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'Cycle lane sceptic' MP objects to characterisation of logistics sector as "evil, diesel fume-belching demonic brotherhood"

Says bikes cannot replace other forms of delivery

A Transport Select Committee member has suggested that cycle lanes may exacerbate urban congestion on the grounds that bikes cannot do a significant proportion of the jobs currently undertaken by HGVs and vans.

Rob Flello – who is chair of the All-Party Parliamentary Group on Freight Transport – announced the launch of a government inquiry into urban congestion last week and suggested that “loss of tarmac” for cycle lanes could be a major cause of London’s congestion problems.

The Stoke-on-Trent South MP, whose entry in the Register of Members' interests shows donations from the Road Haulage Association, claims he was misrepresented in some quarters as being ‘anti-cycle lanes’ when he would describe himself as merely a ‘cycle lane-sceptic’.

Flello says his three concerns are as follows:

  • If tarmac formerly used by vehicles is underused by bikes does that in turn cause greater congestion and pollution?
  • Why is it that as traffic volume has been falling in London congestion is getting worse?
  • Can cycles ever do a significant proportion of the jobs currently undertaken by HGVs and vans, and if not, are their reserved lanes essentially creating more of a need for more of those larger vehicles?

Citing Cambridge, where around half the population cycles at least once a week, he says: “Anyone who’s ever tried to negotiate that beautiful city by car or by public transport will not be surprised to learn that it is officially one of the most congested places in the country.”

He added: “If half the population makes at least one journey a week on bikes and congestion is still going through the roof, the transfer to two wheels clearly hasn’t solved many problems.  Of course, it might be that if they didn’t do that everything would be even worse, but the point is that while bikes may be an element of the solution to the congestion problem they’re not an answer on their own.”

Speaking to the Independent, Roger Geffen OBE, policy director at Cycling UK, responded:

"Cycling is a highly efficient way to use road-space – a typical traffic lane can accommodate 2,000 cars per hour, or 14,000 bicycles.

“Cycle lanes won’t be used all the time, in the same way that outbound traffic lanes and outbound public transport services aren’t heavily used during the morning. That doesn’t mean they are inefficient: far from it. Nor are they adding to congestion and pollution.

“On the contrary, congestion and pollution are both greatly reduced compared to what we’d have if all those people were travelling by cars, taxis or buses.”

Flello’s main gripe, however, appears to be the bashing of the logistics sector as, “some kind of evil, diesel fume-belching demonic brotherhood, intent on choking our streets and our children’s lungs in pursuit of undeserved wealth.”

He takes issue with the findings of a 2015 report carried out by the European Cycling Logistics Federation which claimed that about a quarter of all motorised trips in the area of deliveries and more than half of all motorised private and commercial trips associated with the transport of goods can be shifted to cargo bikes.

After questioning the capabilities of cargo bikes as well as the organisation’s definition of ‘transport of goods,’ he goes on to say that, “the men (and sadly somewhat fewer women) who drive vans and lorries through our cities do so because we need them to.  If you’ve ever bought anything from a city shop, cafe, restaurant or warehouse, ever had anything delivered to your door or had building work done, you are part of the problem.”

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fullupandslowingdown | 7 years ago
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Simple, if cyclists are soooooo slooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww, that they hold up traffic and cause congestion, how do they manage to catch up with all these poor cars at lights anyway...

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gmac101 | 7 years ago
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According to Tories (generally) private industry is always innovative, forward thinking and eager to exploite new opportunities and that's why they succeed.  Or is that not true and they are more often than not hidebound behemoths who can't be bothered to change in case it upsets the trough they've got their face stuck in? mmmm?

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burtthebike replied to gmac101 | 7 years ago
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gmac101 wrote:

According to Tories (generally) private industry is always innovative, forward thinking and eager to exploite new opportunities and that's why they succeed.  Or is that not true and they are more often than not hidebound behemoths who can't be bothered to change in case it upsets the trough they've got their face stuck in? mmmm?

You're right of course, and it is normally the tories with their snouts in the trough, but I've just google Flello, Robert, and he's labour!

