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Could this bike from Pinarello and Jaguar help Bradley Wiggins win Paris-Roubaix?

Soft tail Pinarello Dogma K8-S to debut at Tour of Flanders this weekend - it's a "game changer" says Sir Bradley

“Game changing.” That’s the verdict of Sir Bradley Wiggins on a new bike developed by Jaguar in partnership with Pinarello and Team Sky that he hopes will carry him to victory a week on Sunday over the cobbles of Paris-Roubaix, his final race for the British WorldTour outfit.

Unveiled today, the Pinarello Dogma KS-8 is claimed to bolster performance over rough terrain by 4.6 per cent, and to improve rider comfort by as much as 50 per cent.

If those figures are true, it’s not so much a marginal gain ahead of two of cycling’s toughest races, but potentially a huge one, should the claim prove true on the road.

The bike's unveiling comes during what is already turning out to be a very sucessful Classics campiagn for Sky, with Ian Stannard winning the Omloop Het Nieuwsblad for the second year running, and Geraint Thomas, pictured below, taking victory in the E3 Harelbeke and a podium place at Gent-Wevelgem last Sunday, where he finished third.

The launch of the bike, which will make its competitive debut at Sunday’s Tour of Flanders, is accompanied by an unsurprisingly gushing press release.

But is it really as innovative as Sky, Pinarello and Jaguar claim?

We’re not convinced.

Before we give our take, here’s what Sky and its sponsors have to say about it.

With a frame weighing in at 900 grams – that’s the claim, at least – the Dogma K8-S is pitched as the first road bike with a “bespoke lightweight suspension system and flexible flat carbon chain stays.”

It’s said to “create a pioneering suspension pivot in the rear triangle to ensure perfect riding comfort over rough terrains,” as well as cutting the fatigue of riders, as well as insulating them from bumpy road surfaces.

That last point should be particularly appreciated by Wiggins, who has sensitive hands, and rode with three or four layers of bartape at Paris-Roubaix in 2011.

He said of the bike: “From the moment you get on it, you realise the difference straight away, especially on the cobbles.

“I’ve never ridden anything like it on cobbles before, which is the most extreme terrain you can ride a bike on. The way it feels, its aerodynamics, stiffness, and improved flex in the rear, is game-changing for cycling.

“This is the first time anyone has gone out there, looked at the demands of the cobbles, and made a bike specifically for that job. It was really noticeable in testing between the guys on the K8-S to the others that weren’t."

Wiggins, plus team mates including Geraint Thomas and Ian Stannard, will ride the bike on Sunday, and he added: “It gives us lots of confidence and a huge advantage on the cobbles.

“The level of innovation and thinking outside the box, largely down to Team Sky and the automotive expertise from Jaguar, is streets ahead of other teams and manufacturers out there.”

Pinarello CEO Fausto Pinarello claimed the new bike could “reshape the world of road racing,” while Team Sky principal Sir Dave Brailsford described it as “ground-breaking.”

He said: “We’ve been able to knit together Pinarello's world class knowledge in bike design and Jaguar's industry-leading technological and engineering expertise, with a proven winning team of riders and experts in human performance, to come up with something truly ground-breaking.

“The Dogma F8 was the first real breakthrough of this partnership, and we’ve now taken it a step further.”

He described it as “a significant jump in terms of a bike's impact of performance. It’s rare for one small design innovation to make such a large difference. This is one of those situations.”

Brailsford added: “The Classics have been a big goal for us this season and with Ian Stannard’s win at Omloop Het Nieuwsblad and Geraint’s win at E3 we’ve had a great start.

“Anything can happen in these races, which makes them so exciting, but this bike will give us the best possible chance of continuing our success.”

That’s the PR angle, but here’s our take, from road.cc tech editor, David Arthur.

Pinarello and Team Sky are using phrases like “game-changing” and “pioneering” for the new Dogma K8-S road bike, but is it all that?

Well, no, not really.

The design is essentially a soft tail, a design of bicycle that relies on flex in the chain stays to provide vertical rear wheel travel, with a small damper located at the top of the seat stays.

Trek most famously developed a prototype bike that George Hincapie used in the 2005 Paris-Roubaix, and again in 2006 – when the steerer tube snapped, ending his race.

The system offered about 12mm of travel, not much, but enough to reduce the vibrations from riding over cobbles. There were no pivots, just enough flex in the carbon fibre rear stays.

