Team Sky "confident no wrongdoing" over allegations against Wiggins

kcr wrote:

I haven't read the DM article. I assume this has to have been an internal source, or there is no way anyone would have known about delivery of "a package"?

The exact phrase was "a suspicious package"

How the feck anyone knows it was ssuspicious i shudder to think.

Strangely Tienan Lock used suspicious in his BBC interview, but i don't think he was part of the Dauphine squad.

Sounds like a bitter ex member of Sky or BC, and fed the story to the Fail when the Wiggins TUE story broke. If was some truth to this story, why release it now?

In that year Wiggo and team Sky riders would have had multiple dope tests, so if they had taken something from this supisous package and used it, then there would have been some positive tests?

I see from tonights BBC news that UKAD officers visited BC yesterday, bet that was a big surprise . If there was any evidence, it'd have been destroyed , given the story was in open source news.  If the Fail thought it was true, why release it before Ukad raided BC's HQ?

The_Vermonter wrote:

The utter lack of nuance in this discussion is hilarious. It is nearly impossible to know, or prove, if Sky/Wiggins/GB/Brailsford acted dishonestly or, more importantly, illegally. To speak in absolutes is disingenuous. Furthermore, it raises the question of what is a "marginal gain" and where is the line and how fine is that line into cheating or doping? With this being said, the assertion that what Brad Wiggins did was to put himself on back on an "even playing field" is too similar to the defense made of Lance Armstrong using drugs after surviving cancer.

 

Obviously, the difference in the two is one used a legal avenue to use drugs where the other colluded with the UCI and deceived many, albeit gullible, fans.

 

To conclude my rant, I would say this but also pose a question: if you feel aggrieved by what you perceive to be an abuse of the TUE program, then call for change. But where does it end? If a cyclist has trained their whole season only to be undone by illness or injury, should all their work and sacrifice be for nothing? 

re the 'level playing field' argument, I think that's an unfortunate consequence of Lance's defence.  I would think WADA's rationale for TUEs would probably include a similar phrase.

notfastenough wrote:

The_Vermonter wrote:

The utter lack of nuance in this discussion is hilarious. It is nearly impossible to know, or prove, if Sky/Wiggins/GB/Brailsford acted dishonestly or, more importantly, illegally. To speak in absolutes is disingenuous. Furthermore, it raises the question of what is a "marginal gain" and where is the line and how fine is that line into cheating or doping? With this being said, the assertion that what Brad Wiggins did was to put himself on back on an "even playing field" is too similar to the defense made of Lance Armstrong using drugs after surviving cancer.

 

Obviously, the difference in the two is one used a legal avenue to use drugs where the other colluded with the UCI and deceived many, albeit gullible, fans.

 

To conclude my rant, I would say this but also pose a question: if you feel aggrieved by what you perceive to be an abuse of the TUE program, then call for change. But where does it end? If a cyclist has trained their whole season only to be undone by illness or injury, should all their work and sacrifice be for nothing? 

re the 'level playing field' argument, I think that's an unfortunate consequence of Lance's defence.  I would think WADA's rationale for TUEs would probably include a similar phrase.

The very premise of a TUE program is for that reason which I think gives people a bad feeling. I don't think there are any rights or wrongs in this situation based on the information we currently have. I just hope 10-15 years down the line, we aren't discussing this in Brad Wiggins'/Sky/GB cycling's legacy.

I also am of the belief that British sport fans 1.) Get off on tearing-down stars and 2.) Are a but naive as it pertains to drugs. Sadly, these two passtimes have combined into what we see now.