Work starts on £1 million Port Salford Greenway

Andy G wrote:

£1 million! Really for a mile of cycle path that probably only slightly reworks an existing path and doesn't actually go near the port it's supposed to feed into.
I'm not saying it's not welcome, but the cost is ridiculous, but typical of this country and it's not linked into a viable cycle network.

So not that familiar with the costs of civil engineering then? Course you could get Mr A Pikey and his mates to tarmac it with some of what they had left over from a job round the corner But that might result in you having to dig it up again and resurface it next year. Ideally it needs proper HRA (hot rolled asphalt) either that or bitmac both of which are expensive to lay but are durable and easy to maintain.

I doubt Mr A Pikey would be interested in doing the proper ground work to stop it being an ice rink even in a mild frost, or the proper layered drainage to ensure it doesn't flood in a light rain. Add some civils for the lights or signage

A mile of new motorway is on average£30m. If it's elevated just add a zero. If it goes underground add two zeroes.

£1 for a proper newly laid durable safe path. - Bargain.

You're obviously not familiar with the quality of cycle paths around here. Mr A.Pikey seems to have a monopoly on the quality of them.
The cost of our cycle paths compared with cost and quality of those on the continent is embarrassing. Look at the last two paragraphs of this story from earlier in the week -
http://road.cc/content/news/134039-belgiums-east-flanders-province-plans...

oozaveared wrote:

Andy G wrote:

£1 million! Really for a mile of cycle path that probably only slightly reworks an existing path and doesn't actually go near the port it's supposed to feed into.
I'm not saying it's not welcome, but the cost is ridiculous, but typical of this country and it's not linked into a viable cycle network.

So not that familiar with the costs of civil engineering then? Course you could get Mr A Pikey and his mates to tarmac it with some of what they had left over from a job round the corner But that might result in you having to dig it up again and resurface it next year. Ideally it needs proper HRA (hot rolled asphalt) either that or bitmac both of which are expensive to lay but are durable and easy to maintain.

I doubt Mr A Pikey would be interested in doing the proper ground work to stop it being an ice rink even in a mild frost, or the proper layered drainage to ensure it doesn't flood in a light rain. Add some civils for the lights or signage

A mile of new motorway is on average£30m. If it's elevated just add a zero. If it goes underground add two zeroes.

£1 for a proper newly laid durable safe path. - Bargain.

I call BS - the groundworks are being done anyway, no groundwork is being specifically done for the cyclepath. Given the quality of work turned out by Peel, eg access paths across the canal that are too narrow for wheel chair use since more space would reduce car park spaces in their flats or concrete paths laid without compacting the hardcore so they break up in the first downpour, I'd rather have Mr A Pikey do it. FFS my daughter and her teenage mates could do better infrastructure than Peel.

CycCoSi wrote:

Come on let be realistic here, Peel Holdings are developing the area with the potential for massive profits. It's less than a mile of cyclepath, 1 million quid . Its just PR, for 1 million quid why can't Peel Holdings put a quality cycle route on it's land up the ship canal all the way from Warrington & Merseyside. This is just a giant tax break for a very well connected corporation that holds the local area to ransom if it does not get it's own way on planning permissions.

This is nothing but 'planning gain' (as we say in the trade).
This has nothing to do encouraging dockers to cycle to work - Peel and their various developments around this area are bringing increasingly more and more road traffic without actually putting in any infrastructure. The gormless council tax payers of Salford have to stump up for that. Anyway, so as to some how appease the local population who are increasingly fed up with being gridlocked on a regular basis the spineless weasels in Salford City Council have made a tiny concession and insisted that Peel help fund (not completely fund i hasten to add) this derisory bit of non vehicular infrastructure. Peel get their planning permission, Salford tick the box marked 'We are doing something, honestly we are' and the people of Irlam and Cadishead get more and more cars and lorries on their roads.
Doubles all round!

ps - (and apologies but this will mean nothing to 99% of readers) This is the same Salford City council which recently removed a cycle lane during 'improvements' to the M60 Peel Green roundabout which this route passes through. It was a pathetic bit of green pain admittedly but instead of improving cyclists movements round a very busy roundabout they actually downgraded and removed our status on the road.