Aren't there any of his constituents reading road.cc who might like to have a word or two with him?

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kitsunegari | 7 years ago
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He's not wrong in saying that Bikes are not the only solution to the problem.

They are however a good start.

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brooksby | 7 years ago
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“some kind of evil, diesel fume-belching demonic brotherhood, intent on choking our streets and our children’s lungs in pursuit of undeserved wealth.” - I have to admit, I'd thought that was  politicians in general...    Although in all fairness, few if any politicians actually belch diesel fumes.

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davel | 7 years ago
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Exactly

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The Rake | 7 years ago
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Yet another MP/person with a platform missing the point entirely. As an example, cyclists don't cause the congestion, but highlight it. Cambridge is congested because there are too many vehicles in too small a space. The roads around and through Cambridge simply aren't built for it. They could knock down the centuries old buildings to make space, but then they may see a proportionate drop off in cars and coaches wanting to go there. Make a choice. Use the park and ride.

Same goes for the lets-look-at-the-view-from-the-top-of-the-hill-through-a-windscreen drivers. They go there because it is a peaceful beauty spot and the moan about the Lycra terrorists who go there for similar reasons. Don't drive because it cease to be peaceful, and will cease to be beautiful when years of fumes and KFC boxes strangle everything.

as for a London, there is simply no need whatsoever for a personal vehicle to be in the centre. This is the cause of the congestion. Get the train/tube/bus/riverboat and stop thinking you are too important to mingle with the plebs on public transport. Limit it to taxis, buses, and some vans.

and another thing, people who vote by post because......

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harman_mogul replied to The Rake | 7 years ago
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The Rake wrote:

London, there is simply no need whatsoever for a personal vehicle to be in the centre.

The issue under discussion here is freight distribution, not personal transportation.

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beezus fufoon replied to harman_mogul | 7 years ago
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harman_mogul wrote:

The Rake wrote:

London, there is simply no need whatsoever for a personal vehicle to be in the centre.

The issue under discussion here is freight distribution, not personal transportation.

and by the same token - why would "the convenience of mail-order deliveries to our home" be a factor in the centre of a city?

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ianrobo replied to harman_mogul | 7 years ago
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harman_mogul wrote:

The Rake wrote:

London, there is simply no need whatsoever for a personal vehicle to be in the centre.

The issue under discussion here is freight distribution, not personal transportation.

 

it is all the same which is basically unnecessary journeys where things can be done more efficiently. 

I know people are scared of progress but you can not stop it.

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harman_mogul | 7 years ago
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Well, democracy is the interplay of sectoral interests so it's hardly corrupt! Many of us believe Flello is wrong and the RHA living in the past, but do not think in the same moment of the convenience of mail-order deliveries to our home (indeed, Wiggle!), or the vastly increased number of private-hire vehicles and small-medium trade vans that obviate the need of private-car ownership. Even if we do our own shopping, we still expect the supermarket to have full shelves at all times. This applies specifically to London but is no doubt also the case in other large cities. 

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ianrobo replied to harman_mogul | 7 years ago
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harman_mogul wrote:

Well, democracy is the interplay of sectoral interests so it's hardly corrupt! Many of us believe Flello is wrong and the RHA living in the past

so there is no link between what he is paid for (why on earth do we even allow these 'donations' and his views which matches exactly that of the RHA ?

If he agreed with them then no need to get paid eh ?

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davel replied to harman_mogul | 7 years ago
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harman_mogul wrote:

Well, democracy is the interplay of sectoral interests so it's hardly corrupt!

Eh? How does that negate the vested interests of a politician conducting a congestion inquiry while being on the payroll of a transport sector lobbyist?

If that influences Flello at all, and it appears from the above quotes that it could well be doing just that, while he maintains the claim of objectivity, it is the very definition of corruption.

If he's open about his vested interests and accepts his inquiry will be influenced then the inquiry is compromised.

Either way, I can't see how someone in the pay of lobbyists is a suitable head for the inquiry.

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ConcordeCX replied to davel | 7 years ago
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davel wrote:
harman_mogul wrote:

Well, democracy is the interplay of sectoral interests so it's hardly corrupt!

