Watteam to offer £300 PowerBeat powermeter + video

This could wipe the floor with the competition. Not the best looking thing though.

I don't understand why the Chinese don't make power meters, they're good at that sort of thing, judging by all the electronics they make. They could sell them for £9.99!

pwake: Interesting. I've been trying to figure out how this thing could possibly work, or read from others on the same. Yours is the most plausible I've read so far.

Thing is, on F = ma. For this formulae to be meaningful in the context of the power the rider is producing, the m and a have to refer to the bicycle. If you measure just a mass and its acceleration confined in that rotational system around the crank, surely the force and hence the resultant power that you're measuring is /only/ the power being dissipated in that rotational system? Which doesn't seem that interesting?

E.g., if I'm spinning my cranks smoothly and easily at, say 95 rpm on the flat, how could this powermeter possibly distinguish this from spinning smoothly but with more force at 95 rpm up a hill in a lower gear?

I just get the feeling there must be some huge assumptions being made this power meter. ??

Looks and sounds good, if tests well should sell well at £500 or<.

can Road.cc moderators delete all the BS posts about Israel. Keep these posts for another forum, I want to read peoples opinions on cycling ONLY!!

Oh, my only problem with the WWII SS analogy is that analogies are a really bad form of argument. However, there is definitely a most tragic irony in how the descendents of a people who were so desperately persecuted in Russia and Europe, culminating in the genocide of many of them, would then go and do onto others as was done to them. Those others had no part in what happened to the Jewish people in Europe and Russia.

The IDF is being used to confine Palestinians in ghettos in the West Bank, subject to military law, and a large, blockaded, open-air prison in Gaza. While settlers are allowed to annex the West Bank, hill top by hill top, olive grove by olive grove. The IDF practice collective punishment (a war crime), blowing up apartment blocks of families, because 1 person is suspected of being part of the resistance. Etc. Every few years, the IDF "mow the lawn" in Gaza, killing thousands and displacing many more, again a means of collective punishment.

It is a terrible, tragic irony which is not lost on many Jewish people either, including holocaust survivors, who greatly disapprove of what Israel is doing.

What propaganda have I spouted? Other than jumping on the analogy, I've tried hard in my previous comments to stick to objective facts. Point out a factual error I've made - I'll be glad to hear of it so I won't make it again.

PS: Your previous comment basically says the French had allies, the Palestinians don't. What, exactly, are you inviting the reader to conclude? That killing thousands of Palestinians, most of them civilians, many of them children, is therefore perfectly acceptable?

It may have escaped your attention that these actions are causing Israel to lose friends. Which may eventually cause our western governments to back off on the aid and open trade Israel currently enjoys from and with them.

Finally, my aim is to support the right of all those in Israel and Palestine to peace, justice and security. I try to support the Israeli progressive left, and the non-violent resistance/civil-rights moment on the Palestinian side, to advance that goal.

Middle eastern history..... why focus on the last few weeks? The past few thousand years are far more interesting?
But these 'home made' rockets? The ones with 'Made on Tehran' written on them? Ineffective....

HalfWheeler: Indeed, and when the SS would retaliate to resistance attacks by going into villages and massacring everyone they could find, that was completely justified too.

E.g. these murderous arab scum, sorry french villagers, totally had it coming to them, given what the french resistance did to the righteous and moral SS:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oradour-sur-Glane

Joava54: In particular, the many hundreds of children who were killed. I'm pretty sure they couldn't have been in any way responsible for any prior attacks on my country.

How many Israeli children have Gaza Hamas killed in the last year again? Pretty sure it's 0.

jova54: The chartered intention of Likud is to get all the land. What's your point exactly?

I know what I'd do, I wouldn't kill hundreds of civilians of the other side *before* they'd killed any of mine. I wouldn't attack them when they were honouring a cease-fire for over a year. I wouldn't go make up a reason to attack them. I couldn't live with myself if I did that really.

Oh, the biggest existential threat Israel as a righteous, democratic, Jewish state are those right-wingers who refuse to make peace with the Palestinians.

If Israel does not make peace, it is responsible for the Palestinians under its control, in which case it can not be both democratic and Jewish.

To stay Jewish, while retaining control of all land and people west of the Jordan, it can not be democratic. It must instead deny the human rights of circa half the people living west of the Jordan, or it must ethnically cleanse the Palestinians.

The former is abhorrent to any right-thinking person with a shred of humanity. The latter would stain the character of Israel forever.

The right-wing of Israel, in driving Israel to a point where two-state is impossible, have done the most to threaten its existence in recent times.

Oh, and some other objective facts:

Netanyahu's Likud party, the main party of Israel's government:

1. Does not recognise the right of Palestine to exist, in its charter.

2. Claims *all* the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan as being for Israel.

http://www.juancole.com/2014/08/charter-destruction-palestinian.html

Netanyahu is quite clear on point 2, e.g. recently:

http://972mag.com/netanyahu-clarifies-the-occupation-will-last-forever/9...

The other parties in Israel's governing coalition are even more right-wing than Likud.

Now for my opinion: This conflict has nothing to do with Israel facing an existential threat from Hamas or the Palestinians. It is about the Israeli right wanting the land for Israel (their invisible sky friend says it's theirs!), and waging a long, deliberate, slow campaign of strangulation to ethnically cleanse their "Eretz Israel" of Palestinians.

Actually, that isn't even my opinion, because the right-wing in Israel are quite open that this is their goal - this is a member of the ruling coalition in Israel and a deputy speaker of the Knesset:

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/15326

He's not alone:

http://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/israeli-lawmakers-call-...

This is about grabbing the land.

Israel is not the only country in the world that are doing bad things.

I don't see anyone getting rid of there American, Japanese, Italian, Chinese, English etc products (They give money to weapons to Israel) as well as doing there own human rights violations.

When you empty your homes of all the products from all the country's that are doing atrocious things maybe you will have a leg to stand on, instead of being a bandwagon banner waver.

I guess you will be taking all the items from the above places to the skip in protest (bye bye bike and accessories, bye computer and phones)

It's a blooming cycling forum

would be nice to have a list of different cycle computers its fully compatible with. Not mentioned on their website. Also what IPX rating it has been tested to if at all due to its location on the pedal/crank if it can withstand water submersion.

How many of these will be sent back due to the English weather and road gunk and salt killing it.

Think I'll be keeping an eye on DC Rainmaker's site for an in depth review of this when it's released. He does extremely in depth reviews on kit.

What will a power meter tell me, simple, I don't generate enough

Looks a bit flimsy.

I'm into power measurement, I just still think it's too early to invest, I like to get 30 years out my kit!

lookmanohands: The people in Watteam in Israel could be the nicest & most reasonable people in the world. However, if you buy this powermeter you're still going to be choosing to put money into and help support the economy of a violently racist, land-grabbing, apartheid state.

If you're fine with that…

A UN spokesperson ought to have stated, "Israel bombs the houses of Palestinians who lob missiles at Israeli civilians, so we provide them with concrete so that they can make tunnels to kill more civilians, instead of homes, schools or factories".