Support road.cc

Like this site? Help us to make it better.

Scottish Road Share campaign steers presumed liability law towards Parliament

Road safety group look to introduce European-style strict liability legislation to Scottish civil law

Cycling campaign group, Road Share, is drawing on expertise from organisations including CTC, Scottish Cycling and Pedal on Parliament as it steps up its campaign for Scotland to adopt a law of presumed liability against motorists involved in collisions with people on bikes.

Road Share’s Campaign for Stricter Liability is targeting the introduction of liability laws that would deem motorists automatically liable in incidents with cyclists, unless it can be proved that the cyclist was at fault.

As it stands, the UK is one of only five EU countries that do not have a presumed liability law in place, which are based on a hierarchy of road users, with the most vulnerable afforded the greatest protection.

Under the system there is a presumption of liability against a lorry driver involved in a collision with a car, for example, or against a cyclist involved in an incident with a pedestrian.

A petition calling for a change in Scottish liability legislation has been active since April last year and has attracted 5,500 signatures.

In order to focus its efforts on lobbying the Scottish Parliament for the legislation, Road Share has set up a steering committee.

The committee has been tasked with analysing the benefits of civil law reform on road safety while also lobbying MSPs for a Member’s Bill for presumed liability in traffic collisions to Holyrood in the near future.

According to Glasgow-based newspaper The Herald, the steering committee is made up of 14 individuals from a number of key cycling organisations, including CTC, Scottish Cycling, Cycle Law Scotland and Pedal on Parliament which is coincidentally due to hold its third annual ride to Holyrood in Ediburgh this weekend to call for cycling-friendly Scottish roads.

Under the principle of presumed liability that Road Share wants to see introduced, in a collision between a car and a cyclist, the driver would be deemed liable and must pay full damages if the collision was unintentional by both parties and the cyclist cannot be proved to have been at fault in some way.

Similar laws operate in the majority of European countries, including in the Netherlands since the early 1990s.

Road Share references the continental cycling experience in a Q&A on its website where it cites strict liability laws as one of the contributing factors to the positive cycling culture in countries such as Belgium and the Netherlands.

It says: “Those of us who have cycled on the continent know that there is a very different relationship between motor vehicles and cyclists, one based on respect that was brought about in part by stricter liability.”

The campaign’s steering committee is to be chaired by national cycling charity CTC councillor Dr Chris Oliver, while other prominent Scottish cycling supporting councillors Frank McAveety and Jim Orr are due to join him.

The founder of  Cycle Law Scotland, Brenda Mitchell, who established the Road Share campaign last year, spoke to The Herald about the formation of the steering committee.

She said: "I am very pleased to see representatives from a number of different key organisations come together to work on this very important campaign."

You can keep up with Road Share's progress via its Facebook and Twitter feeds.

Add new comment

49 comments

Avatar
jmaccelari | 10 years ago
0 likes

Hells teeth! Those London pedestrians are going to get even worse!

Avatar
Kim | 10 years ago
0 likes

In 1982 Lord Denning stated that:

In the present state of motor traffic, I am persuaded the any civilized system of law should require, as a matter of principal, that the person who uses this dangerous instrument on the road – dealing death and destruction all round – should be liable to make compensation to anyone who is killed or injured in consequence of the use of it. There should be liability without proof of fault.

To require an injured person to prove fault results in the gravest injustice to many innocent persons who have not the wherewithal to prove it.

Thirty two years on this state of injustice remains on our roads, it is time for change!

Avatar
big mick | 10 years ago
0 likes

Having rode a lot in Spain where it's is already law trust me it works.No cars or hgv's come near.Infact they give way on roundabouts when they have right of way and never come close when passing.It feels strange at first but safe.Only ex pats (brits) come close.They pass close and sure enough the GB badge is on the back.Also they always look too old to be driving the ex pats that is!!

Avatar
crazy-legs replied to big mick | 10 years ago
0 likes
big mick wrote:

Having rode a lot in Spain where it's is already law trust me it works.No cars or hgv's come near.Infact they give way on roundabouts when they have right of way and never come close when passing.

Spain has a few other laws in addition to Presumed Liability and one is that a peloton of cyclists is treated as one vehicle. So if the front of the peloton gets onto a roundabout or through a junction, the rest of it is legally entitled to follow, even if the lights change or there is another vehicle coming round the roundabout that (in the UK) would have right of way.

Very similar to an articulated lorry driving through a junction.
I'm fairly sure Spain also has a 1.5m minimum passing law (anyone care to back me up on that?). It also has a very strong culture of cycling so chances are even if the driver doesn't actually cycle, they'll still be very proud of the Vuelta, Indurain, Contador etc.

Presumed Liability in the UK would be probably the single biggest Good Thing for any politician to do for cycling.

Avatar
Housecathst | 10 years ago
0 likes

They might have half a chance of getting this through in Scotland. However in England the daily mail and sun reads would take to the street in revolution if this idea came anywhere near becoming law.

No political party would go aware near this idea because of the right wing media.

Avatar
PhilRuss replied to Housecathst | 10 years ago
0 likes
Housecathst wrote:

They might have half a chance of getting this through in Scotland. However in England the daily mail and sun reads would take to the street in revolution.....

[[[[[ Daily Mail and The Sun readers revolting? How very dare you!
P.R.

Avatar
FatAndFurious | 10 years ago
0 likes

Do you know, this is the first time I've actually seen "Strict Liability" explained in a way which actually makes sense to me?

I've previously been flatly opposed to the idea, believing it to take away the presumption of innocence. Now, I'm more comfortable with the concept.

