Mat has been in cycling media since 1996, on titles including BikeRadar, Total Bike, Total Mountain Bike, What Mountain Bike and Mountain Biking UK, and he has been editor of 220 Triathlon and Cycling Plus. Mat has been road.cc technical editor for over a decade, testing bikes, fettling the latest kit, and trying out the most up-to-the-minute clothing. He has won his category in Ironman UK 70.3 and finished on the podium in both marathons he has run. Mat is a Cambridge graduate who did a post-grad in magazine journalism, and he is a winner of the Cycling Media Award for Specialist Online Writer. Now over 50, he's riding road and gravel bikes most days for fun and fitness rather than training for competitions.
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The only time I'd want them is when it is wet but I could just switch out my carbons to aluminums and reduce my PSI. I'm not sold on the need but I am on the convenience.
Was quite surprised campag have gone with brembo when formula have been making disc brakes for mtb for years and are not far from campag
Will have to wait and see what they come up with
I personally dont think there ever will be one standard when it comes to disc brakes and bolt thu axles just look at bb's or seatposts for example
some manufacturers favour 140mm discs some 160mm, some prefer qr others 15/12/10mm thru axles
I know one manufacturer who says their frames wont come with a thru axle on the rear as the rear end of their frame is stiff enough as it is and it would be pointless
Im pro disc but couldn't care less if the pro peleton adopt them or not
Disc brakes work for me in the conditions i ride in and in the areas i ride in, they have saved me more than once when i know rim brakes wouldn't have stopped me in time (almost high sided a cow!!!!)
Once you have tried discs for a serious amount of mileage in all weathers then go back to calipers you realise just how good they are
My bike uses 6 bolt disc brakes with qr hubs front and back, ive tried my hardest to cause disc rub with no luck, out of the saddle, pulling the bars etc...
Even when removing the wheel to fix a puncture i just remember how many times i turned the skewer to release the wheel and do it back up the same amount and get no disc rub
Some people will be always against them, let disc brakes prove themselves in pro racing and if they don't then the nay sayers can say i told you so lol
As with any new technology (well new to road bikes anyway) things will improve, get refined and made even better
Brembo works for me, those things look awesome, Ferrari yellow plz.
Now it seems that the Flat Mount and 142mm bolt thru are the standards being pushed forward there should be some interesting things to come in the years ahead.
Campagnolo will definitely have something up their sleeves, it's naive to think the opposite, I'd hazard a guess they'll have been working with Formula to get something ready.
Having discs on my commuter I can safely say I prefer them, guaranteed consistant functionality in all weathers and can't wait to get my new road bike with hydro discs later this year. The thought of having lighter carbon rims with no heavy braking surface to delaminate is an exciting one.
Lighter rim weight is a major bonus
Go tubular. That's where you save rim weight.
Tubular disc rims, next level.
been told it is Brembo but anyway, makes more sense for Campag to buy the technology than to develop from scratch.
I have nothing against disc brakes only those that insist that they are the miracle solution to braking in the wet as if a dry braking surface somehow enhances the contact between tyre and road. A slippery road is a slippery road.
I've dealt with braking in the wet without incident for 35 years now by braking earlier and by not going out in the wet.
Also - and I realise that opinions differ on this - I think disc brakes look very ugly and clunky. If the pros need them fine but I'll choose the equivalent of an E Type Jaguar over a Range Rover every time.
Don't get me started on Campag V Shimano. I've bollocked Campag for making black brakes in recent years. Very vulgar.
I think Ali rims versus carbon in the peloton is more of an issue, disks will give carbon the breaking it needs but at what cost, wheel change unlikely full bike change yes, but how many bikes can a team support car really carry. Does disk really give you an edge against a well set up ally rimmed wheel. I put Swiss Stop blues on my ally rimmed carbon C50's massive improvement.
Bernhard Eisel has tweeted pics of his new disc equipped Dogma this morning. Can't work out how to get the pic's on to here though...
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Certain people just come across as being so desperate for disc brakes to be fundamentally flawed in some way and the excuses for not liking them are wearing thinner than a carbon rim with rim brakes! I'll leave it to the white heat of actual racing to decide if the things provide an advantage to certain riders in certain conditions and that is still only a relevant test for racing not the road riding that most of us indulge in.