Trek quietly phased that bicycle out before it was even made available for public consumption. A similar system was available in the Trek Pilot road bike, but used a different geometry to the race bike. On the mountain bike side the Trek STP was popular, at a time when mountain bike suspension was in its infancy. 

Such bikes are still available, you can buy a Moots titanium road bike with a YBB soft tail option, which comprises a damper housed at the stop of the wishbone seat stays and, instead of pivots at the bottom bracket, relies on flex in the titanium chain stays to offer a small amount of rear wheel travel.

So the Pinarello Dogma K8-S takes an existing design and the critical thing will be how, and if, they have managed to make improvements in its application on a modern and lightweight road bike.

Most bike brands have been busy developing 'endurance' bikes designed to tame rough roads, from the extreme (Trek Domane, Specialized Roubaix) and the subtle (Cannondale Synapse, Bianchi Infinito, Giant Defy), but the new Pinarello is a step above those designs in actually employing suspension components, not just relying on flex or moving parts.

Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.

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Colin Peyresourde | 9 years ago
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Hmmm. Are the chainstays hinged? Or when compression occurs at that point do they just flex? Could mean they have a reliable shelf life.

Like GKam says there maybe a double bluff with Wiggo and G. Wiggo showed good form at the '3 days of pain'. G has definitely shown he is capable of winning and is up for the fight (where Wiggo hasn't - 'strong winds and rain you say? No, thank you'). But this may mean he is not marked, whereas G is definitely now.

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David Arthur @d... replied to Colin Peyresourde | 9 years ago
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Colin Peyresourde wrote:

Hmmm. Are the chainstays hinged? Or when compression occurs at that point do they just flex? Could mean they have a reliable shelf life.

Like GKam says there maybe a double bluff with Wiggo and G. Wiggo showed good form at the '3 days of pain'. G has definitely shown he is capable of winning and is up for the fight (where Wiggo hasn't - 'strong winds and rain you say? No, thank you'). But this may mean he is not marked, whereas G is definitely now.

They'll have a flex zone in the chainstays and seatstays. This isn't anything new.

A good example is the old Cannndale Scalpel. It took flexing carbon fibre seatstays and chainstays to new levels, with 80mm of wheel travel and used a proper air shock and rocker linkage inside the main frame. That bike proved it’s possible to have a large amount of flex in the carbon chain stays.

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antonio | 9 years ago
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I just hope that the 'vertically compliant' has been tested to destruction as the cobbles will surely provide the ultimate test.

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themartincox | 9 years ago
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Wasn't April fools on wednesday?

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bikeandy61 | 9 years ago
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Didn't Greg Lemond get bikes made with all sorts of suspension for P-R 25 years ago? In fact I think a couple of editions were won by guys on Rock Shox class machines. Gilbert Duclos Laselle?

Obviously this is an innovation on a modern lightweight, aerodynamic road machine which is to be admired. It's the PR hype BS that winds everyone up.

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daveokane | 9 years ago
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Just what would you consider 'game changing' then? Wings? Some sort of engine?
Surely a functional suspension system on a road bike (if It proves successful) is a 'game changer' for races like this and even the odd stage of the tour the way it is going.

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dave atkinson replied to daveokane | 9 years ago
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daveokane wrote:

Just what would you consider 'game changing' then? Wings? Some sort of engine?

'game changing' suggests it's something new, which this clearly isn't. either in the sense of functional suspension on a current road model (Domane) or the specific method of suspension (Trek, Moots, &c)

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daveokane replied to dave atkinson | 9 years ago
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Beg to differ. I would suggest that 'game changing' means something that changes the game. This may of course die a death like many other attempts but if not and in two years everyone is rocking a similar system I would class that to be game changing.
Surely electronic shifting was somewhat game changing as will disc brakes despite the fact that bikes could already change gear and can already stop!

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Gkam84 | 9 years ago
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Tonic Fabrication have a nice take on this and have had for years http://tonicfab.com/news/?p=725

Even if the bike is good enough, Sky are behind G for winning P-R, I think Wiggo's only chance is to ride the race alone or team up with someone, because Shane Sutton has come out and said that G's the favourite, he deserves the win...etc etc etc.

Could be smoke and mirrors so everyone marks G and Wiggo can do what they have planned, but I very much doubt it.

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