they have to go that bit harder to prove their formula 1 credentials - kind of a "small man syndrome" for cars. That, and they tend to be younger than those who can afford a proper BMW.
I have berated people for not being able to afford a proper car - Like the BMW X3, or Audi Q5. It really winds them up!
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