So to check: Is this a valid breakdown from a cyclist's perspective:

Collide with a pedestrian?
No evidence to back you up?
Pay up.

If so, I think it would now be a very foolish cyclist who does not, at the very least, take out third-party insurance. We're strictly liable.

Avatar
Kim replied to FatAndFurious | 10 years ago
0 likes

The bicycle has been around for over 130 year and all that time there has never been a requirement for cyclists to have insurance. Motorist have been legal required to have third party insurance since 1903, seven years after the first pedestrian was killed by a car. The reason that cyclists are not, and have not ever been, required to have third party insurance is because they do very little harm to other.

In the event that Presumed Liability becomes law, I see no reason why I would need to go out and get third party insurance, because I ride with care and attention, and therefore don't pose a threat to pedestrians. This such a law would have no negative consequence for me because I do not ride in a reckless manner. Only the reckless have anything to fear from Presumed Liability.

Avatar
FatAndFurious replied to Kim | 10 years ago
0 likes
Kim wrote:

Only the reckless have anything to fear from Presumed Liability.

No. The liable have everything to fear from the reckless.

One witness-less incident with the witless and you are worth less.

Avatar
jacknorell replied to FatAndFurious | 10 years ago
0 likes
neildmoss wrote:
Kim wrote:

Only the reckless have anything to fear from Presumed Liability.

No. The liable have everything to fear from the reckless.

One witness-less incident with the witless and you are worth less.

Except the experience of all countries with strict liability doesn't show this. At all.

Regardless of what the Daily Fail says.

Avatar
Joeinpoole replied to Kim | 10 years ago
0 likes
Kim wrote:

The bicycle has been around for over 130 year and all that time there has never been a requirement for cyclists to have insurance. Motorist have been legal required to have third party insurance since 1903, seven years after the first pedestrian was killed by a car. The reason that cyclists are not, and have not ever been, required to have third party insurance is because they do very little harm to other.

In the event that Presumed Liability becomes law, I see no reason why I would need to go out and get third party insurance, because I ride with care and attention, and therefore don't pose a threat to pedestrians. This such a law would have no negative consequence for me because I do not ride in a reckless manner. Only the reckless have anything to fear from Presumed Liability.

I believe most of us will already have liability insurance through our Home Buildings & Contents insurance. I'm covered within the UK on mine.

Avatar
dgcorp | 10 years ago
0 likes

As a regular cyclist and occasional driver, I'm very much for this type of legislation to be implemented (across the whole of the UK please!!). Two things spring to mind:

Isn't hierarchical presumed liability similar to the way that if there is a collision of one vehicle into the back of another, it is understood that it is always the following vehicles fault, "should have left sufficient braking distance" (unless it can be shown the front vehicle did something reckless).
- Aren't most drivers aware of this?
- Can't this be given as a example of how it would work that they would understand?

Failing better driver education, can't the campaign to get the law just focus on 2 aspects: a) When a lorry hits a car it's presumed the lorries fault, b) When a cyclist hits a pedestrian, it's presumed the cyclists fault. Those 2 should get the car drivers cheering the new law on (before the fully grasp the Car to Cyclists relationship :-p )

D :>

Avatar
kie7077 replied to dgcorp | 10 years ago
0 likes

@dgcorp

it's presumed the cyclists fault.

No change there then!

Anyhow, I have heard good arguments saying that this won't make any difference. I'd still like to see it written in stone though because there is still far too much victim blaming going on.

Avatar
Kim | 10 years ago
0 likes

This move it long over due, I have written a number of posts about Strict Liability and I fully support this move.

Avatar
kie7077 replied to Kim | 10 years ago
0 likes
Kim wrote:

This move it long over due, I have written a number of posts about Strict Liability and I fully support this move.

Good blog, this bit I especially liked:

Founder of Cycle Law Scotland, Brenda Mitchell has 25 years’ experience as a personal injuries lawyer. She said:

"We constantly see cases where the driver blames the cyclist, but when it is put to the test, it is bad driving that is to blame. If we seriously want to make Scotland a cycle-friendly nation, we have to start by understanding that good driving standards are fundamental.

My strongly held belief is that if we introduce a system of presumed liability in civil law, drivers will change their mindset towards cyclists on the road."

Because it's not about who is to blame after the fact, it is about deterring bad driving in the first place.

Avatar
IanW1968 | 10 years ago
0 likes

I imagine UK insurers wouldnt be keen on this change.

Avatar
format replied to IanW1968 | 10 years ago
0 likes

Insurers should be jumping at this. Most of their costs are incurred from going to court, and Presumed Liability would drastically reduce the likelihood of a case getting that far.

Avatar
IanW1968 replied to format | 10 years ago
0 likes
format wrote:

Insurers should be jumping at this. Most of their costs are incurred from going to court, and Presumed Liability would drastically reduce the likelihood of a case getting that far.

Mmmm not sure about that, If most of the costs were from courts they could avoid those now by accepting liability without dispute.

Whilst you would hope driver behaviour changed and claims were minimal there'll be some additional costs and those will be borne by insurers firstly and premium payers in the end.

Don't get me wrong I agree in principle with the idea but I wonder if the campaigners have sort a view from motor insurers.

Avatar
format replied to IanW1968 | 10 years ago
0 likes

Mmmm not sure about that, If most of the costs were from courts they could avoid those now by accepting liability without dispute.

Most cases don't go to court - insurers will settle out of court after dragging their feet for as long as possible.

What Presumed Liability will help with is helping vulnerable road users be compensated quickly and fairly for their injuries and losses. At the minute you can have people waiting years for a resolution to their case, which is entirely unfair.

Pages

Latest Comments