Eh? How does that negate the vested interests of a politician conducting a congestion inquiry while being on the payroll of a transport sector lobbyist? If that influences Flello at all, and it appears from the above quotes that it could well be doing just that, while he maintains the claim of objectivity, it is the very definition of corruption. If he's open about his vested interests and accepts his inquiry will be influenced then the inquiry is compromised. Either way, I can't see how someone in the pay of lobbyists is a suitable head for the inquiry.

he was elected to represent his constituents, not some other body which pays him to represent them.

 

 

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brooksby replied to ConcordeCX | 7 years ago
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ConcordeCX wrote:

he was elected to represent his constituents, not some other body which pays him to represent them.

Exactly.  Even if one is generous and doesn't call it out as "corruption", it is still one heck of a conflict of interest and if he had any scrap of decency he would step down from his position on the committee.  But of course he might then find that the Road Haulage Association was less willing to help him in funding his parliamentary duties...

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ianrobo | 7 years ago
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of course in city centres as some delivery companies do now you should be using electric lorries etc ... in fact it is far cheaper ... 

again this is a case of an MP being corrupted to put forward a POV which is dying (literally for some people) out because of the way we now change. 

Small deliveries should be done by bikes, walking, meduim by bikes or electric vans and anything big out of hours before 6AM or after 8PM 

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beezus fufoon | 7 years ago
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Lello "il monello" says, "Can cycles ever do a significant proportion of the jobs currently undertaken by HGVs and vans, and if not, are their reserved lanes essentially creating more of a need for more of those larger vehicles?"

the logic of this sentence eludes me - why would increased cycle lane use create an increase in demand for delivered goods?

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PaulBox replied to beezus fufoon | 7 years ago
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beezus fufoon wrote:

the logic of this sentence eludes me - why would increased cycle lane use create an increase in demand for delivered goods?

Wiggle deliveries...

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ianrobo | 7 years ago
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Interesting at PMQ's today May confirm all govt cars switching from diesel to Hybrid.

Now I am doing the same shortly because of the weight of evidence against diesels yet her govt put up VED for Hybrids, talk about messed up thinking.

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P3t3 | 7 years ago
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But they ARE "evil, diesel fume-belching "!

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PaulBox | 7 years ago
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Or Corruption  1

 

Dirty b@stard, is this the swamp that Trumpy keeps going on about?

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ianrobo | 7 years ago
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Of course what we have, is an MP in a position of some power on a SC being paid by the RHA when he should be independent of influences and judging on the basis of evidence presented.

Lets call it what it is - bribery

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ianrobo | 7 years ago
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handlebarcam | 7 years ago
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Busted. No other comment is really necessary. Except perhaps to provide the URL for citation.

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ianrobo | 7 years ago
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TBF he is corrupted by his vested interests, this is the MP's registered interests as of Jan 2017, please amend article to show who pays the piper calls the tune

 

Flello, Robert (Stoke-on-Trent South)

Flello, Robert (Stoke-on-Trent South)

2. (b) Any other support not included in Category 2(a)

Name of donor: Road Haulage Association
Address of donor: Roadway House, Bretton Way, Bretton, Peterborough PE3 8DD
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: salary and national Insurance contributions of around £16,000 pa to be provided for an intern in my Parliamentary office in relation to my duties as Chair APPG Freight Transport and to support me in my work on the Transport Select Committee, from 10 June 2015 until August 2016
Date received: 10 June 2015
Date accepted: 10 June 2015
Donor status: company, registration 391886
(Registered 01 July 2015; updated 27 July 2016)

Name of donor: Road Haulage Association
Address of donor: Roadway House, Bretton Way, Bretton, Peterborough PE3 8DD
Amount of donation or nature and value if donation in kind: salary and national Insurance contributions of around £3,500 pa for the provision of staff time to support my Parliamentary office in relation to my duties as Chair APPG Freight Transport and to support me in my work on the Transport Select Committee, from 1 September 2016
Date received: 1 July 2016
Date accepted: 1 July 2016
Donor status: company, registration 391886
(Registered 27 July 2016)

 

 

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