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A simple idea for cyclists to voluntary state they're careful, consensus and insured road users by wearing HiVis vests with an unique registration number.

I suppose that's almost a sentence and I think I can decipher what he means but it would help if he could write something that at least approximates correct grammar and spelling. None of us are perfect but i can't help thinking the only thing this guy successfully managed at school was to eat his lunch.

The twat in a black range rover last night with his three year daughter didn't look before pulling out, then when I threw my arm up in disgust he reversed out the road and drove right up in an agressive manner. 

When I challenged him - bloke in his late 20s/early 30s,  babbled on about hi vis, where's yours I said, you haven't got any have you, I've got a bright front light AND reflectives ... "I didn't see you" it said, well bother to actually look or is it that you saw me but thought I'll still pull out anyways. He starting effing and blinding in front of his daughter, "you're a properly special dad aren't you" I sez, "drive like an idiot and swear in front of your child". So he tries to intimidate me more and I just cycle at 3mph towards Tesco.

He only had another 30m to get home, I know this as he came down from the initial turn to try initinidate me and the second turning goes back in a small loop so his motor was a standout amongst the others on that row (I cycle past it 3 times a week), he deliberately came back around to threaten me after he'd already pulled out on me, so, he might have got a little visit from the puncture fairies last night ... How'd you like them apples cunt face!

'Cyclist injured as thieves try to steal bike...'

Christ.  You mean there are still some cyclists who go about unarmed?

The picture you have used to promote the Live Blog, the one with the full ASL, must be a bad photoshop fake.  You have filled it with stock images of cyclists, whom we all know NEVER stop at red lights

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A simple idea for cyclists to voluntary state they're careful, consensus and insured road users by wearing HiVis vests with an unique registration number.

Because that works so well for motorists, doesn't it? 

As a Wolves fan then you clearly missed the chance to photoshop Hugh and the Wolves cycling jersey together that Andy Tennant was modelling recently to make it even more cycling related

However whilst on the subject of football is it worth posing the question how much space at Spurs new super modern high tech stadium that cost nearly 1billion pounds has set aside for new cycle parking,let alone offering secure cycle facilities...go on guess

99.9% of Roadcc readers are considerate road users but would be concerned about the additional weight a feline would contribute if it impacted their Strava KOMs.

Of our two cats Salem weighs 5kg and little Lilly is only just over 2kg but thats still more than the weight of two full bottles.  Carrying both would nearly be the same weight as the bike.

Good luck to Dean & Nala their journeys.  I know it's the distance and not the speed, and how you travel is more important sometimes than the destination etc etc...

Are they the same.two thirds who are surprised when a rider appears out of nowhere?

https://road.cc/content/news/258481-two-thirds-drivers-are-surprised-whe...

100% of cyclists don't give a shit what drivers think !

As a Man Utd supporter, can we please not mention Wolves for a few days at least?

Thanks.

The trouble here is that the obscure website motor1.com doesn't present us with the whole report.
Without knowing what "motorists" feel about other groups, such as "other car drivers", "lollipop people", "children walking to school", "pedestrians darting between cars", unmarked white van drivers", etc., etc. this 93% has no context. It may represent no more than their own perception of themselves as infallible uber-motorists, with everyone else seen as bumbling fools.
So where can we read the AA Charitable Trust report? Oh, do I have to search for it?

What is the context of the survey? Do 66% of drivers think that all cyclists are inconsiderate, that some cyclists are inconsiderate, that cyclists in general are occasionally inconsiderate, that they have actually witnessed inconsiderate behavior by a cyclist; ever, in the last year, last week? Is the inconsiderate behaviour of a specified nature? E.g; Riding at speed on crowded pavements, parking bikes in ambulance bays, no lighting after dark, jumping red lights, kids messing about in a residential street etc or is it a nebulous personal assessment of cyclists doing things that may be completely legal such as a group of cyclists riding 2 abreast, or seeing a cyclist filtering past traffic or for some just the sight of a cyclist on the road.

How do cyclists compare with other recognised road user groups? For example taxi, bus or HGV drivers, horse riders, motorcyclists etc?

This headline figure is utterly meaningless.

I think it is useful, not for what it says about cyclists, but for what it says about the public's view of cyclists.

There is widespread prejudice against cyclist, based on psychological projection. We are considered "inconsiderate" even though we are doing things that make sense to us, and that might be perfectly legal (the old 2-abreast issue). But we are inconsiderate because we are seen as illegitimate users of the road.

I don't think it makes sense to ask if cyclists (or motorists) are inconsiderate: the question clumps a whole group of people into one and of course some of those will not be considerate. If you have to answer yes or no, it just becomes a case of "which kind of wrong do you want to be?"

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93% of respondents said they always look out for cyclists, which is an increase on the 89% who said so from a survey five years ago.

93% said that they always look out for cyclists.  Its not 93% always look out for cyclists. 

And I agree with others here - what exactly is an "inconvenience"?  That could simply mean that Captain Gammon responded to the AA, "Dammit I had to slow from 60, this one time!"

100% of cyclists know that drivers are inconsiderate....

"93% of respondents said they always look out for cyclists, which is an increase on the 89% who said so from a survey five years ago."

So the percentage of drivers lying or deluded about their driving standards has increased over five years. I commend the 7% for at least being honest.

What does "inconsiderate" mean? Is it because they take up enough space to inconvenience a driver such as riding in secondary or two abreast and won't bumble along in the gutter? I'm as considerate when on my bike as in my car.

This attitude is the result of years (decades) of drivers being told they somehow have a greater 'right' to the road when it's simply not true. Blame for this rests with car adverts and the media and I'd suggest that the media - overpaid jerks on TV as well as pompous columnists in the press - is the place where change is needed most.

And I suspect most will jump on the "inconsiderate" for their clickbait headlines, as the press release has done - it's on motor1, Yahoo news and road.cc have done it too here.