They're here, they work, get over it.
Not a great analogy given carbon rim wear rate is very ,very slow and certainly slower than Aluminum!
But I agree that disc brakes have the potential to vastly improve braking esp in poor conditions, having used them on mountain bikes for some time.
I think the introduction of disc in the pro peloton is an unstoppable train and always was. It doesn't matter what you think about them, in 3 or 4 years from now you will only disc brakes and a common standard.
Personally, i have discs on 2 of my 3 road bikes and i love them to point where my caliper bike is now my turbo trainer bike and never sees tarmac. Discs are so much better for me, particularly in the wet. You can leave your braking, particularly on the front, so much later going into corners and it's where j usually ambush my caliper mates and drop 'em.
If I, as a complete bonehead amateur, can modulate my (disc) braking to co-exist with my predominantly rim-braked buddies when out on a road ride completely incident-free.
To suggest that professionals cannot do the same is demeaning and disingenuous: I ride to the conditions, my skill level and the skill level of those around me - once we're in close proximity then we all have to trust each other to do the right thing in terms of steering and braking.
Sure the pros are probably riding closer together and definitely riding faster but that's exactly because they are pros - and I'm not.
I don't think anybody said that they couldn't do it, in a racing situation those with discs will be maximising the benefit of those discs. They aren't on a club ride...
The point is that the "received wisdom" is that it will somehow cause crashes by the differentiation in braking performance - only if the riders are all gung-ho nobbers (rather than professionals).
Ha Ha Ha.
Lets all laugh at the funny foreign sounding name...
Dimwit.
Disc brakes work in CX because you have a 2-3 bike scenario for each rider. The only way to currently do a problem free swap out if you puncture is to do a whole bike swap. Can you see every team deploying 2-3 bikes per rider in the caravan? No. This is why it won't work until you can change a wheel on anyone's team bike in 5-15 seconds with no issue. *walks off*
Well, I can only speak from personal experience, but having used disc brakes and caliper brakes, and racing cyclocross and mountain bikes and road bikes and having raced in the UK and Spain and Belgium and Holland, and having ridden bikes for 30 years, I can't see that it will make any great difference to riding a bike.
Your mileage may vary, as people say...
I'm trying to work out why no one is taking issue with Team Roompot.
Team Roompot. I mean, really. Jeremy Beadle couldn't have done it better
@bikejon
You make a good point.
If the wheel is swapped like for like then there is no issue. This is where standardisation could assist.
If the hub changes the disc caliper position over the rotor centre needs resetting, due to small lateral differences on the rotor mount
@bikejon
You make a good point.
If the wheel is swapped like for like then there is no issue. This is where standardisation could assist.
If the hub changes the disc caliper position over the rotor centre needs resetting, due to small lateral differences on the rotor mount
Meh.
It's not a revolution, it's just a different way of slowing a bike down. It has been amazingly over-done on the internet but will cause very little in the way of actual change when it comes to riding a bike.
Crikey, I'm really impressed that you are in a position to be able to say that something wont have much of an impact on the professional peleton, what inside info do you have to be able to make such a confident and knowledgeable statement?
Speaking of neutral service...pity the poor mechanic trying to deal with a rubbing rotor when leaning out the side of a team car. How on earth is he supposed to do this? It takes me minutes to get mine right in a proper bike stand after swapping wheels.
I'm all for discs in other applications - commuting, winter training bikes, sportives but for me it doesn't work in the pro peloton due to the above. So I'm interested to see what happens (probably complete bike swaps).
Sounds like you need to employ some thin spacer washers to get the discs consistently aligned on all your wheels, will save lots of faff. I do see your point though, the tolerances are much closer so I suspect it could cause problems in that narrow field. Personally I wouldn't buy a bike without disc brakes now but then I'm not a pro or a road racer and I couldn't particularly give a monkeys if they use them or not.
That's true to an extent, thin shims could correct minor variations in hub dishing between wheels, but that's not the only factor in play.
Some calipers are worse than others, but the clearance when fully open is usually razor thin compared to rim-pad clearance, so even changing the skewer tension on the same wheel can have a deleterious effect.
It's only a matter of time until they get the technology dialled though and I'm looking forward to it, unlike some of the luddites here!
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