Simon joined road.cc as news editor in 2009 and is now the site’s community editor, acting as a link between the team producing the content and our readers. A law and languages graduate, published translator and former retail analyst, he has reported on issues as diverse as cycling-related court cases, anti-doping investigations, the latest developments in the bike industry and the sport’s biggest races. Now back in London full-time after 15 years living in Oxford and Cambridge, he loves cycling along the Thames but misses having his former riding buddy, Elodie the miniature schnauzer, in the basket in front of him.
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@felixcat I would submit this is not the place for you to raise pedantic issues of interpretation, especially when you're misquoting things. Start a thread in the forum if you must please. Thoughts go to the family and friends.
I have explained why I don't think the question is of pedantry. The wording does have an implication of blame in the accident which is unwarranted.
I did not quote anything, let alone misquote. Perhaps you refer to the example I use to illustrate my point. I deliberately chose an example which could not refer to the incident which killed the cyclist. I wanted to avoid any possible misinterpretation or ambiguity.
I notice you repeat your nod towards the conventional expression of sympathy to the family and friends. My mother died very recently and I must say I find these messages very little consolation, even when they are from those who knew my mother. I would find them utterly irrelevant when from unknown internet commenters.
The phrase "collided with a lorry" does contain assumptions and implications.
If you disagree, consider this:
A car collides with a wall. Would it make equal sense to say the wall collided with the car? Would any reporter phrase it that way round?
I think Gus is right. The implication is that the cyclist ran into the lorry, and the report contains no other reason to suppose that the lorry did not run into the cyclist. The distinction is more than pedantry.
RIP.
Now I'm going to put my pedants hat on, the whole phrasology of the article is following the usual victim blaming process before the investigation has really started "following a collision with a lorry". This very phrase implies that he collided with the lorry. If a cycling website can't use neutral phrasing what chance has the rest of the press got.
For goodness sake! What on earth are you on about?
Pedant indeed.
Condolences to the poor chap's family & friends.